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They're Bailin' on Palin

Original post made by Wal-Mart Wanda on Sep 18, 2008

The Palin phenomena has officially passed, with Obama re-taking the lead in national polls:
Gallup: Obama 48%, McCain 44%
Diageo/Hotline: Obama 46%, McCain 42%
Research 2000: Obama 49%, McCain 43%

In the end, substance overtakes style ($300 designer glasses and $30K personal tanning beds don't quite connect with the "Wal-Mart Moms" out there).

Comments (27)

Posted by bike, a resident of College Terrace
on Sep 18, 2008 at 12:04 pm



1-The Tassergate soap opera is over.

2-The democratic bloggers who posted Palins stolen Emails are heading to jail for up to 5yrs

3-obama is facing investigation for breaking the Logan Act.

4-New questions are being asked about his ties to Pakistan during his mysterious Columbia years in NY

5-And McCain leads in the Electoral College Vote

Oh yes its a done deal alright


Posted by Elect McCain????, a resident of another community
on Sep 18, 2008 at 12:15 pm

Bike--care to provide any real links for any of your conclusions.
Sounds to me that the republicans on this forum have nothing real against Obama/Biden so they come up with Logan Act violations, Pakistan, false statements about the electoral college, false accusation the democratic bloggers hacked into Palin's e-mail and on and on.
While the real facts are that Palin lied about earmarks, flip flopped on the bridge to nowhere, used private e-mail for government business, is stonewalling an investigation about her acts of malfeasance as governor etc.
Meanwhile McCain has abandoned his ethics and moral standing and is engaged in a sleazy campaign that even Karl Rove has objected to!!!


Posted by sue, a resident of Community Center
on Sep 18, 2008 at 12:46 pm



It is Federal crime to post stolen Emails even if you did not hack them in the first place, gawkwer,DU,Kos and many, many others are in serious trouble and looking at seriuos prison time plus civil penalties.

the penalty for violating the
Logan Act is a Felony punished by up to 3 years in prison, at least their will be a Senate investigation of obamas loyaty and ethics.


Posted by Mike, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 18, 2008 at 12:50 pm

Palin's failin'.


Posted by Elect McCain????, a resident of another community
on Sep 18, 2008 at 12:54 pm

Sue--please state what the stolen e-mails have to do with Obama. Anyway we will see what happens to the hackers.

Regarding the Logan Act:

Web Link

Are you that desperate, considering the lies and falsehoods emanating from McCain/Palin, that you are now questioning Obama's loyalty?


Posted by Jesse, a resident of Ventura
on Sep 18, 2008 at 12:57 pm

Biden has letters in Binladen in the same order. Why dont the liberal medias tell us why? When is Pelosi investigating this? Don't hold your breath.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Sep 18, 2008 at 1:00 pm

Obama's ahead in three of the four national tracking polls and tied in the Rasmussen.

The electoral college polls are behind the national polls--they still show McCain during his post-convention bounce. They'll change with new information.

Palin has been a kind of entertaining freak show, but with Wall Street in meltdown mode, people are getting more serious about the need to actually change things. And that means Obama.

It's the economy, and that's going to be the deciding factor.


Posted by Parent, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2008 at 1:02 pm

Well, here's what doesn't connect for me. McCain, a vocal and well known opponent of government regulation, converting suddely to a 'strong government regulation needed to clean up Casino Culture on Wall Street' message.. This is the most dangerous kind of flip flopping - on matters of the utmost importance, pretending to be something he's WELL KNOWN not to be, for the sake of the election, only after he's proven grossly wrong.

Its happening over and over again, on everything from what he's claimed about Palin (NEVER requested earmarks - morphed into.. Well, she reduced earmarks, to... but but but Look at all the earmarks everyone else asks for.. (only after proven dead wrong) Why SAY IT in the first place if its a blantent lie? to what he's claiming about himself. Mr. Straight talk? Pff. Ridiculous.

