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Sarah Palin's Daughter's Motherhood

Original post made by A Boomer on Jan 3, 2009

Stuff happens with families. Teenage pregancy is one of them.

Sarah Palin seems to have a moral compass as long as it does not apply to her family. News stories today about whether her daughter and the father of her grandaugher will graduate from high school or try to get jobs instead.

Palin to her credit is being very supportive of her unwed teeneage daughter and the child she just delivered.

But what the hell does this say about Sarah Palin's ability to provide in the future a set of guideposts and beacons around the future of this country.

I called her a bottle rocket months ago. I called her a nasty high school cheerleader type months ago. This woman has a dystunctional family, displayed a lack of curiosity and understanding of matters beyond Alaska, let alone insight of same.

I cannot believe she will have any traction after another few months. A flash in the Palin pan.

Comments (46)

Posted by Greg K, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 3, 2009 at 6:04 pm

Sarah who?


Posted by Lipstick, a resident of Stanford
on Jan 3, 2009 at 6:24 pm

When Palin was asked about the crisis in the Mideast, she replied that she did not realize that Kansas and Iowa were at war with each other and when asked about Hamas, she replied that in Alaska they eat real American food, not ground up chick peas.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 4, 2009 at 9:57 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Boomer, do you believe that Palin instructed her daughter that it was all right for her to have premarital sex,or is it possible that the sex occurred in spite of parental advice to the contrary? I have seen no evidence Palin advocated out of wedlock sex.
Greg K - Greg who?
Lipstick - The Palin who negotiated the agreement with Canada to route the pipeline through their country? Or the Palin parody on some comedy program?
Three Jokers in one deal. Pathetically interesting.


Posted by Lipstick, a resident of Stanford
on Jan 4, 2009 at 10:11 am

The Palin who "negotiated" this deal:


Web Link

Web Link


Posted by realistic, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jan 4, 2009 at 1:05 pm



Boomer,

you sound very angry, I hope bashing Palin makes you feel better

Your generation is the one that had to give up a lot to get ahead, marriage, children, or if you had the marriage and children, you had to give up a career.

Palin is of the generation that has it all, and that's not easy either. She has the career, the kids, is a happy grandmother now. You call that dysfunctional, I call it life.

As for curiosity, I think Palin has plenty, I admire her accomplishments, her drive. Plenty of intellectuals and curious types out there that are complete do nothings. As for moral compass, I'll take Governor Palin's any day compared to what's been going on on Wall St, which is really hurting a lot of people.

I say there will never be a perfect woman, not even Caroline Kennedy.






Posted by A Boomer, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 4, 2009 at 2:00 pm

Realistic,

My two college age children are very fine and well adjusted people, born when their mother was in one of the professional schools at Stanford. I think I know a bit about partnering with a woman who has abilities that will be of benefit beyond the household and helps a woman actualize her potential.

I share your disdain for the MBA BS that Wall St., et al, had led to. I have an MBA myself from a top tier place, and I am revulsed by the hubris that personofies many whom I attended school with, some names I will not mention, but are part of the news these past 18 months.

[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]

I have given Palin credit in prior postings for some of her accomplishments. I stand by my observation that she displays a lack of inate curiosity, and a limited intellectual approach to dealing with issues. Accomplishing things does not mean one is curious.


Posted by realistic, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jan 4, 2009 at 2:58 pm

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Posted by realistic, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jan 4, 2009 at 3:09 pm



by the way Boomer,

could you please make the connection between Sarah Palin's daughter's motherhood and Palin's "lack of inate curiosity, and a limited intellectual approach to dealing with issues"?



Posted by A Boomer, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 4, 2009 at 4:05 pm

Palin is a public figure, and her resume is open to public scrutiny. Each component of her resume does not have to connect to others.

I see the various components of her public pronouncements while running for VEEP, her disastrous interviews with several national media, and her family matters as an indication that she is not someone who merits greater responsibilities. This is not a person who provides the type of character that is needed for national office, where setting a good example is a key part of the job.

