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McCain's Military Record Questioned

Original post made by Very Interesting on Oct 12, 2008

An article in Rolling Stone looks at McCain's military record in some detail. Everyone knows he was a P.O.W., but there is more to it than that. He finished 894th in a class of 899 at the Naval Academy and crashed three jet fighters during his career as a pilot, only to be bailed out by his father, who was an admiral at the time. He may also have been involved in the 1967 fire on the aircraft carrier Forrestal which destroyed the ship and caused the deaths of 133 sailors. CQ Politics has the story but the traditional media won't touch it with a barge poll. Worth reading to form your own opinion.
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Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 12, 2008 at 9:20 am

Of More Relevance McCain Letter Web Link



Sen. John McCain's 2006 demand for regulatory action on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could have prevented current financial crisis,

as HUMAN EVENTS learned from the letter shown in full text below.

McCain's letter -- signed by nineteen other senators -- said that it was "...vitally important that Congress take the necessary steps to ensure that [Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac]...operate in a safe and sound manner.[and]..More importantly, Congress must ensure that the American taxpayer is protected in the event that either...should fail."

Sen. Obama did not sign the letter, nor did any other Democrat.


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Posted by The Real Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 12, 2008 at 9:24 am

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Posted by EPU, a resident of Stanford
on Oct 12, 2008 at 9:32 am



An idea of what Ayers has in mind for America's schools was provided in his own words not 40 years ago when Obama was eight years old, but less than two years ago in November 2006 at the World Education Forum in Caracas hosted by dictator Hugo Chavez.

With Chavez at his side, Ayers voiced his support for "the political educational reforms under way here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution. . . . I look forward to seeing how . . . all of you continue to overcome the failures of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane."

Ayers told the great humanitarian Chavez: "Teaching invites transformations, it urges revolutions large and small. La educacion es revolucion." It is that form of socialist revolution that Ayers, and Obama, have worked to bring to America. Web Link


Posted by Peter S, a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 12, 2008 at 9:42 am

Web Link

Every vote for every Dem is a vote for a prolonged recession and ruinous fiscal and trade policies.
Last's week stampede in the markets created a stampede in the polling as well, but three weeks is a very long time for people to consider their economic and security futures,
and all the battleground states are either tied or low single digit leads for Obama.

Here's where McCain's relentlessness and experience of last year and the early primaries pays off.
He knows --and Obama's team knows-- that this is an environment in which a massive shift can occur.
The message is two fold: Voters can't trust Obama, and they need Reaganesque policies.

We can skip the Carter years 2.0.
We don't have to have four years of failed experiments in redistributing wealth and sharing out pain that ends up with everyone poorer, much more unemployment,
and a terribly weakened national defense.

McCain-Palin are stumping in the land of the bitter, gun-clinging God loving Steeler and Eagles fans.
It will be wonderful irony if the people Obama insulted at a cocktail party in San Francisco turn out to be the ones who kept their heads and turned the tide for John McCain.


Posted by Peter, a resident of another community
on Oct 12, 2008 at 11:24 am

Peter S., you seem to forget the last eight years under a Republican president with a Republican-controlled Congress for much of that time. There's your source of problems.


Posted by Well, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 12, 2008 at 11:40 am

The Republicans have held the presidency for eight years, six of those with a Republican congress. The courts are all stacked with Republicans, and the media has kowtowed to the Republican administration. Republicans deregulated the financial sector and rolled back Glass-Steagall.
George HW Bush was right in his distrust of Reaganomics, voodoo economics. The Republicans have been able to and have implemented it to their hearts' content, and the current meltdown is the result.


Posted by Game Over Man, Game Over, a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Oct 12, 2008 at 11:56 am

Peter:
"McCain-Palin are stumping in the land of the bitter, gun-clinging God loving Steeler and Eagles fans."

Don't forget Flyers fans, there, Pete - the same ones who just booed the bejesus out of Pathetic Palin when she dropped the puck yesterday:
Web Link

Palin Booed at Hockey Game
When Hockey mom and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin "dropped the ceremonial first puck at the Flyers' opener on Saturday night at the Wachovia Center, she was greeted by resounding (almost deafening) boos," the New York Times reports.

The Wilmington News Journal says "it seemed like there was an avalanche of boos when she walked out -- boos that were almost immediately drowned out by blaring, bombastic music."



Posted by Other, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 12, 2008 at 12:08 pm

Web Link

SALEM, N.H. - The school superintendent in Salem, N.H., says more than 5,000 people are expected to attend a rally featuring GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin this week. The Alaska governor will spend Wednesday campaigning in New Hampshire, where John McCain had his first primary victory but now lags behind Democrat Barack Obama in the polls.

