Posted by Am I the only worried one?, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Oct 1, 2008 at 11:11 am
Politics aside, do you think this is OK then?
I would be worried about either side using children singing praises to their particular candidate as a campaign stunt, either officially or un-officially. I am pretty much against any organization officially endorsing any candidate unless they are a political organization. Any Church that endorses any political candidates or tries to influence the voting habits of its congregation is worrying in itself, but using chilcren to sing praises to a candidate is even worse.
Presuming that Obama does get elected, he is only human and has to deal with issues from a human perspectives. These kids are being given the message that he is some kind of messiah and will save the world from all its ills. When he fails to perform this miracle, these kids will be disillusioned at the least and as they mature more angered at their being used as pawns in a political machine.
Regardless where you stand on the political issues, do you agree with using children in this manner?
Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Oct 1, 2008 at 11:26 am
Just watched the video. First, I'd say the choir director has done a good job of getting those kids to sing on pitch and on the beat.
Second, I don't see any praying to Obama. They're not singing a hymn.
Third, yeah, people do involve their kids in politics. I don't have an issue with that, frankly. I'd rather I taught my kid about politics than somebody else doing it.
Fourth, you clearly haven't seen "Jesus Camp".
I, for one, would love to get religion out of politics. In this case, I didn't see religion in politics, what I saw were some kids reasonably well rehearsed trying to do a good job. They actually look like a lot of children's choruses--nothing particularly glazed about them.
Posted by Am I the only worried one?, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Oct 1, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Getting your children to follow your religion is something completely different (I haven't seen Jesus camp and wouldn't want to). Nothing wrong.
A candidate using his/her religion as part of their campaign is also very different. Nothing wrong.
Teaching a load of kids to sing about world peace, very beautifully, is a bit cheesy I agree, but nothing wrong.
Teaching a load of kids to sing, very beautifully, a suspiciously religious sounding song in praises of one of the candidates. Very wrong.
Presuming Obama gets elected, there will be problems he can't fix. There will be problems no one can fix. If Gore had won in 2000, 9/11 would still have happened. If Kerry had won in 2004, we would still be here debating all his mistakes and wondering what would have happened if Bush got back in.
Obama is not the messiah these kids are trying to sing praises too. They are being indoctrinated.
Problems will happen regardless of who wins this election. These kids are being given the wrong message by saying that he will be anything other than a human leader who will make mistakes, like all human leaders that make mistakes.
Posted by George, a resident of the Old Palo Alto neighborhood, on Oct 1, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Christianity is a legitimate religion that's been in existance for 2000 years. Worshiping Obama is worshiping a man. There is NO connection between these two. Please explain your logic. Are you a frequent drug user by chance?
I hope that the socailists in our community go bankrupt with Obama as President. I've got a secure retirement saved for myself. Enjoy hell.
Posted by Perspective, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Oct 1, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Yes, I am very worried.
We have a publishing house that is due to release a book on Inauguration Day about the brilliant Obama and his ilk ( will Steele or Thomas be in it?). Do they know something I don't about this upcoming election?
We have a "cone of silence" in the media around the root cause of the current financial crisis.( our every 10 year one)
We have absolutely nothing in the papers of the much-bigger-than-Enron auditing atrocities that led to huge payouts of Obama's buddies and those in chargeo of F and F
We have a constant, unending stream of unchallenged lies issuing forth from the mighty obama's mouth and nobody is challenging him.
We have supposedly serious local economists actually citing KRUGMAN ( as if he has EVER been right) and seriously supporting the idea of a national takeover, a socializing of, all banks a la Communism
( Levy is from MIT, I suspect he and Chomsky got along great)
We have an ever increasing leaning toward following the 10 rules of the Communist Manifesto ( look it up, you will be shocked).
We have a country where every major portion of it, from education to welfare to financial markets, has been controlled by the Democrats for all but 4 of the last 40 years and look where we are...and yet many people want to just do MORE democrat ( socialist/communist) solutions.
We have a party which consistently cheers when things go bad for America, from war to economics, in the belief that this will help them get back into power.
And we have a population which has no concept of history except the one they have lived.
Of course I am worried. What are we going to leave our kids?
