Posted by Jane, a resident of the Professorville neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 3:59 pm
The fact is, the left is all about privacy in the matters of the womb. Were they to stay true to their colors, this mantra of theirs would seem to preclude them from judging Bristol’s pregnancy and her choice to keep her child, right? It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
The Kos kids and their blog followers have already made one attempt to ruin this girl’s life. Now that they have a story with actual truth behind it, we’ll have to sit back and see how far they run with a teenager’s identity.
Privacy? Don’t bet on it. This is a whole fresh pile of mud for the left to start slinging. They’ll attack Palin’s family values stance, talk about how Palin teaches abstinence, and start trotting out the hypocrisy meme.
Except this is not Palin who is the unmarried, pregnant teen. It’s her daughter.
It’s not particularly shocking when a teenager does something against the parents’ teachings, is it? If we were to call out every parent who taught abstinence from sex, smoking, drugs, or drinking then had a kid indulge in any (or all) of those, we’d be here all day.
Let’s start with the first shots fired at Palin: She’s leaving her four-month-old Down syndrome son to participate in the campaign. As a result, she’s been called a bad mother, irresponsible mother, and shame to her gender for doing so.
Yet you can bet if a Democrat woman did the same thing, she would be called a courageous woman who is giving up time with her infant because she is so dedicated to the future of her country.
A million “bravos!” would ensue.
As for Trooper gate, if you look at the facts and time line.
The brother in law committed domestic violence, made death threats and was drinking while on patrol, this was all fully investigated and the trooper was found at fault and was punished.
In CA he would have lost his right to own a firearm and would have been fired.
Most importantly all this happened before Palin was elected Governor.
The issue is a storm in a teacup, Palin made enemies as she fought corruption in government, some of these corrupts officials want revenge, this will be resolved in her favor by a judge not by Kos and DU.
Posted by A Boomer, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Maybe Palin's pro-life, pro abstinence to not get pregnant, my underage daughter's pregnancy is a private family matter can be rationalized away, but the woman is running to VP of the United States. This sort of thing gets non-stop scrutiny, regardless of which party the candidate is from, and the press already has locked onto this as hard as a pit bull on an exposed throat.
Maybe the White Trash vote still is up for grabs, and Britney Spears' 16 YO sister who just had her first baby, requiring her to take time off from a "family" TV show produced in Hollywood, can endorse the McSame/Plain ticket as one that unwed teenage mothers can relate to.
Posted by Gary, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 5:27 pm
"Worst VP Pick Ever!"
Nah, not even close. The Grand Prize winner was Henry Wallace, the socialist, Soviet Union apologist/supporter for FDR in 1940. If Wallace had been allowed to get back on the ticket, in 1944 (instead of Truman), the Soviet Union would have gained control of the USA.
Buried in the story is another stunner, mentioned in passing: Her husband has a DUI on his record.
I'm starting to feel not just sorry, but embarrassed for McCain at this point - he didn't deserve this. I now think Palin should step up to the plate and withdraw her name proactively, maybe even give up her governorship as well and just devote herself to her family. What a complete mess!
Posted by Jane, a resident of the Professorville neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 5:57 pm
I Know This Isn't As Important as Bristol Palin's Pregnancy, But...
Anbar province is now under the control of the Iraqi Army. From Amit Paley in the Washington Post:
"The U.S. military on Monday handed the Iraqi government responsibility for security in Anbar province, the former stronghold of the Sunni insurgency that has now become one of the safest areas in country".
But, whatever. Maybe someone will unearth another Todd Palin DUI arrest from the 1980s and we can get back to real news.
Obama has told his supporters to STOP these vile and evil posts about families and children, he stated that he was born when his mother was 18 through an affair with a married man who later bigamously married her. It is off the table.
You want to talk about Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Al Gores son etc etc?
This is pathetic, hatefull and counterproductive for the Obama case and he knows it.
So just keep barking if you wish, the backlash has already started, stoke the fires and see who gets burned.
You can trawl the sewers on the internet if you have no decency but guess who gets covered in filth and stench.
