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Have you read Obama's program?

Original post made by Palo Altan, Palo Verde, on Feb 3, 2008

In the past week or so, I have found out that some of my friends and acquaintances have decided to vote for Obama in the primaries. One has even decided to volunteer for his campaign.

When I ask them if they have read his program, particularly on Social Security, I get blank stares. This is really unfortunate.

Social Security is a big issue. However, I take issue with the way Obama wants to solve the problems with social security. You see, Obama wants to eliminate the ceiling on social security taxes (which currently stands at a little below $98,000).

In an area like Palo Alto, this should elicit some strong reactions, but people don't even seem to know it!

Take a family of four, with one income, a stay at home mom, and potentially one or more college students in the family. They live in Palo Alto. Their income is between $100,000 and $200,000. In most areas of this country, this would be a really high income. In Palo Alto, it is middle class. You have to watch it to make your mortgage payment, college tuition, and be able to make ends meet financially. If Obama is elected, your taxes will shoot up because of his proposal on Social Security.

Do you really think you can afford this?

Then, please, if, like many of us, you would end up in that situation with Obama as president, please, please, reconsider your support for Obama.

I am voting Clinton.

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Posted by Ben W
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Feb 3, 2008 at 7:36 pm

Palo Altan is right about the hit that "middle class" people in Palo Alto (who would be "rich") in most of the rest of the US will take from Obama's tax proposals. But I think his/her "voting for Clinton" alternative is naive.

The fact is that either of these two candidates will raise taxes on people who in higher cost areas of California are barely keeping themselves in the middle class. That is the democratic reaction to the Bush years. Maybe it's right, and maybe it's wrong, but if the Democrats win both the White House and keep control of congress, we in Palo Alto are going to be paying a LOT more taxes.

Some of us can afford it more than others...but none of us will escape.


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Posted by palo altan
a resident of Palo Verde
on Feb 3, 2008 at 7:48 pm

Well taken Ben, however Clinton does not plan on eliminating the ceiling on social security taxes, which would hit Palo Alto's "middle class" really hard, much more so than, say, a roll back of Bush's tax cuts which would affect mostly incomes over $250,000.


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Posted by Mr. Henkel
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Feb 4, 2008 at 9:00 am

My dear Palo Altan you support Hillary, who proposes to wants to Garnish wages of workers who refuse to buy health insurance.

Umm, where is my right to choose?

And how much do you think the government premium on that health insurance would be?

or perhaps Social Security tax cap was reduced to 1988 levels.

What if your property taxes on your Palo Alto home were cut in half?

I think that would help even more.

The key to a vibrant economy is for you to have more disposable income for things you choose for your life. Not what Hillary or Obama want for you.

I just want a choice and not a decision forced upon me.

Thanks


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Posted by Perhaps
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 4, 2008 at 10:34 am

Perhaps the real problem here is poor personal finance if you are having trouble making it on 200,000 a year.

Just a thought.


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Posted by Pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Feb 4, 2008 at 12:38 pm

"My dear Palo Altan you support Hillary, who proposes to wants to Garnish wages of workers who refuse to buy health insurance"

This is a distortion of her position. How about the Obama plan, that leaves people out? Is it fair for most people to be paying in, and then if you - who decide not to buy, get sick - force your neighbors to pay? That's selfish. Also, every other developed country in the world demands payment for health care, universally. It's time the US caught.

Obama is spreading this same distortion. He will lose.

GO HILLARY!!!


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Posted by Pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Feb 4, 2008 at 12:50 pm

Web Link

More of Obama's dirty linen. He will be savaged by the GOP if he makes it to the general election, because the press has not gone after his negatives - Hillary's negatives are know, and she has beaten the GOP attack machine every time. If you want a Dem in the White House, vote for someone who can make things happen. Oratory is fine, but walking the talk is where it's at. Hillary is not perfect, but she's the best person for the job.


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Posted by Mr. Henkel
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Feb 4, 2008 at 3:43 pm

It is clear that the democrats enjoy the notion of dirty linen.

I will never vote or support Monica Lewinsky's x-boyfriends' wife, Hillary is weak and dishonest.