I give her credit for standing by her daughter, although the notion of the daughter dropping out of high school leaves me troubled. What are those conversations all about?

All that said, she is a bottle rocket, and will be out of the scene in short order, unlikely to achieve again the sort of prominence she was given by McCain during the campaign last year.


Posted by realistic, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Jan 4, 2009 at 6:29 pm



I'm sure she'll be ok, we should all be so lucky to enjoy our own grandchildren someday, I'd take that over Veep any day!


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 4, 2009 at 6:38 pm

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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 4, 2009 at 8:26 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Unlike Gore, who single handed invented the internet, Palin was just a major impetus in the drive to get the pipeline process off dead center.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 4, 2009 at 9:30 pm

The Palins are just another liberal hippie commune family that believes in free love. So what?.


Posted by Bob, a resident of another community
on Jan 4, 2009 at 10:03 pm

What is it about Sarah Palin that gets so deeply under the skin of liberals? We're 2 months past the election, and still seeing all this obsessive sniping and belittling of Palin ... and most if it is of a sophomoric silly personal nature. Are those who feel compelled to comment on Palin's family life or choice of lipstick really just trying to cover up for their own shortcomings? All of this makes me think that whatever problems Palin might have, her sniveling critics are in far worse shape.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 5, 2009 at 8:41 am

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"The Palins are just another liberal hippie commune family that believes in free love....."
Roughneck dad, career Mom - they just don't make hippies like they used to.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 5, 2009 at 12:40 pm

"Roughneck dad, career Mom - they just don't make hippies like they used to."

Dad's neck rough with beard, mom working, kids out of control. Sounds like classic over-the-top stereotype hippies to me.



Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 6, 2009 at 7:55 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Paul, a roughneck is an oilfield worker, and working and hippie are antithetical. You may well join the minority of PA readers who need a thesaurus to comprehend learned writings.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 6, 2009 at 10:50 am

"Paul, a roughneck is an oilfield worker, and working and hippie are antithetical"

As the son of a south Texas roughneck I know what an authentic roughneck is. But we're talking about the working-mom free-love sex before marriage hippie "family" from Wasilla Alaska here.



Posted by Gift that keeps on giving, a resident of South of Midtown
on Jan 6, 2009 at 11:06 am

Today there is a story about the daughter's boy friend, he has "quit" his job as an apprentice. Seems you have to have a high school diploma to be an electrical apprentice and he hasn't finished high school. (it is his mother who is up on drug charges)
Palin is just a gift that keeps on giving.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jan 6, 2009 at 11:19 am

Walter,

Gore never said he "single handed" invented the Internet. He said he was involved in the key legislation that led to its creation. And guess what? He was.

Stupid, petty campaign smear job. A shame, too--because we'd be in better shape if Gore had become president.

As for Palin and her daughter had more melanin in their skin, we'd be hearing a whole different story about "family values" and whether Sarah Palin's a good mother. I hope, frankly, that the daughter has enough sense *not* to marry the boyfriend, who's clearly not ready to be a responsible father.


Posted by Susan, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 6, 2009 at 11:57 am

Let's see...Sarah Palin's daughter's boyfriend's mother used dope. Our presient-elect used dope, and is still addicted to nicotine.

Hmmm...does that mean that Sarah Palin is better than the doper who is now our P-E?


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 6, 2009 at 12:23 pm

"Hmmm...does that mean that Sarah Palin is better than the doper who is now our P-E?"

Or the E-P dope who's leaving?



Posted by but seriously, a resident of College Terrace
on Jan 6, 2009 at 1:50 pm

Susan, as far as anyone knows, our president elect doesn't currentl use dope, he was never in a DUI that had the records sealed for no clear reason, and he did not deal it, which is what Palin's co-grandma did. And there is that niggling question now surfacing about whether the investigation was slowed because Maa Palin was running for VP.

