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Georgia Started the War against a neutral area,city near the Russian border

Original post made by Rick on Aug 14, 2008

The people in the area attacked by Georgia didn't want to be part of Georgia and possibly wanted to be associated with Russia.

Why the news media dosen't point this out more is a mystery.
The first report said Georgia attacked a Russian peace keeping force in this area then nothing more was said about who actually started the war and implyed it was Russia.

There is a lot more to this story than is being reported by most media.
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Comments (23)

Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 14, 2008 at 2:05 pm


Rick,

This is just a replay of the Sudetenland in a previous era. Hitler used many of the same arguments to invade.

"There is a lot more to this story than is being reported by most media."

Not really, Rick.

Putin understands the weakness of old Europe, he has a strong hand (oil and gas), and he is playing it. He counts on weak interpretations like your own.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 14, 2008 at 2:18 pm

Get your conejos over there, Gary. You could help make this Putin's Iraq. Imagine: 20 years from now they will write a book and make it into a movie: Gary's War.




Posted by Walter E. Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 14, 2008 at 2:19 pm

Time to send a nasty letter and boycott Russian Dressing.


Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 14, 2008 at 2:45 pm

You need to listen or watch BBC News, DW News and most interesting of all RT (Russia Today) News. I have also been on-line reading the story as reported in overseas newspapers. You'll get several different slants on what is happening and why. Don't just blindly accept the very slanted propaganda being put out by Bush and Company.

As for Hitler invading the Sudatenland. Wake up, this is the 21st Century and is so totally different because Georgia provoked Russia first, hoping to get the U.S. to support their cause which they are doing.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 14, 2008 at 2:46 pm

"Get your conejos over there, Gary. You could help make this Putin's Iraq. Imagine: 20 years from now they will write a book and make it into a movie: Gary's War."

Paul,

You (and Rick) are already making it Neville's War. Churchill and FDR had to fight agianst you guys...but they won, in the end.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 14, 2008 at 3:12 pm

"As for Hitler invading the Sudatenland. Wake up, this is the 21st Century and is so totally different because Georgia provoked Russia first, hoping to get the U.S. to support their cause which they are doing."

Resident,

Hitler used exactly the same argument...ethnic Germans wanted to be reunited with the motherland. Czechoslovakia was preventing this natural affiliation, becasue it asserted historic terriortial rights. Hitler attacked. Chamberlain, like you and Rick and Paul (thus far), bought the argument.

"this is the 21st Century and is so totally different"

Really?


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 14, 2008 at 3:15 pm

Gary is an armchair warlord; the kind that spouts without having to kill. Probably picked on as a kid.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 14, 2008 at 3:51 pm

"Gary is an armchair warlord; the kind that spouts without having to kill. Probably picked on as a kid"

Patriot, you are, of course, welcome to your hatriot opinions, however I will always challenge them. I am no more a "warlord" than Churchill or FDR. Both of those leaders had to endure hatriot (armchair) attacks, in their time.

Some things never change...especially hatriot (e.g. German bunds and socialist intelligencia, in this country ) undermining of international freedom.

As I read some of this stench, I can only wonder if there are agents on the payroll, like Alger Hiss.


Posted by resident, a resident of The Greenhouse
on Aug 14, 2008 at 9:42 pm

Look, if the U.S. had never invaded Iraq, we would have a higher moral say in this attack. You could almost say the U.S. started a new precedent. The U.S. "shock and awe" attack on Iraq, was followed then by Israel's "shock and awe" bombing of Lebanon, and now followed by Russia's "shock and awe" attack in Georgia.




Posted by resident, a resident of The Greenhouse
on Aug 14, 2008 at 9:46 pm

Also, when you have a cocky, arrogant hot-head like George W. Bush in the white house facing a big bully like Russia, I can tell you one thing's for sure....Bush ain't gonna make this war any better. It's gonna become a beer house brawl. Heads will fly. Watch out.




Bush Aides Say Russia Actions in Georgia Jeopardize Ties
By STEVEN LEE MYERS and THOM SHANKER
Published: August 14, 2008
WASHINGTON — Russia's military offensive into Georgia has jolted the Bush administration's relationship with Moscow, senior officials said Thursday, forcing a wholesale reassessment of American dealings with Russia and jeopardizing talks on everything from halting Iran's nuclear ambitions to reducing strategic arsenals to cooperation on missiles defenses.




Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 14, 2008 at 9:53 pm

"Look, if the U.S. had never invaded Iraq, we would have a higher moral say in this attack."

Nonsense. If the U.S. had not attacked Germany, in WWII, would that have provided moral cover for us? After all, it did not attack us, we attacked it. How about Kosovo? It never attacked us, yet we attacked it (Serbs).

So what is the difference, resident?

Try, just for once, to put two neurons together, and get this one right. It might be hard for you, yet it is important that you try.


Posted by already at war with Russia, a resident of Santa Rita (Los Altos)
on Aug 14, 2008 at 9:54 pm

It's only been one week and we are already at war with Russia. We signed a deal with Poland to point missiles at Russia. How much more flagrantly hostile can you get without killing someone?