And for Palin - well, we're sending our kids to die fighting religious extremism all over the world right now (at least that's what Palin says! Well in reality actually we're fighting for control of oil) and yet, Palin is just that - a religious extremist! who holds the most drastic beliefs possible on such things as women's right to choose, creationism, sex education, birth control, environment, and more. Why in the world would we elect religious extremism into office here, when we see how dangerous it is? It was really only a matter of time until the swing voters (white middleclass female soccer moms, apparently), had time to do a little reading and pondering on their own to hear and understand her positions, to find out for themselves what's behind the big talking, well dressed, facade. The analysts keep saying that the swing voters (white middle class soccer moms?) are favoring her - Wow they give this demographic very little credit for brains to think for themselves and see past the shiny wrapping, don't they.

And the republicans keep saying that this demographic are not 'one issue' voters, meaning they don't think the abortion rights issue is going to be that much of a big deal. They WISH that were true. However, If THEIR fundamental rights to health care, rights to regulate their own family life and health decisions, their rights to religous freedom, their right to 'life liberty and the pursuit of happiness' (which Palin quoted in her interview with Charlie) were being immenently threatened, I wonder if THEY'd become "one-issue" voters. They are dead wrong if they think that Palin isn't going to drive women away in droves with her extremely hostile positions on issues that matter to educated middleclass, women.

(Also interesting - on the email hacking news - that Palin used unsecure Yahoo email for some government business as a way to avoid public disclosure laws.. and this is the one who'd be going to clean up washington? Yes, flying under the radar is a real clean way to conduct yourself. Please. Give us a break. The jig is up.


Posted by how sad, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2008 at 1:40 pm

Palin's bailin' .... on California anyway.

Her fund-raising trip out here scheduled for next week has been cancelled.

Web Link


Posted by Greg K, a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 18, 2008 at 1:42 pm

Many prominent Republicans are publicly expressing complaining about Palin. Just this morning, Sen. Chuck Hagel said that Palin is not qualified. "She doesn't have any foreign policy credentials," Hagel told the Omaha World-Herald. "You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don't know what you can say. You can't say anything." Earlier this week, big-name McCain insiders were speaking out against.

Let's face it. McCain hired Palin to be a cheerleader, nothing more. Cheerleaders might entertain the crowd when nothing else is happening, but when the real teams take the field, cheerleaders are useless.

McCain is a 72 year old cancer survivor. Do we really want a cheerleader to be Vice-President? George Bush was asleep at the wheel during the current financial crisis. We need real leaders in the White House.


Posted by celebrity jabs?, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2008 at 2:06 pm

how sad - thanks for the link.

I think its interesting how the McCain campaign several months ago came out with ads flailing around wildly at Obama for looking too much like a celebrity poser (The bizarre Spears/Hilton swipes.)

Yet looks like they've now got their own bonafide real-life A-List Celebrity spokesmodel on the ticket now. Wonder if they regret those 'celebrity' jabs now or just deny they ever made them?


Posted by anonymous, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Sep 18, 2008 at 2:08 pm

I perceive a lot of vitriol and misogyny in posting as 'Wal-Mart Wanda.' Does one really have to stoop that low? Let's try to keep our discussions at least semi-civilized, please.


Posted by What was the Keating 5?, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2008 at 2:31 pm

I don't get why there isn't more discussion of The Keating Five, (where McCain was one of the Five). I'm a "white middle class, soccer mom" now, but in 1989 when the S&L Scandal was happening, I was only a few years out of high school, not paying much attention yet at all to current events, so many of us don't even realize McCain's role in the Keating 5 and what it was about.

Especially today (literally today) as our financial system crumbles under the weight of a 'casino culture' that has ground our mortgage industry practically to dust, which has decimated practically every major bank and financial company, permeated all the way through the economy, and now which McCain of all people claims is due to lack of oversight - this is a relevent and timely piece of history lesson.

