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China Cheats in Women's Gymnastics & Should Relinquish Gold To The Athlete Who Plays By The Rules
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by Olympic Watcher, Old Palo Alto,
on Aug 18, 2008
He Kexin tied with Nastia Liukin on the uneven bars.
But after careful thought by the judges, He was awarded the gold.
This girl is clearly underage. The PRC has lied about He's true age.
I think China should relinquish the gold to the winner.
If the winner was from Russia, Japan, or any other country, I would feel the same.
Cheating is cheating.
This has tarnished the image of China.
The communist government is so proud of themselves that they would lie in an athletic event. Now think about World Affairs...
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Posted by Boycott Beijing Olympics
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Aug 19, 2008 at 2:58 pm
"The way that officials in China break the rules sends a message to its people that breaking rules is OK means that the common people see nothing wrong in it."
Here's a brief synopsis/history of Chinese law, to help you understand.
Chinese society has *always* been ruled form the center - no exceptions. Incredibly authoritarian, barbaric, merciless, and bloody conflict have kept it that way, seemingly forever.
Civil legal code, as you and I understand it, has never existed in China. So, for instance, if you stole my book (a book I authored) and re-printed it with your name on it as the author, there was no intervening authority to appeal to.
Thus, conflicts like the one I just described, and many others, were resolved by one's connection to personal and networked power. IN other words, *anything goes* as long as you have the means to escape the consequences delivered by those you have wronged.
The law becomes punitive in China *only* if one's actions are seen as upsetting the "natural order" of whatever particular group holds central power at the time. Thus, if you carry a sign in the time of Mao that proclaimed "Capitalism is Good", you were a goner.
It's a LOT more complex than I have just described, but that's the sense of what we're discussing.
Chinese, in negotiation, *never* see "win-win" as an outcome. It's *always* zero sum. It's a cultural thing. From that perspective, one operates from the assumption that one can do whatever one wants unless one perceives that their is countervailing power on the other side sufficient enough to curtail one's action toward gaining power, fame, money, etc. etc.
Feigning and "polite" agreement in negotiation, or in situations like this Olympic problem, where Chinese officials "insist" that they have papers, and blah, blah, blah. They do this because they are more convinced than not that they can get away with it. And, given the weak response of a paid off bunch of sleaze Olympic officials, and nations who are afraid to say "boo" to China, they're right.
So, these little Chinese kids, with very flexible joints (and relatively soft bones, still in development, not a good thing) are pushed into the limelight after having been "chosen" for their role in Chinese culture - i.e. to embellish the motherland, to make China look, to it's own citizens (most of whom struggle, and have a hard time believing in progress) and the rest of the world that China is "just like us".
Looking at that within the the context of what I've described above, it's just another ploy to place a patina over the brutality of the Chinese government's cutthroat determination to dominate in _other_ ways.
America's top people know this, but they're all bought and paid for by commercial interests that profit from China's pathetic history of abusing its own people (that's why we have such cheap Chinese labor).
It's a complex system of abuse, natural resource rape, occasional token retribution from the West (as the West's big player rake it in), and so on.
We'll either elect leaders and appoint officials that will not truck these essential differences, and play hardball in a way that forces China to meet us in the middle, or we'll continue to get run over - in athletics, in commerce, in conflict, and so on.
In a very real way, this is all our own fault.