Posted by James, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Since you are taking your talking point from the dailykos, you should, perhaps, add some followup, such as following response to the intital kos charge:
"As a lifelong Alaskan, the story mischaracterizes the AIP. The AIP is a party with libertarian leanings that is one of the largest third parties in the United States. Being "self-sufficient" and putting "Alaskans first" does not make you a secessionist party.
When they say the "repatriation of the public lands" they are not talking about secession. About 70% of the land in Alaska is owned by the FEDERAL government (ANWR is an example of this) and not the state of Alaska. This is why it is a FEDERAL issue to open ANWR, not a state one. If it were a state issue ANWR would be open as there is overwhelming support in Alaska to open it for drilling. Also, there is no proof that their 2008 platform is anything like their platform when Palin was a member. Buried as inaccurate, misleading, and whatever other descriptors there"
I find your recent political surge surprising, OP. You led a rational charge agaisnt MI, but you seem to have gone over edge on this national political election. Hint: The dailykos is NOT a reputable source of facts. Just in the last couple of days it lied about Sarah Palin being the grandmother of her own son, instead of his mother. It doesn't get a lot worse than that.
Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 7:21 pm
I don't read the Daily Kos. The reference I read said that the AIP had been trying to get a measure on the ballot that would allow legal secession.
But it would nice to see Palin not be as out there as she appears.
I also said a couple of times that I didn't buy the Palin/grandmother story simply because of the association of Down's with maternal age.
Sounds to me like that rumor was a case of Telephone--there was a teen-age pregnancy, after all, and Palin's behavior is atypical of a woman with a newborn. It's easy to see how it got misconstrued.
As it turns out, the truth is pretty damn harsh. Palin put her poor kid in the national spotlight at a vulnerable time--I'd have more respect for her if the original story were true. It would make her willingness to jet off from her infant more understandable.
The rumor gives Palin a certain nobility of character. The reality doesn't.
Posted by pam, a resident of the Charleston Gardens neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 7:29 pm
there's panic in the progressive liberal left; they're working overtime because they know that palin is going to bring in more voters than they anticipated. her popularity with women is less than Hillary's, but she's *increasing* the male vote for mccain - mccain/palin, get used to it...
Posted by pam, a resident of the Charleston Gardens neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 7:32 pm
"As it turns out, the truth is pretty damn harsh. Palin put her poor kid in the national spotlight at a vulnerable time--I'd have more respect for her if the original story were true. It would make her willingness to jet off from her infant more understandable."
At this point, I wouldn't count on Palin bringing in voters. I wouldn't count on her staying on the ticket. The AIP stuff is dicey and the trooper-gate thing looks pretty nasty. Her hockey-mom-of-five bit is turning into a PR nightmare.
So what is it she brings to McCain's ticket? Soap opera.
You might take a look, by the way, at your anti-Obama rants before you fuss about my comments. Just this week you were holding Obama accountable for his father's behavior. You accused Obama of having an addictive personality and being addicted to power--nothing to back that up, of course.
You dish it out, but you can't take it.
Let me give you a bit of advice, drop Palin as a lost cause and start defending McCain's judgment. He's going to need help on this one. And while I'll never vote for him, I think he deserved something better than this.
"Almost six in 10 Americans say Palin’s selection as McCain’s running mate will have no effect on their vote. One in five say it makes them more likely to vote for McCain; one in five say it makes them less likely."
get over it...the race boils down to obama-mcacain, with heavy betting on palin to clean biden's clock in the debates. overall effect? + points for mccain
Posted by pam, a resident of the Charleston Gardens neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 8:47 pm
"That poll was released yesterday before the blow-up"
oh, the news will help palin overall, you forget that bay area is not about walking the walk, it's about talking the talk - middle america see differently//palin was carefully vetted//mccain knew about baby//this will energize right//remember what happened last time that happened?