Let's just draw a curtain on this whole, unfortunate family and breathe a sigh of relief that this farce is not playing out on the international stage while Palin is tasked with diplomatic relations with world leaders.


Posted by Susan, a resident of Monroe Park
on Jan 6, 2009 at 2:51 pm

Are there any other current world leaders who admit to using cocaine?


Posted by but seriously, a resident of College Terrace
on Jan 6, 2009 at 3:19 pm

Hm. It's a well known fact that Bush was a coke user in his party days, and by that I do not mean college but when he was in his 30s. Any other world leaders who can say that?


Posted by but seriously, a resident of College Terrace
on Jan 6, 2009 at 3:27 pm

Correction: in his 20s. Also, i is a well known fact that he is an alcoholic. Pot, meet kettle.


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 6, 2009 at 3:48 pm

Sarah Palin and her husband have a stable relationship, a strong marriage, a loving family and like the rest of us, have a few family members who may have made a mistake here or there. I wonder how many of us would come up squeaky clean if our lives and the lives of our close family were put under the magnifying glass. It seems that many political leaders get into problems when the magnifying glass is viewed around them. Sarah may or may not have been a worthy candidate, but she is no different than any one of us who have a family except that she was and still is in the public arena.

Personally, I feel that we should not throw stones at others when we know that in our own lives there are many skeletons which we would not like to come to light. Bravo to those who choose to become as visible as Sarah did, even when they know there are mistakes to be broadcast and criticised by those who have made the same sort of mistakes themselves.


Posted by Susan, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 6, 2009 at 4:00 pm

"It's a well known fact that Bush was a coke user in his party days"

It is? What is the proof, other than rumors?

We do know, for a fact, that Barack Obama used coke. He said so in his own book.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 6, 2009 at 6:00 pm

"Bravo to those who choose to become as visible as Sarah did, even when they know there are mistakes to be broadcast and criticised by those who have made the same sort of mistakes themselves."

And criticized by those who have NOT made those same mistakes. Many peoples' daughters do not get preggers before marriage, you know.

Sarah Palin chose to become visible in an aggressive in-your-face manner (remember pit bulls and lipstick?). She wasn't courageous; she was (and is) supremely arrogant. Cheer Palin for that if you wish, but spare us the whining about the non-sinners who cast that first stone.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 6, 2009 at 6:06 pm

"We do know, for a fact, that Barack Obama used coke. He said so in his own book."

Yeah, yeah. And Newt Gingrich confessed to smoking pot. And William F. Buckley famously used to sail his yacht beyond US territorial waters for some high times. So what?


Posted by bob, a resident of another community
on Jan 6, 2009 at 6:18 pm

This is quite amazing to me.

Is there no limit to this Palin-obsession? The election is over. Palin's side lost. You'd think the winners would be able to move on. But obviously, many cannot when it comes to Palin. What is the source of Palin's hold on the subconscious of liberals that renders them incapable of letting go of this matter - and apparently devoid of rational thought? Does it really make those of you making catty remarks about Palin's daughter's boyfriend's mother, etc. feel better - or superior? I really don't get it.

I thought the conservatives who spent 8 years dreaming up conspiracy theories about the Clintons took the prize for paranoid mean ugly politics...but they were rank amateurs compared to some people.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 6, 2009 at 10:39 pm

Look - I'm only responding to Palinites' hystrionics and having a little fun with their hypocrisy. What's wrong with that?


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 7, 2009 at 2:24 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Well, the barefoot/pregnant advocates seem to have taken to the field.


Posted by Buster, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 7, 2009 at 10:40 am

Ironic that this time the advocates are conservative Republicans. Fine with me. The next time they get all righteous about a liberal's conduct we can point at their two-sidedness. Maybe that's what's behind the continued Palin bashing. They're bating the Republicans for future fodder.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 9, 2009 at 1:47 pm

"Is there no limit to this Palin-obsession?"