FREMONT, N.H. - The swirl of controversy around Alaskan First Dude Todd Palin vanished in a puff of snowmobile exhaust yesterday as the vice presidential candidate's husband was greeted as a hero at a festival in a cow pasture here yesterday morning. "I've been a fan for a long time," said Erik Frigon, 35, of South Portland, Maine, at the New Hampshire Snowmobile Association's annual Grass Drags and Water Crossing event.


Posted by affirmative action, a resident of Professorville
on Oct 12, 2008 at 12:40 pm

And so what??

Everybody knows but won't acknowledge that it is probably only thanks to AFFIRMATIVE ACTION that Obama got into college and Harvard.

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Posted by Other, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 12, 2008 at 12:50 pm

The Community Reinvestment Act.
Passed in 1977 to prompt banks to lend money in underserved communities, the CRA allowed community groups to file complaints that could hold up or even scuttle bank mergers.
As one nonprofit umbrella group observed: "To avoid the possibility of a denied or delayed application, lending institutions have an incentive to make formal agreements with community organizations."

ACORN became among the most successful at exploiting the law, especially after the Clinton administration set up tough new CRA standards.
In 1993 ACORN crafted a $55 million, 11-city lending program administered by it and financed by 14 major banks eager to avoid CRA woes.
In 1998 ACORN activists disrupted Federal Reserve hearings on the proposed Citicorp merger with Travelers, waving red umbrellas, a corporate symbol of Travelers, and then later protested Citigroup's acquisition of Associates First Capital Corp.
Eventually Citigroup signed an agreement to provide mortgages through ACORN counseling centers, including home loans to undocumented aliens in California.

In 2000 a U.S. Senate subcommittee estimated that such CRA deals had directed at least $9.5 billion through nonprofits, making the CRA the second-most important funder of social advocacy groups next to the government itself.



Obama was funded by and now funds ACORN which is also in the business of voter fraud, it is the subject of investigation of such fraud in 15 states so far and climbing


Posted by The real Mccain, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 12, 2008 at 2:02 pm

what do all the posts above have to do with McCain's disgraceful military record and his collaboration with the enemy during the Vietnam war? let's try to stick to the topic people.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 12, 2008 at 3:38 pm

What the distraction tactics say to me is that McCain supporters can't defend their candidate, let alone bother to know anything about his record.

The Rolling Stone article is interesting and, unfortunately, it fits with McCain's current behavior. He seems constantly pulled between rash impulses and common sense. An ancient adolescent. He's also from the same privileged class as Shrub and has some of the same issues as a result.

Way too great a sense of entitlement. I also think he wants to be a great man, but has a flawed temperment and a vanity that stops him from taking the higher road that part of him *knows* he should take.
That's the difference between he and Dubya--two entitled,spoiled sons of privilege, but Bush has almost no moral sense while McCain has a flickering one.


Posted by Bike, a resident of Community Center
on Oct 12, 2008 at 4:19 pm


Compare McCains Military Record to obamas--- oh dear

Well I suppose we just have to compare them on their record and friends

No obama record( where are his records from Columbia and Harvard, and why will he not produce his birth certificate, McCain has )

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Posted by Info, a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 12, 2008 at 4:59 pm

Sharon,

"McCain's letter"

This letter made no reference to the cause of our woe (the dangers of subprimes or the risky derivatives based on them). Yet another red herring.

On the other hand, Obama did warn specifically about the dangers of subprimes some time ago.



Posted by The Other One, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 12, 2008 at 5:11 pm


Obama lead shrinks by 37% in Gallop poll Web Link


The word about Obamas friends is getting around with devastating effect.

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Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 12, 2008 at 5:37 pm

"Everybody knows but won't acknowledge that it is probably only thanks to AFFIRMATIVE ACTION that Obama got into college and Harvard."

Like Clarence Thomas?

"Compare McCains Military Record to obamas [sic]--- oh dear"

Or maybe the draft-dodging deserter Bush's record to Kerry's?

"Every vote for every Dem is a vote for a prolonged recession and ruinous fiscal and trade policies."

Really, now. Every Rebublican president since Hoover has had at least one recession or depression. Bush has two. But not even one Democratic president during that period has had a recession during his term. For details, check this out: Web Link


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 12, 2008 at 5:47 pm

Paul--

We feel your pain, well, vicariously,

The fact is the ones Potemkin Village is collapsing and you know it,

with luck this will impact the house and local elections too,

the one has cratered 37% in his most favorable poll in 5 days.


Posted by Sue mom, a resident of Palo Alto High School
on Oct 12, 2008 at 7:02 pm

ZOGBY MONDAY: OBAMA 48%, MCCAIN 44%...

How many times can a dead cat bounce? well a few times, but the term among stock traders refers to the test of if the stock is alive or dead.


In response to the dramatic collapse of obama in the home stretch the left whines and stutters, next will be charges of racism, maybe anti Kenyanism + anti Hawaiism I guess

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HEES BACK!!