Posted by pam, a resident of the Charleston Gardens neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 8:52 pm
this is very very good for mccain//watch//palin is attacked for protecting her kid, something everyone can identify with...then she comes out with indignation about those attacks and follows with a defense of family - ding! ding! - add up the votes
Posted by What The H--- Was McCain Thinking???, a resident of the The Greenhouse neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Pam/Meg/Jane (and BTW, why bother - no one believes you're actually women and you're likely just the same person):
If Sarah Palin REALLY believes in Country First (which is now in doubt, given her continued involvement in AIP - thanks, OP, for the ABC news link on that), she should immediately withdraw her name as VP. Otherwise, she will go down in history as being the first VP pick to actually sink a Presidential candidate's chances and no one deserves that, least of all John McCain.
Ms. Palin has now dropped another peg in my book, down to utterly disgraceful. She has to go, either by her own volition or by force, if necessary.
Posted by pam, a resident of the Charleston Gardens neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 9:23 pm
this is really really going mccain's way now..very very good...they're setting up the progressive libs//since when is a child an unwelcome thing?//libs, you'd better think about that, because this is going to energize the heck out of the far right//and since when is it ok to take your daughters to "god damn america" speeches?
"Did you catch Barack Obama threatening to fire “his” people if they are helping fan the flames about the preganancy of the Republican Vice Presidential candidate’s 17 year old daughter? Families, so he says, are not fair game.
"So, why do you think Barack came out on this? Because immediate internal polling is running very negative against the Obama campaign, which is perceived as pushing the Bristol pregnancy story. They are being painted as bullies and hypocrites. Most Americans, especially those bitter white folks clinging to God and guns, view this as a private matter and none of the media’s business."
Posted by pam, a resident of the Charleston Gardens neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 9:59 pm
secessioinist, do you even read your own links? of course she's a member, because alaskans are an independent bunch//she's also a member of the gop//
"Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences"
gop base is going to light up when palin gets going - - wow!!
Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Hmmm, yes, probably a wise thing to back off supporting McCain, if he wins, he'll make major mistakes in office. The guy just doesn't think things through apparently. (I mean, he's known for months he'd have the nomination, how could he not have seen the trouble around Palin?_ You don't want to end up in the Democrats for Nixon territory.
Refreshing in the Senate and in press conferences, not a great trait in the commander-in-chief.
Posted by pam, a resident of the Charleston Gardens neighborhood, on Sep 1, 2008 at 11:12 pm
as far as i can tell in iowa, mccain has had trouble firming up support from the religious right - that has been now accomplished//the number of women who will vote for mccain because of palin will not be huge, but will be enough that I think Iowa will now go for mccain.
Posted by Elect McCain????, a resident of another community, on Sep 2, 2008 at 7:15 am
Pam--you are clearly being too much of a Rush Limbaugh republican. Children are not being "targeted" by those that do not like McCain. What has happened with Palin's daughter is being used as an example to discuss her policies and beliefs.
Yes, hard to believe that a republican's beliefs can be challenged--usually it is you and you alter egos ripping apart the democrats personal life and beliefs. Times change and Palin has given the democrats such a nice target.
BTW, I am shocked that you are not already writing how Palin trounced Biden in the debate. That will be your take on it anyway. Right???
Posted by pam, a resident of the Charleston Gardens neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2008 at 9:30 am
palin is more popular in her state than biden is in his...i can feel the gop base congealing...we'll be seeing replays of the wright ads pretty soon, asa counterweight to this liberal attack on a 17 yr old
Posted by meg, a resident of the Palo Alto Hills neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2008 at 9:30 am
A nervous young McCain staffer took it upon himself to explain to Palin the facts of life in a national campaign, the intense scrutiny she'd be under from the media, the viciousness of the assault that she'd be facing, etc.:
Palin: "Thanks for the warning. By the way, do you know what they say the difference is between a hockey mom and a Pit Bull?"
Posted by Parent, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2008 at 9:40 am
Lets see - a child is pregnant (not to mention being unwed and apparently too selfish to abstain or to practice birth control), and she and her mother are being patted on the back, and hailed as heros by the GOP.
AND they're even throwing in there that the child is going to marry the boy who impregnated her (like this somehow makes it all OK? It makes it even sicker! By the way, if they were going to get married (in love?), five months later why hasn't that happened yet?? Or is the GOP forcing them to get married too?)