Take a clue. Even Sarah Palin is still obsessed with Sarah Palin: Web Link


Posted by but seriously, a resident of College Terrace
on Jan 9, 2009 at 2:42 pm

Yes, Sarah, it absolutely IS a class issue. The majority of Americans have not reached the point where they want to be represented internationally by an undereducated person of average intelligence and limited world view. Thank God. It would be great if even more people thought their president and vice president should be MORE qualified than the average Joe on the street. I don't want Joe running the country. I don't want to run it myself either. I want someone who is qualified to do so. And Gary, I know we differ here, but I do happen to believe that Obama and Biden are qualified.

"Is it political? Is it sexism?" she asked. "What is it that drives someone to believe the worst and perpetuate the worst in terms of gossip and lies?" Well gee whiz, Sarah, I dunno. Maybe you could enlighten us since that was your MO and certainly what you asked your constituents to believe about Barack Obama.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 9, 2009 at 3:38 pm

but seriously,

Sarah Palin is so much MORE experienced that BHO. She also has strong convictions and beliefs, unlike Obama, His Emptiness, who has his finger into the political winds at all times. He defines the empty suit. You have been taken in by his scripted articulateness. You may also have bought into the fact that he is black.

BHO is SO inexperienced that he is likely to take us down the path of JFK, who almost got us all killed. Ask Joe Biden.


Posted by Marvin, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jan 9, 2009 at 3:45 pm

Give us a break, Gary. Another bashing of Obama? Don't you ever get tired of spewing your unsubstantiated crap?
You basically show that you have nothing of importance to say by singing the praises of Palin!!! She is more experienced in what? she showed how utterly unprepared she was for national leadership and how clueless she was about world affairs during the campaign. Now she is on a whining tour--complaining how she was mistreated.
Come on Gary--give some real facts about Obama--not your continuous repition of "his emptiness" and "empty suit". Or better yet, why not give him a chance as president.
Is your pathological hatred of Obama due to the fact that he is african-american?


Posted by Amused, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 9, 2009 at 4:08 pm

heheh, Gary, your true colors are showing. It appears you've bought into the fact that Sarah's female.

You know, she watched the SNL skits without the sound and thought they were funny. (How can you appreciate SNL without sound??) Now that she's shown what her character was saying, she's not so amused. Maybe you should take her cue and listen to her words without the video. You might be as unimpressed as the rest of us.


Posted by Amused, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 9, 2009 at 4:11 pm

Oops, I posted as Buster above. Now I'm Amused, Buster and Busted.


Posted by Bob, a resident of another community
on Jan 9, 2009 at 4:42 pm

"Give us a break, Gary. Another bashing of Obama? Don't you ever get tired of spewing your unsubstantiated crap?"

In Gary's defense, Obama is about to be president. It's a well worn American tradition (and probably a healthy one) to spew crap about the president. (And such spewing is well represented here on this forum: just do a search for "Bush".) It's a good thing that Americans don't given unswerving support to their leaders. (Do a Google search for "Hitler".)

I still don't understand the glee with which some people on here belittle Sarah Palin on a mean ugly personal level, go after her kids, etc, etc...especially now after she's suffered a deserved election defeat. I didn't vote for her, and I don't think she'd have been a good VP. I understand how some people, carried away by the emotions of the campaign, would have engaged in petty juvenile attacks like those we see here BEFORE the election. But why now when it's over, she's back in Alaska and most of the rest of the country has half-forgotten her? Can't you just let it go?

But then I never understood the extreme forms of Clinton-bashing either and he WAS president, not a defeated nobody routed by the voters.

Some of you guys really need counseling to figure out where all this anger is coming from.


Posted by A Boomer, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 9, 2009 at 5:08 pm

As the one who originally posted this topic, for me it is that Palin seeems to have some problems with family values. She ought to have a one on one with former VP Dan Quayle, another elected official of average intelligence.

I think it is terrific that she is supporting her unwed teenage daughter, but it raises so many questions about Palin's character as a person in a responsible elected position:

1. The Palin daughter and the father of the child are considering dropping out of high school to get jobs????

2. Leadership includes the component "by example." I detect little or nothing from Palin that sets a positive example for acting responsibly around bringing children into the world.