U.S. and Poland Set Missile Deal

By THOM SHANKER and NICHOLAS KULISH
Published: August 14, 2008
WASHINGTON — The United States and Poland reached a long-stalled deal on Thursday to place an American missile defense base on Polish territory, in the strongest reaction so far to Russia's military operation in Georgia.

Russia reacted angrily, saying that the move would worsen relations with the United States that have already been strained severely in the week since Russian troops entered separatist enclaves in Georgia, a close American ally.

Web Link


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 14, 2008 at 10:06 pm

"We signed a deal with Poland to point missiles at Russia"

Is this stuff from the rabbit hole?

The U.S. has no need to place offensive missles in Poland. The U.S. does have a need to intercept missles from Iran, heading towards our allies, like Poland.

It is amazing how the hatriots get so irrational.


Posted by already at war with Russia, a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Aug 14, 2008 at 10:09 pm

Gary, did you bother to read the article. Let me quote it for you again.

"Russia reacted angrily."


If for Iran, then why is Russia getting so upset?


Posted by already at war with Russia, a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Aug 14, 2008 at 10:10 pm

The article is from the New York Times, your favorite newspaper.;)


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 14, 2008 at 10:13 pm

"If for Iran, then why is Russia getting so upset?"

Because Russia is paranoid and insecure. That is also why it is autocratic. It has a long history of acting this way.







Posted by already at war with Russia, a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Aug 14, 2008 at 10:19 pm

So why then are we, U.S., pointing the missles at Russia?


Posted by already at war with Russia, a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Aug 14, 2008 at 10:21 pm

"American soldiers would staff air defense sites in Poland oriented toward Russia"

another quote from the New York Times article, your favorite newspaper. ;)


Posted by Rick, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Aug 15, 2008 at 12:32 am

I still say there is a lot more going on than is reported in our media.

My original point was that.

Bush and the other people running the country want a war to distract from the real issues befor us. McCain is such a great military leader. Oh thats right his plane was shot down after he disobeyed orders not to continue flying alone into N Vietnam. He probably stayed in prison there to advoid dealing with his father who was running the war at the time. Now he is taking orders from Chaney and Carl Rove who is raising his campain $$. Guess who will be running the country and wars if he is elected.

Bush, Chaney and others provoked or told the leader of Georgia to start a war and we would cover them. They have been over to that country and Chaney was on "Vacation" recently in that area.

I would never support Russia in war or Georgia either. Wars are created by us as a way to transfer our wealth to military contractors.

The more that comes out about our invasion of Iraqe show what kind of people are running our country now.


Posted by Patriot, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 15, 2008 at 12:45 am

"Patriot, you are, of course, welcome to your hatriot opinions, however I will always challenge them. I am no more a "warlord" than Churchill or FDR. Both of those leaders had to endure hatriot (armchair) attacks, in their time."

oh, oh, now Gary is comparing putting himself in a class with Churchill and FDR. He's a "leader", just like them. Woo-eee!!! Narcissism knows no bounds. Now we know exactly who we're dealing with. Carry on, Gary. Make sure your mirror stays polished.


Posted by resident, a resident of The Greenhouse
on Aug 15, 2008 at 1:22 pm


Russians are just as self-righteous as Americans. Boy, they sound like us when we invaded Iraq.


"The superpower showed that she was able to defend her people," said Marina Katayeva, 30, a doctor. "Now we will be more respected."

Alyona Latyuk, 22, said, "I hope that now the West learns a lesson."

While Western commentators are talking of a strategic sea change and a resurgent Russia newly ready to use its military might, many Russians say their country had nothing to prove, at least not to them.

The West, they say, may simply have learned what they already knew: Russia is back. And its actions in Georgia are nothing to get excited about, just the ordinary business of a great power in its traditional backyard.

Their tone was not so much militant as proud. To describe Russia's actions, they used words like competent, correct, reasonable. Russia, in their view, is the peacemaker.

"Russia wants to resolve things peacefully," said Ms. Latyuk, who wore a white tank top on which she had stenciled the English words, "No War."


Web Link


Posted by Tong Incheek, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 15, 2008 at 3:23 pm

We need missiles to defend against terrorist attacks. Every right thinker knows that. If we'd of had them 7 years ago 9/11 could of never happened.


Posted by The Real Perspective, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 6:04 pm

Gary, you can't talk to people who have the worldview of these leftists.

These leftists reveal who they are with comparing Russia invading Georgia with intent to take over a portion of it and under no threat from it at all to the USA and 34 other DEMOCRACIES going into an agreement to overthrow Saddam in order to halt the threat he was, and help the people achieve the fundamental right of every human- liberty.

This alone shows how there is no ability to "put 2 neurons together" as you say.

Putin has not changed his stripes. He was a hardline communist in charge of the KGB, who declared the Ossetians to be "Russian citizens" a couple years ago..and then declared that Russia has the right to "defend its citizens" a couple weeks ago as a pretext to enter into an attempt at secession by SOME of the Ossetians.

It would be like Mexico declaring the people of San Diego Mexican citizens, then when SOME of them want to secede, coming into our country to try to break away San Diego.

Geez.


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