Wow, what great leadership for the future of our country, awesome family values - shows great concern for the future of our children.
Poetic justice frankly that a woman who champions preventing medical privacy for women, and who stuanchly opposes sex education and contraceptive education funding is now reaping the reward for her own wacko belief system.
Maybe what should happen is that the devastating impact of teenage pregnancy should be visited upon the mother of the teenager (like it is for everyone else in the world who experiences this joyful blessing - teenage pregnancy), and she should be asked to resign her nomination. Because the reality of the world for everyone else is that when a teenager has a baby there are a lot of OTHER people severely impacted besides just the children who so cleverly created the little miracle, who's lives are irreversibly changed without their consent.
And doubly ironic that the McCain campaign who somehow felt the need to bizarrely compare Obama to Brittany Spears (attempting to demean both in the process) now finds itself with its own little pregnant teenage "role model" on their hands. Beautiful.
Posted by What The H--- Was McCain Thinking???, a resident of the The Greenhouse neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2008 at 9:41 am
Here's today summary of "Palin's Problems" (hard to keep track of this growing pile):
Oh Sarah, we hardly knew ye. Greg Sargent at Talking Points Memo has a great roundup of what we've learned about Palin today alone.
* The news that Palin once backed the Bridge to Nowhere went national.
* It emerged that Palin has links to the bizarro Alaska Independence Party, which harbors the goal of seceding from the union that McCain and Palin seek to lead.
* The news broke that as governor, Palin relied on an earmark system she now opposes. Taken along with the Bridge to Nowhere stuff, this threatens to undercut her reformist image, something that was key to her selection as McCain's Veep candidate.
* The news broke that Palin's 17-year-old daughter became pregnant out of wedlock at a time when the conservative base had finally started rallying behind McCain's candidacy.
* Barely moments after McCain advisers put out word that McCain had known of Bristol Palin's pregnancy, the Anchorage Daily News revealed that Palin's own spokesperson hadn't known about it only two days ago.
* A senior McCain adviser at the Republican convention was forced into the rather embarrassing position of arguing that McCain had known about the pregnancy "last week" -- without saying what day last week he knew about it.
* It came out that Republican lawyers are up in Alaska vetting Palin -- now, more than 72 hours after it was announced that she'd been picked.
* Palin lawyered up in relation to the trooper-gate probe in Alaska -- a move that ensures far more serious attention to the story from the major news orgs.
Not a good start to Day One of the Republican Convention. If it wasn't for Gustav, Palin's problems would be an even bigger story. Can she survive as McCain's vice presidential hopeful? See Eagleton, Thomas. She may energize the Republican base (so much for McCain's supposed independence from the wingnuts in his party) but flop with everybody else.
Apparently the people in her hometown of Wasilla, Alaska, population 8,471, even thought of recalling her as mayor after she fired the city police chief and library director (!) for not endorsing her mayoral campaign.
In the six months McCain had to make a vice presidential pick, couldn't he of sent a few more lawyers to Alaska? They seem to be vetting their candidate ex post facto. McCain wanted to select Joe Lieberman but was told such a move would destroy the Republican Party. So he went in the other direction, picking a completely unknown hardcore conservative with virtually no relevant political qualifications. And we wonder why controversy ensued.
Posted by pam, a resident of the Charleston Gardens neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2008 at 11:11 am
oooo, palin's daughter is having a baby, but let's see what biden's family is up to//hunter biden, (son) and brother james biden, are named in a lawsuit involving fraud and millions of dollars that has been playing out in the new york upreme court since 2007, revolving around their involvement in the hedge fund industry during their involvement with paradigm companies llc. the younger biden, a lobbyist, served for a time as the paradigm's president//hedge funds, rollevers? anyone's guess, probably millions of people hurt by biden family greed
Posted by Elect McCain????, a resident of another community, on Sep 2, 2008 at 11:15 am
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Tough finding out that your new heroine may be bounced from the ticket. Seems that the family value republicans now think it is okay to get pregnant, out of wedlock, as long as you keep the baby and marry the guy (can you say hypocrisy anyone).
Posted by Paul, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2008 at 11:52 am
Palin: Worst VP Pick Ever!
