Today is the day to talk about Gun Control in Palo Alto Palo Alto Issues, posted by Gun Control, a resident of the Palo Verde neighborhood, on Dec 15, 2012 at 9:53 am
I am not normally a political rantist, but I feel so strongly about this and we do need to act to prevent more bloodshed in this country and prevent it in Palo Alto.
If ever there was a time to talk about gun control and what we can do to prevent another massacre, it is now.
Do we want a crazy person with a legally obtained gun running into one of our schools, our places of worship, our movie theater, our shopping mall? Do we care whether the legally obtained gun came with all the strictest background checks if it kills and causes mayhem in our town.
If anyone of the people who don't agree with me on this gun control issue starts talking about rights, knives, semi trucks, poisons or anything else, they are bringing up red herrings. Guns are designed to cause death and serious injury. Period. This is not a farming community where a farmer may be protecting his livestock from invading bears or mountain lions. This is not somewhere where we can go and shoot a squirrel or deer for dinner. It is much cheaper to buy food in a grocery store.
It is time to protect our kids and ourselves, not by personal weapons in the home, but by getting rid of guns in society. We can't figure out who the nuts are, so we have to prevent them getting their hands on guns. If nuts are given guns, in any state, it is proof that the system is broken. We must get the guns out of society.
This must not be a taboo subject. It is what we must do because civilized societies in this world do their best to prevent massacres and so should we.
Posted by Gary, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Dec 15, 2012 at 10:24 am
Limit the number of shells to three per clip; pump or bolt action only, no semi-auto.
Prohibition would probably inhibit the overall death count, but it would also violate the 2nd Ammendment, and it would guarantee the old tautology: "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws would have guns"...then innocent people would have no protection against the bad guys.
If the nutcases used molatov cocktails, instead of guns, would there be talk of banning gasoline? Remember, the biggest school masacre ever n the U.S. was in 1927 (Michigan), and it was done with a bomb. Norway has very strict gun laws, but there is always a way to get them, if the determined shooter wants to do a masacre (as happend last year).
Posted by Sharon, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Dec 15, 2012 at 10:45 am
Had to go back a hundred years to find a case to defend guns?
How many kids have to die?, next time?
Fifty? One hundred?
Bringing up another country? Of the largest massacres in the last 50 years, 15 of the top 24 have been in the US. 5% of the worlds population with more than half of the massacres. Still want to deflect?
Two cops killed in Memphis yesterday.
Another 30 people will be killed by guns, every day.
How many more kids will it take, Gary?
Serious background checks for all purchases. Remove the regulations that free dealers and manufacturers from all responsibility. Outlaw the weapons of mass destruction such as assault weapons and high capacity weapons/clips.
Posted by Gary, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Dec 15, 2012 at 11:33 am
>Serious background checks for all purchases. Remove the regulations that free dealers and manufacturers from all responsibility. Outlaw the weapons of mass destruction such as assault weapons and high capacity weapons/clips.
I am OK with most of that, except the part about legitimate gun dealers, who already obey the law. If guns were restricted to three shells per clip/magazine, no semi-auto, most gun dealers would go out of business. However, i support those who are still willing to supply guns for the law-abiding crowd.
No matter what you or I agree or disagree about, concerning guns, the nutcases will still commit mayhem.
Posted by Janet F., a resident of the Old Palo Alto neighborhood, on Dec 15, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Be glad, Sharon, that you have freedom of speech here. If the government can take away a constitutional right, they can take away others, too. The first to go would be freedom of speech and freedom of the press, since they cause so much "trouble" for the government.
Yes, take away the high-powered automatic weapons with 100-round clips, but do. Ot take away self defense.
BTW, how do you keep any weapon out of the hands of a psycho, as the Connecticut shooter clearly was?
Posted by Sharon, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Dec 15, 2012 at 4:06 pm
The tin foil hat crowd is convinced that banning assault weapons is a UN backed big government power grab, and is using fallacious "slippery slope" arguments that you will lose free speech rights, etc..
Look out Janet! The UN black helicopters are circling overhead.
To the serious reader: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
Let's regulate. Start with a law that allows muskets and work from there.
Posted by Gary, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Dec 15, 2012 at 4:14 pm
>Go Gary! Tell us how we need more guns!
We need enough appropriate guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens to satisfy the desire of our citizens to protect themselves. These guns should be restricted to three-round clips, and should not be semi-auto. Please note that I have now alienated many who believe that all types of weapons should be allowed.
Prohibition of all guns will be a total failure, and it will put the bad guys in even more control of our streets and neighborhoods. A much safer condition would be where the bad guys need to consider that the law-abidng citizens are armed with sensible guns. If the school in CT had a couple of old guys, trained in weapons, and armed at the entrance, mostly playing gin rommey and telling old lies, this crazy may have been taken out at the entrance...or at least it would have bought time to bring in the police.
Posted by Sharon, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Dec 15, 2012 at 5:12 pm
1/ The mentally ill shooter tried to buy an assault rifle on Tuesday and the gun store refused to sell him one-the current gun laws work
3/ ALL the recent mass shooters had very serious mental illnesses-we need to bring back institutionalization for the seriously mentally ill and get them off our streets.
4/ Most of the gun deaths in the USA are individual suicides NOT murder of others
5/ In Switzerland their are military grade assault rifles in most homes and many semi-automatic handguns-they do not have many mass shootings because they put seriously mentally ill people in mental hospitals and lock the doors-In Switzerland the mentally ill are not allowed to own guns.
6/ In Switzerland gun owners have to secure their guns against theft at home-the shooter in Conn stole his weapons from his mother-she obviously had not secured them.
7/ The issue is not gun control-it is control of the mentally ill