3. There most definitely is a double standard. If Palin were a Democrat running for VP and considering national office in the future (which is why I posted this in the first place), the Republican Party as we have known it for the last dozen or so years would have been all over questions around her character and fitness for office like hell would not have it.

By contrast, she got pretty discrete treatment by the Dems in this last election. Good for them, they could have raked her over the coals for multiple things, such as her media interviews, her strange family circumstances, and incredibly irresponsible speeches about Obama.

I don't think she will be on the scene much longer, she is a light weight, Gary's notion of "gravitas" notwithstanding.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 9, 2009 at 5:34 pm

Marvin,

Real facts about Obama:

1. He said he would raise the capital gains tax rate, in order to give a tax break to 95% of Americans. Won't happen (as I predicted)...it would further depress investment by those who have the bucks to invest. Watch and learn.

2. He said he would cut and run from Iraq, on a set timeline. Won't happen...he will listen to his commanders on the line. His only wriggle room on this one is that the surge (by Bush) was so successful that he can now attempt to claim that a time line is possible. I also predicted this one. Basically he lied to you acolytes. BTW, BHO said that the surge was successful beyond anyone's imagination...wrong again! It was not beyond GWB's imagination (or my own imagination). Empty is as empty imagines.

3. BHO said he would chase OBL into Pakistan, and surge in Aghanistan. Won't happen...he doesn't have an inner core that provides the guts to surge the military. He floated that balloon in Germany, and he suddenly got no applause from the Germans. Empty suits listen to the lack of applause. GWB did not.

4. BHO claimed, during the election campaign, to support Israel against Hamas rocket attacks ("If my own daughters were under attach...."). He is now sending signals that Hamas should be negotiated with, despite the fact that Hamas has only one major goal: The elimination of Israel and Jews.

5. Last week BHO, joined Harry Reid in rejecting any appointment from Blago. He has now backtracked on that one. Blago rules the day! BHO understands this...he of the Chicago political machine. What does Blago have on Obama?

6. BHO knew exactly what his racist minister was saying for 20 years. He went along to get along. Now he is claiming that he never heard a thing. Unbelievable!

7. BHO helped to train CRA's (e.g. ACORN), which were directly responsible for the current economic meltown. Now he is blaming corporate greed, and he needs $1T or more in order to deliver economic justice. Very scary stuff.

8. BHO opposed the liberation of Iraq, and says he still does, although he will not, now, stop it. He is a deer in the headlights, like his acolytes. GWB smoked him big time on this one.

9. Does ANYONE, from any particular political persuasion, know what His Emptiness REALLY stands for (other than getting elected)?


Posted by A Boomer, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jan 9, 2009 at 5:47 pm

Gary,

This thread is about Sarah Palin.

I admire your subtle mind.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 9, 2009 at 6:15 pm

Boomer,

I am just replying to Marvin's request to " give some real facts about Obama".

You hurt my feelings! (not).




Posted by Marvin, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jan 9, 2009 at 8:01 pm

Gary--I asked for facts--not your usual speculation, insults, misinterpretation of facts and basic anti-Obama crap.
Let's see #1--not a fact--just speculation on your part.
#2 not a fact--just speculation on your part
#3 not a fact--just speculation on your part. BTW what ever happened to Bush's promise over 7 years ago to hunt down OBL--too busy vacationing in Crawford to be bothered I guess
#4 Not a fact. just misinterpretation by you, while ignoring what it would take for Obama to open low level channels with Hamas
#5 Once again--not a fact--just speculation on your part
#6 Let's see some proof, instead of your speculation [portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]
#7 Once again, not a fact [portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]
#8 Love your imagination on this one. we know what GWB smoked.
#9 I thought you were going to provide facts.

So bottom line, your whole post above concerning Obama is just your usual rantings and ravings about the person you are not even willing to give a chance to. [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]


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