What the lack of regulation and oversight, coupled with corruption and greed, did only 30 short years ago to our financial savings and loan industry.

(As one of the Keating Five, McCain, after accepting all kinds of gifts and trips from S&L kingpin, Keating - met personally with government regulators that were investigating Keating (along with the other 4), to attempt (or giving the appearance of attempting to) pressure regulators to lay off Keating's S&L. MCcain admitted his role in the scandal, apologized and described it as terrible judgement on his part (to take the free trips, and then make improper visits to regulators, etc...). And there is no ambiguity at all about whether McCain was involved.

Many 40 something 'soccer moms' like me, would find it very interesting to learn more about this significant historical event, McCains role in it, and its relevence to todays current events on wall street.

Wonder why no one is talking about it? I think its because the political establishment is generally about 10-20 years older than the 'soccer moms', and doesn't realize its new news to most of us who are mid 40's and younger. I think a history primer is in order! I'd love to hear the whole story.

Tell us Grandpa Jay, won't you? About the Keating Five?


Posted by Soccer, Softball, Baseball, mom, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2008 at 2:41 pm

Anonymous - to the contrary, I think wal-mart wanda was a clever reference to the take in the Media that the republicans seem to feel that the swing voters (which have been described as 'soccer mom' middle class white women, also have been described as Wal-Mart moms) are the ones that are going to be identifying hook, line and sinker, with Palin.

I've thought all along that some political analysts out there really don't know the 'soccer moms' or the 'wal mart moms' very well. they might be suprised indeed to find out who the so calledf "wal-mart moms" really are.

Substance over style...


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 18, 2008 at 2:44 pm



This just the beginning, a lot more democratic heads are going to roll, you do not mess with the FBI and the Secret Service, they prosecute aggressively root and branch of this crime and fast.

NASHVILLE – The son of state Rep. Mike Kernell has been contacted by authorities in connection with a probe into the hacking of personal e-mail of vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, Kernell told The Tennessean.

Kernell, a Memphis Democrat, said his 20-year-old son David had been contacted by authorities investigating the hacking of Palin's personal e-mail account, the newspaper reported on its Web site this afternoon.

The FBI and the Secret Service started a formal investigation Wednesday into the hacking, according to the Associated Press.

David Kernell is a student at the University of Tennessee-KnoxvilleWeb Link


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 18, 2008 at 2:50 pm

Don't forget W's brother Neil Bush (officially: Neil Who?), a major looter of Silverado S&L. The problem is not inattention at the top, the problem is 12 years with the USA Crime Family No. 1 at the helm. McSame's another card-carrying club member.


Posted by Elect McCain????, a resident of another community
on Sep 18, 2008 at 2:53 pm

Sharon--why do you assume that it is democrats that were behind this e-mail hacking and how do you know the party affiliation of David Kernell--it is not stated in the article.
I am sure that pretty soon the usual suspects will start linking Obama directly to this (without an evidence of course),.

Meanwhile, this e-mails have shown that palin is using an unsecure e-mail server to conduct government business, which is not only unwise but probably a violation of the law or at least unethical. Was Palin doing this in order to circumvent rules that government e-mails must be sent using government accounts? What does she have to hide? Considering the revelations concerning her stand on earmarks and her flip-flopping on the bridge to nowhere, as well as her scandalous behavior regarding her ex-brother-in-law, this should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Palin's head may roll over this.

BTW--I saw this on the internet:

""When someone does this sort of hacking/eavesdropping/snooping to a government official, it's called "a shocking invasion of...privacy and a violation of law."

When the government does it to you, it's called the "Patriot Act.""


Posted by mary, a resident of Gunn High School
on Sep 18, 2008 at 3:14 pm



Elect McCain????--

What are you trying to hide? What are you afraid of?

Oh-- now you have brought attention to yourself rather than staying off the RADAR, oh well, so it goes down


Posted by Elect McCain????, a resident of another community
on Sep 18, 2008 at 3:17 pm

MAry--what are you talking about?