Posted by Funny, a resident of the Adobe-Meadows neighborhood, on Oct 1, 2008 at 4:00 pm
My kids will be fine, thanks. It would be easy to spin a diatribe on that awful things the Republicans have wrought. The idea that the Dems and Obama are somehow totalitarian, cult of personality, socialist/communist, etc., is pretty nutty.
Our economy sucks, but our democracy is still pretty strong.
Posted by but seriously, a resident of the College Terrace neighborhood, on Oct 1, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Here's the difference: Obama did not put on this ad, nor did he personally ask people to pray for him, with him, about him, etc. Sarah Palin, on the other hand, directly asked people to pray for the pipeline, apparently because she had it straight from God that He wanted it. The two are not analogous.
Myself, I wouldn't have my kid singing about a candidate at all. But I would (and do) make them look at the newspapers and debates and talk about the two sides and what they think. And if other parents think it is cute or whatever, they are entitled as parents to do so. It's not even remotely the same as having a government require it. I hope you are just trying to get a rise out of people byy bringing this up, and don't actually have trouble distinguishing the two situations.
Posted by Dave, a resident of the Old Palo Alto neighborhood, on Oct 1, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Whether Obama made the ad himself or not, it is some evidence of the mindset of some of his supporters - and cannot auger well for civil liberties in an Obama administration. (This is not the first time semi-fascist Obamaphiles have made scary news. Web Link)
Here's another interpretation of the Obama Youth video that bears some thought:
Posted by but seriously, a resident of the College Terrace neighborhood, on Oct 1, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Oh, you mean the truth squad "which is among dozens that Obama *and Republican rival John McCain* have set up in various states . . ."
And as far as the video of the singing kids, how sad that singing about hope for the future is being twisted into an allegedly fascist statement. "I'd like to teach the world to sing . . ."
Come on, folks. Some parents got their kids to sing about hope and happiness in a little pro-Obama video. The fact that you are seriously pretending this is the same as state indoctrination, and claiming that Obama himself will require this kind of adulation if elected, is just ridiculous. Find something real to complain about.
Posted by Ban the Demo-nazis, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Oct 1, 2008 at 8:10 pm
"is some evidence of the mindset of some of his supporters"
Exactly. This is just sick. Children singing. Favoring one candidate. Singing sweetly--simply awful. Obama is a sick mixture of Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Leonard Bernstein, Kim Jung Il, Mao, and Captain Kangaroo. Gut-churning.
If McCain wins let's hope he'll ban singing (he doesn't look like he can carry a tune, so he has no in-built bias). Maybe he can ban the demo-nazis and faschacrats.
Posted by but seriously, a resident of the College Terrace neighborhood, on Oct 2, 2008 at 5:53 am
Ring, are you saying this crisis is Obama's fault? Or that with that kind of government mismanagement he can only lose if he is a complete idiot?
But on the subjectm why exactly did the CEOs of JP Morgan and Bear Sterns get those bonuses? I keep wondering that as we move forward. I'm glad the reps have figured out that Americans do not like to see criminals profit from their misdeeds.
Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Oct 2, 2008 at 10:40 am
Who said anything about Christianity being illegitimate.
What I don't see is Obama worship.
"religious sounding"--not to me It sounded like a choral piece--there are lots of them out there. I suppose lots of people associate choruses with churches, but a lot of them are perfectly secular. In other words, I think your bias affects what you're seeing here.
No question that Obama has some ardent followers. So did Ronald Reagan. It happens.
"Jesus Camp" shows among other things the conflation of religion and politics--much more what you're concerned about instead of some kids singing a cheesy song in t-shirts.
"Cone of silence"--give me a break. The discussion of causes is all over the place. Main thing is most people don't agree with you--as I pointed out elsewhere, the timeline doesn't work for your preferred scenario.
Posted by Ring of Fire, a resident of another community, on Oct 2, 2008 at 11:32 am
Ring, are you saying this crisis is Obama's fault?
Sure, Obama is just the next ++ selected facilitator ++ for the real owners of the JP Morgan et al. You know the folks that come from Jekyll Island. And I am not talking about a beautiful barrier island in Georgia.
For the most part almost all the people on this board have no clue as to what is happening. And more importantly what is coming. You think your voice can change the certain for sure path of destruction we are on.