Posted by Peter, a resident of another community
on Oct 12, 2008 at 8:36 pm

OhlonePar, your posts offer great gusts of sanity in these seas of ignorance, intolerance, and ideological rants.

Thanks.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 12, 2008 at 11:27 pm

Peter, thank you. I enjoy your posts too.

Back to the seas?

What 37 percent Gallup poll. Obama continues to lead in all the national polls. Gallup, after being at the high end for a couple of days, has regressed a point or so toward the mean, but the overall picture hasn't changed. On thing that's worth noting is that Obama's breaking over 50 percent on several of the national polls, something neither candidate managed consistently for several months.

Fivethirtyeight puts McCain's odds of winning at slightly over 5 percent. Obama has margins of 8 percent and up in both Colorado and Virginia as well as a firm hold on all of the Kerry states and Iowa and New Mexico. McCain has to overcome a double-digit deficit in both Colorado and Virginia as well as smaller ones in Nevada, Ohio and Florida. I wouldn't be surprised if he won Ohio, but all of those states? It's not likely.

Also, the only candidate in the last 18 presidential elections that came from this far behind this late to win was Ronald Reagan. I don't think Obama's the feckless Jimmy Carter when it comes to strategy.

I find it amazing myself, but it says a lot about Obama's smarts. The guy hasn't made a major misstep yet.


Posted by Mike, a resident of Crescent Park
on Oct 13, 2008 at 11:38 am

Obama has made missteps for his entire adult life. He either lies about them (Ayers, Wright, ACORN etc) or the media chooses not to mention them.


Posted by The Real Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 13, 2008 at 11:52 am

Mike--your post regarding Obama's "lies" have no meat to them--they are all factoids and red herrings tossed out by McCain/Palin worshipers who have no facts to back up their assertions. I.e. the Ayers issue has been investigated fully and report after report state that Ayers and Obama have no close ties. you and others chose to ignore reality and continue to beat that horse.
Meanwhile you ignore McCain and Palin's character issues--the lies, the abuse of power, the association with racist ministers and on and on.
McCain/Palin have no substance left in their campaign, so they are taking the low road.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 13, 2008 at 2:27 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

We only have had one perfect man, and we nailed him to a cross.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 13, 2008 at 4:57 pm

McCain must consider Obama a perfect man, then, because's trying to crucify him. That's another disagreement I have with McCain - Obama is indeed much superior to McCain, but that sets a rapidly lowering bar and leaves ever more headroom for perfection.



Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 14, 2008 at 7:12 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Obama, never having tried anything, has little failure in his past. He is almost as free of guilt as are the babies he wants aborted.


Posted by The Real Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 14, 2008 at 8:57 am

Poor, Walter, taking the low road like McCain/Palin. Obama does not want to abort babies--I doubt anyone does. He wants the right to chose. And what is wrong with Obama having little failure in his past?
Walter, you may be christian, but you are not very christ-like with your vile comments.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 14, 2008 at 11:06 am

"Obama, never having tried anything, has little failure in his past."

Which Obama are you talking about? Barack Obama started as a stray kid with brains, like Lincoln. He tried to be a US Senator and he succeeded. Have you? Barack Obama tried to get nominated for US President against stiff competition and he succeeded. Have you? Barack Obama is Americans' leading choice to be President. Are you?

You admit Obama has little failure in his past, so I won't ask about failures in yours. But it's all about that speck in someone else's eye compared to the log in your own.



Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 14, 2008 at 2:45 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

How about the right to chose being extended to fathers? And, having my wits about me I decided engineering was more to my liking than politicking. I carry insurance to cover the cost of any failures in my workings - a pity politicians don't do the same.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 14, 2008 at 4:41 pm

"I carry insurance to cover the cost of any failures in my workings - a pity politicians don't do the same."

Even AIG wouldn't insure Bush.



Posted by but seriously, a resident of College Terrace
on Oct 14, 2008 at 6:02 pm

Walter, how about the right to choose being applied to the people whose entire bodies and lives are necessarily changed by pregnancy --which is NOT men. And stop claiming that Obama wants everyone to abort. That is a sick perversion of choice, and it cheapens your personal anti-abortion stance.


Posted by Jane, a resident of Professorville
on Oct 14, 2008 at 7:58 pm



I agree with Walter, if you father a child in CA you have to pay child support for 18 yrs, no choice. Under equal law, both should have choice or neither have choice, that is obvious.

Enough of this radical, dangerous nonsense from the left.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 14, 2008 at 10:12 pm

Jane,

Men *do* have a choice. They don't have to have unprotected sex. But after that, if the woman does get pregnant then I find it peculiar that you think someone else should have so deep a say over her medical care and choices.

The woman assumes *all* of the risk and hardship in a pregnancy.

If a man wants to carry a pregnancy--like that transexual in Hawaii then he can have the choice to carry or not carry that child to term.


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