Nope. That honor has already been claimed by Dick Cheney, or maybe by Dan Quayle, or perhaps by Spiro Agnew or Dick Nixon himself. Smart, their respective presidents - they chose their VPs to damp impeachment fervor.
Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2008 at 1:59 pm
You need to read the New York Times. Women don't like Palin because we know that there's no way you can give a four-month old infant the attention it needs while running for national office and we think pushing the national spotlight on her pregnant teen-age daughter is irresponsible.
Mothers balance their children's needs against their own all the time. Watching Palin exploit her motherhood while simultaneously doing a crappy job of parenting *is* galling. That she thinks she should tell us how to run our reproductive lives is the frosting on the cake.
You also just feel for the kids involved--the infant who's clearly not being nursed; the son going off to Iraq; and the poor pregnant girl. Among other things, it's clear that Sarah Palin won't be around to help her daughter learn to be a mother.
But what about you "Meg"? Why do you understand so little about parental responsibility? Would you fly in the eighth month of a high-risk pregnancy? Do you even know why it's a bad idea? Would you run for national office when you had a four-month old? Do you even know what kind of care four-month olds require?
It is pretty obvious that you're not a woman. I'd guess that you're also very young. [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]
Posted by pam, a resident of the Charleston Gardens neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2008 at 2:09 pm
op, time to start worrying about palin as the convention builds to a peak and she gets out and about. stop worrying so much about her kid; her kid isn't running for office; typical liberal hypocrisy, "protect the children, as long as they're one of ours"//no compassion//you were same in mi debates//always throwing condescending whinsy about//you lost//you will lose again//i'll send flowers//nah! maybe a card//john mccain knows how to pick 'em!//can't wait until biden/palin debate!!!
Posted by Danny, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2008 at 2:31 pm
What do you have against Democrats? I've never read such bashing. Dems are half the country (slightly more, actually), so why are you constantly hating on half of your fellow Americans? At least Obama wants to bring the country back together. If it were up to the Repugs, we'd be headed for a 21st century Civil War.
* Palin Obtained a Business License for Marketing and Consulting, Saying that She Wanted To Line Up Her Ducks if She Chose to Pursue It. “Asked about the business registered under her name, Palin said, ‘Rouge Cou, it’s a classy way of saying redneck. It’s a French word, rouge is red, cou is neck. It’s for marketing and consulting, in case I wanted to go that route, I’d have my ducks all lined up and have a business license. I just was granted that business license. … I would like to, with some of the endeavors that I have going on right now, there comes a time when one desires to be paid for them!’” [Anchorage Daily News, 6/8/05]
This woman is REALLY something - imagine the fun that the late night-talk show hosts are going to have with her!
Posted by Danny, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2008 at 3:45 pm
The image you linked only exemplifies how BACKWARDS the Repugs want to take our country. It's actually very offensive. We have come a LONG way since that image was first introduced to the American public, both in women's rights and equality in general. But by all means, keep linking to that image. It will only serve as a reminder of in which direction the two candidates want to take us: Backwards or forwards.
Posted by Perspective, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Sep 2, 2008 at 8:37 pm Perspective is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online
Obama supporters, you should thank Palo Alto Online for stopping the incredibly inane, hypocritical, childish and vicious comments you have been making. I have been enjoying them, I have to admit, because it has simply confirmed what I already knew to be true of the very far left....they are only for choice ( or speech) if they agree with the choice. You have confirmed the wisdom of my prior choice to leave the Democrat party in the 90s and register as a Republican.
Me, I am, to paraphrase a certain other recent comment by a woman well know in the USA, for the second time very proud of being of the same gender as a prominent female politician. The first time was when Condeleeza Rice took her post.
So refreshing to have someone who was proud to be a "hockey Mom" and in the PTA..unlike another prominent woman who proudly proclaimed that she didn't just "stay home and make cookies". BTW, this was one of the many statements which drove me away from the Democrat party.
Anyway, have fun flaming. You are simply burying yourselves. Which is pity, I would rather Obama go down on his character, experience and policy positions than over silly stuff like pissed off women, but oh well.