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Changed my Mind About Obama

Original post made by a, Adobe-Meadows, on Jul 9, 2008

What a disappointment Obama has become. How could he possibly vote for the Wiretap Bill? This goes against what I stand for. This is the same bill Eshoo voted against.

I couldn't vote for Hillary because of the war, nor for McCain because of the war. Now this?

He's lost his mind. Obama a neocon? Ralph Nader, it looks like if you're on the ballot I just may vote for you.

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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 9, 2008 at 4:57 pm

a,

This is just me gloating again.

Obama is not a fool. He is rational. That is why he will not, in the end, cut and run from Iraq. He will also make rational decisions about wiretaps...then waterboarding.

He is smart enough to lie to his base, then to capture the center. Not exactly "new" politics, but, hey, it works sometimes.

I feel your pain.


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Posted by a
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jul 9, 2008 at 5:10 pm

Thanks Gary.
I am so deeply saddened by America today. My parents immigrated to this country looking for a better life. They wanted to give me a bright future, but now left and right jobs are being shipped over seas, right back to the country where my parents came from. How ironic. Had my parents stayed in their home country, I wonder what opportunities I would have. My parents wanted to flee political corruption, war and dictatorships, but when I look at America today, this is what I see.

I am profoundly saddened by the fear mongering, the government spying, the constant lying by government officials, war, torture, and the deterioration of the economy. There is no hope left.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 9, 2008 at 5:36 pm

a,

Keep a stiff upper lip.

I don't think I agree with a single thing you say, but I hate to see a young person give up the ship.

America still has enormous opportunities, for hard workers, despite the socialists' attempts to cramp it down.

You have a certain self-pitying attitude, but that is fairly typical of young people. It was the same with me, back in the day.

BTW, what is that home country you refer to that offers more opportunities, compared to America?

Just to keep hope alive, do you support nuclear energy and offshore drilling for oil, in America? I am trying to bring you into my camp, in case there is any doubt. I think we have things in common, desite my gloating.


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Posted by a
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jul 9, 2008 at 5:42 pm

No, I do not support offshore drilling. Gary, you and I have irreconcilable differences. I believe Bush is a closet Nazi and is responsible for brining down this country to the state we currently are in.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 9, 2008 at 5:54 pm

a,

Still feisty, I see.

Please: What country did your parents come from, you know the one that offers so much greater opportinities, compared to America?

Also, to cut to the chase, since you oppose offshore drilling, do you also oppose nuclear power?


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Posted by qq
a resident of Barron Park
on Jul 9, 2008 at 6:06 pm

Web Link

Grouped By Vote Position

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Alexander (R-TN)
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Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
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Rockefeller (D-WV)
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Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
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Stevens (R-AK)
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Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
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Akaka (D-HI)
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Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Wyden (D-OR)

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Kennedy (D-MA)
McCain (R-AZ)
Sessions (R-AL)

California was split 50/50 :/

qq


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Posted by pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jul 9, 2008 at 9:34 pm

qq, thanks. notice that clinton voted 'no'. . obama is a pandering fraud. just look at his position reversals since hillary left, but not one word in protest from those who have drunk the kool-aid. just look at his donor base.. it's mostly big money.. people are really blind when they 'believe'


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Posted by yup
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 10, 2008 at 7:09 am

Pam, you and I rarely agree. But, you are absolutely correct about Obama. He is purely out for the power, and will do whatever it takes to get voted in. He believes we Americans are stupid, and will now say and do anything to try to fool us into believing he is whatever we want him to be.

I am voting against him, and for the one I know, though dislike, McCain.

At least I am not afraid of McCain. I KNOW he is going to bring our country further left, but at least I know where and how after his years of actually showing up and actually voting.

BTW, why does the media and the Left keep thinking that because more and more of us are saying we are heading in the wrong direction it means more and more of us want to go Left faster? Can't anybody THINK??? If you also asked the follow up question "Are we going to far left or too far right?" I am certain you would find that at least half of the respondents saying that we are heading left too far. Including me.

Why do you think the numbers are the lowest ever for Congress at something like 11% While Bush is still almost 3 times that? We are mad at Bush and the Republican leadership for CAVING, so people like me are saying "we are heading in the wrong directioon".

THINK people!!


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Posted by Who is Gary??
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 10, 2008 at 7:54 am

Love this thread of Gary having conversations with himself--"identity A" feeds "gary" a statement, which he answers, then "identity B" chimes in.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 10, 2008 at 11:17 am

I get some glee out of the fact that some people think I post to myself, using different identities.

The thinking, apparently, is that there just COULDN'T be more than one of him in Palo Alto! Now, I agree that there are not a lot of rational people in PA, but hey, there are a few...and a few of them choose to post on this blog. I have never met them, but is nice to hear from them.

Who is Gary? Answer: A male indvidual who has lived in this town for decades. A former leftist, now an adult with a brain. I like to argue ideology, some politics, war and peace...using facts to back up my views. And I like to gloat, because it is like shooting fish in a barrel, when I destroy leftist/hatriot arguments...there is no need for false modesty.

Victory in Iraq is a done deal, IF the hatriots do not snatch defeat from its jaws.


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Posted by pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jul 10, 2008 at 12:23 pm

what makes me laugh about gary is that his beloved bushies caused the saddam problem in the first place, starting with rummy-nut. now his little cokehead, brain-damaged shrubie has mucked it up again, and ends up sending more troops in to clean up. they call it a 'surge' (that's short for 'emergency surgical repair'). so who's the hatriot? shrubie is a dangerous man.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 10, 2008 at 1:07 pm

"what makes me laugh about gary is that his beloved bushies caused the saddam problem in the first place"

pammie, Saddam caused his own problems. It was all fallout from Jimmy Carter, when he rolled out the red carpet to the Ayatollah Khomeini. Saddam saw a weak spot, then attacked it. Khomeini got the upper hand, then the U.S. sided with Saddam (lesser of two evils, similar to siding with Stalin over Hitler).

Saddam, sitting on a huge pool of oil, decided that he wanted to make Kuwait his 19th province, blaming "slant drilling". He attacked Kuwait, a friend of the U.S., and he got his ass kicked. Not only that, but in order save his ass in power, he agreed to meet certain standards. He did not (including trying to assasinate our former president). He is now dead.

And you blame the Bushes for this? Amazing!


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Posted by a
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jul 10, 2008 at 4:32 pm

Gary and I are not the same person....just to dispel any myths. Gary, I appreciate your commiserating with my pain about Obama. I just talked with a colleague and I've decided to write in Ron Paul on the ballot.

Good luck all. Over and out.


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