The key to a vibrant economy is for you to have more disposable income for things you choose for your life.

Not what Hillary or Obama want for you.

I just want a choice and not a decision forced upon me.


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Posted by Pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Feb 4, 2008 at 5:08 pm

"I just want a choice and not a decision forced upon me."

There's always Ron Paul.


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Posted by just thinking
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 4, 2008 at 5:37 pm

Hillary says she is being "35 years of experience" with her. I've checked her bio info - 35 years ago was when she finished law school and entered the non-academic period of life. Not an Earth-shaking milestone for a politico's bio - most members of congress can say the same, with greatly longevity.


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Posted by A Voter
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 4, 2008 at 5:59 pm

I will never vote or support Monica Lewinsky's x-boyfriends' wife.

LOL


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 4, 2008 at 6:32 pm

I want to see people voting tomorrow. I want to see people making up their own minds and looking at the candidates for who they are as much as what they say.

Obama says a lot and sounds very good. Unfortunately, policy is a lot more difficult than oratory.

Hillary is her own woman. Her husband's dirty laundry does not wash with her. He may be doing his best to help her at present, but some would say that he is more of a hindrance than a help. May that is why he is going down in the polls.

Maybe the polls are inaccurate, they have been quite a bit in this election process so far.

I think that California having some clout this time is great, but we must make sure to use it thoughtfully and not just vote empty headed.

Spend time delving into the candidates bios and think if this is really the person you want not only leading the country, but being the spokesperson for the American people in this very uncertain world in which we live.

The way the world views us is more important than we think.


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Posted by Pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Feb 4, 2008 at 6:47 pm

A voter, I guess you would not have voted for Kennedy, FDR, or Eisenhower - among others, they all had mistresses. I find it odd that one would hold any woman or man responsible for the the actions of a their respective spouses. Odd, indeed. And, you're voting for who?


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Posted by I dont know
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 4, 2008 at 8:14 pm

I dont know Ann Coulter is endorsing Hillary, thats enough to scare me away. ;^)


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Posted by Pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Feb 5, 2008 at 1:11 am

Another testament to the power of Hillary. Go Hillary!


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Posted by Thanks Pam
a resident of Meadow Park
on Feb 5, 2008 at 1:26 am

Well, Hillary wins the prize for most annoying supporters. Go Pam!


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Posted by Pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Feb 5, 2008 at 1:40 am

Yes!
Web Link


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Posted by Mary
a resident of Palo Alto Orchards
on Feb 5, 2008 at 9:12 am

THE NEW YORK TIMES.
"The Republicans want Hillary to run. They know they can't beat Obama"

The leading stealth Republican is all over the Palo Alto Online pushing Hillary.

>> Vote Obama for a change in our future.


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Posted by So
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 5, 2008 at 11:20 am

Does anyone really think anonymous accolades on a community web site have a real impact on voting outcome? If so, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. ;^)


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Posted by Obama's so wrong
a resident of Palo Verde
on Feb 5, 2008 at 12:37 pm

Pam changed my mind, when I read her link


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Posted by So
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 5, 2008 at 12:43 pm

"Pam changed my mind, when I read her link"

So need a bridge then?


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 5, 2008 at 3:26 pm

At the very least, this is very interesting to watch.

No matter what happens, the constant screeching will not stop to put in place policies that will push us closer to developing a European economy, European unemployment levels, a European standard of living for the poorest 20% ( research what socialism does to the bottom rung after a generation) and the European percentage of illegal aliens ( there is virtually no border control now that the EU has been put in place).

Be it Obama, McCain or Clinton...they will all work to destroy our economy and opportunities through making it harder for "the rich" to have enough money to employ people , lose us sovereignty, lessen what little border controls we have, lessen our free speech (McCain already did a lot of damage with McCain-Feingold), blah blah


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Posted by Pam
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Feb 5, 2008 at 3:30 pm

perspective, Ron Paul sounds like your guy.


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Posted by Mary
a resident of Palo Alto Orchards
on Feb 5, 2008 at 6:00 pm

The stealth Republican pulls her cloak off again.

Psst, give it a rest, no one wants to hear a woman screech.


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