Posted by anonymous 2, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Sep 18, 2008 at 3:29 pm

Mary sez: If you had nothing to hide you would not object to having your Constitutional rights eviscerated. If you want the government out of your private business then you are unpatriotic and probably a terrorist. Right, Mary?

The difference is, if Palin truly had nothing to hide, she would not have a problem conducting official business on official channels. Talk about nothing to hide. . .


Posted by Cold Reality, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 18, 2008 at 5:53 pm

More bad news: McCain has become Bob Dole on the campaign trail now.
Web Link

People come to see Palin, then walk out on Dole (oops, I mean McCain).

Bottom-line: Are people REALLY gonna vote for McCain - even the Repub "base"?
Yes, that base is fired up about Palin, but even they know she doesn't have enough experience yet, plus she will be ignored by McCain if he's elected. Thus, they really only vote for McCain under the ghastly assumption that he doesn't see the end of his term.

Palin is the Repub's John Edwards. Dems wanted to see Edwards at the top of the ticket instead of Kerry in 2004, but his presence in the VP slot didn't help Kerry get elected. Same goes for Palin now.
Repub's would rather see her run for Prez in 2012 vs Hilliary - they're salivating over that one already! (And, I'd have to admit, I'd love to see that "cat fight" myself!)


Posted by A Boomer, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 18, 2008 at 7:42 pm

I only watch TV when I am on the road on business and am in a hotel room.

Bottle Rocket Palin was on TV, asked about her foreign policy experience and if she was ready for that sort of challenge. Her reply was that she was expecting attacks of that sort from the opposition and that she and John McCain would be ready on Day 1.

It was complete BS. This is a person who has qualities that could lead to larger leadership positions in the country should her positions be what the electorate endorses, but she is not in any way shape or form (girlish figure included, sexist remark intended) READY.

I just hope people don't park their brains on this election and go on gut as they did the last two with Shrub.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Sep 18, 2008 at 7:55 pm

The Palin hack seems to have been a one-kid job and boy was it low-tech--he just redid her password by looking around online for the answers to those change-passwords questions.

It was a stupid thing to do, but hardly the heinous crime people are making it out to be. I hope his life isn't wrecked as a result.

Cold Reality,

Hillary would have Palin flat in a heartbeat--Hillary knows her stuff, Palin could beat her at a moose-stew cook-off, but that's about it.

It would be funny to watch though.


Posted by Cold Reality, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 18, 2008 at 9:18 pm

OP:
"Hillary would have Palin flat in a heartbeat--Hillary knows her stuff, Palin could beat her at a moose-stew cook-off, but that's about it.
It would be funny to watch though."

I wouldn't underestimate the Pit-Bull, given the ability of the Right-Wing Echo Chamber to create alternative realities, along with their utter contempt - and unhealthy obsession with - the Clintons.

On the other hand, I would have to imagine that at some point, Bill C. would let loose with both barrels at Palin. Now that would be priceless!


Posted by Just sayin', a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Sep 18, 2008 at 9:40 pm

We don't know this kid's party affiliation or who he was working for. It may be the McCain campaign folks hired him. They may want her off the ticket at this point.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 19, 2008 at 5:11 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Palin's stand on energy development trumps everything else that fevered imaginations might come up with. Clubbing baby seals is better than clubbing babies.


Posted by People Are Coming to Their Senses, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 19, 2008 at 2:51 pm

Wow, this is absolutely stunning:

Palin's Favorability Ratings Tumble
Gov. Sarah Palin's favorable/unfavorable ratings have suffered a stunning 21 point collapse in just one week, according to Research 2000 polling. Last week, 52% approved and 35% disapproved of the GOP vice presidential nominee (+17 net). This week, 42% approved and 46% disapprove (-4 net).

Earlier this week, Newsweek also saw the drop in other polling. "Over the course of a single weekend... Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least."

Web Link


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