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Black and Latino voters critical to same-sex marriage ban's success

Original post made by Samuel on Nov 6, 2008



The attempt to link gay rights to the Civil Rights movement seems to have failed dismally.

75% of Black women voters supported Prop 8 as did the majority of Hispanic voter.

There seems to be a couple of reasons for this.
1/ The gay rights movement is predominantly white upper middle class and ignore and, in fact, alienates minority gays

2/ Blacks have conservative family values.

There is an interesting analysis of these trends in todays San Jose Mercury
"Oscar Dace, senior pastor of the Bible Way Christian Center in San Jose, said it may have rankled some African-Americans to hear civil rights for gay and lesbian people compared to the civil rights struggles of blacks in the 20th century.

"Many African-Americans are very conservative when it comes to moral social issues. When it comes to the policy issues they are somewhat liberal. They could see Barack Obama on one hand and see the conservative, evangelical understanding on the other hand," he said.

Nieto, who is Latina, faulted the No on 8 campaign for not working hard enough to build ties to minority voters.

"The LGBT community has not done a good job of having relations with people outside of a white middle-class group," said Nieto. Among the leadership of the No on 8 campaign, "I could not find any evidence of any African-Americans or Latinos that were on the steering group. Even if it was one or two, that's not good representation."

It particularly rankled Nieto that the No on 8 television ads showed very few gay or lesbian people — an omission also noted by other critics.

"We had no identity; we had no names," Nieto said"


Comments (8)

Posted by Samuel, a resident of Stanford
on Nov 6, 2008 at 9:13 am


Here is the link to the article in todays news paper that I mentioned

Web Link

it did not stick on the original post so I am am trying again

Samuel


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Nov 6, 2008 at 10:55 am

Your narrow view of civil rights is outdated, Sam. As I pointed out in another thread, bigotry is equal opportunity. Fortunately for everyone, bigotry is also in decline. Freedom cannot be stopped.



Posted by Mary, a resident of Gunn High School
on Nov 6, 2008 at 11:26 am



There is no "right" to get married in the United States,it is not in the Constitution.

The Blacks are correct in rejecting the hijacking of the Black Civil Rights Struggle by gay activists.

They rejected the hijack overwhelmingly by 75% to 25% among Black women.

It is time to move on to serious issues such as the Economy and Defense, an leave these vanity projects by white middle class gays aside.


Posted by anonymous, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 6, 2008 at 11:32 am

As some try to determine "who" was responsible for Prop 8 passing, I would prefer to just say the will of the voters.

Aren't we beyond describing African-American voters as a voting bloc? Aren't they individuals with free wills to vote whichever way they wish? I realize exit polls will continue, and they categorize people, but I don't like it, this continual grouping of people by race. I also wish union members would feel more free to make up their own minds and vote as individuals.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Nov 6, 2008 at 11:34 am

Mary,

It's not in the Constitution because marriage has *always* been handled by the states. Maybe you could take a course on the Constitution and get a little clear on the states' rights thing.

So, yes, there was a right for gays to marry one another in California (and Vermont). A lot of people worked very hard to make sure that right was taken away. Petty. Ugly.

Time to move on? Well, maybe for you--but not for the people who were stripped of a right.

Did you know some women had the right to vote in the early United States. State by state, that right was stripped away from them. It took more than 100 years to get it back.

And it only happened because suffragettes didn't think it was "time to move on".

In fact, I think we'll see the gay marriage on our ballots year after year--and one of those years, it will pass.

And then *you* can move on.


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Nov 6, 2008 at 11:44 am

There is in fact no "right" to get married in the Constitution.

Another thing-
Many people forget that this was a state constitutional amendment. Within California, the state courts cannot now hold that the state constitution makes the ban of same-sex marriage unconstitutional.
A court, bound by a constitution, cannot hold that the very constitution it has sworn to uphold is…unconstitutional.
Also, state courts in California cannot hold that the ban on same sex marriages is unconstitutional under the federal Constitution without directly affronting the U.S. Supreme Court, a move which the South learned will not work so well.
See Cooper v. Aaron.
Again, people forget that ours is a system of laws.
And the legal system which has been formed through federal and state constitutions is one which is still in place.


Posted by Andrea, a resident of Stanford
on Nov 6, 2008 at 1:36 pm



Why don't the No on 8 activists join up with the coalition of East Palo Alto groups who will hold a City Hall to City Hall march into Palo Alto Sunday to protest Palo Alto Police Chief Lynne Johnson's remarks about the department's policy of questioning African Americans.


Now that would be a sight to behold, the No on 8s can protest the protesters because they voted FOR Prop 8

We could invite the mayor of SF and Jesse Jackson to lead the parade holding hands, a real rainbow coalition--- good luck with that


Posted by Joel, a resident of Professorville
on Nov 6, 2008 at 6:02 pm


Black and Latino voters critical to same-sex marriage ban's success

The attempt to link gay rights to the Civil Rights movement seems to have failed dismally.

75% of Black women voters supported Prop 8 as did the majority of Hispanic voter.

There seems to be a couple of reasons for this.

1/ The gay rights movement is predominantly white upper middle class and ignore and, in fact, alienates minority gays

2/ Blacks have conservative family values.


Good for them.

I see on the TV news that gay activists are attacking the police in LA, gay riots and multiple arrests out side a Mormon place of worship

Shameful behavior


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