Post a New Topic
Original post made
on Dec 11, 2012
i LOVE it! Leave Izzy's alone!
Love It! Please leave it alone.
Good riddance. Aren't street-facing signs enough? This isn't Los Angeles. Izzy's is great but need to follow the law, too.
For goodness sake.... NO ONE can fault Izzy's for their decoration... esp the city. After what was done to the California Avenue trees, and we all got to see how truly ugly those buildings are....
Leave Izzy's alone - it's FUN!!
Can't believe Izzy's would install such a display without inquiring about city permits etc. It would be obvious to most folks that there would be likely consequences when you do not clear things with the city first. Maybe they just were trying to save some money by not going through all the processes that most businesses and residents have to endure. Take it down and apply for a permit for your next attempt to draw attention to yourselves. Izzy's has great bagels and shouldn't need to have such a display to attract customers.
I immediately noticed it driving southbound on the El Camino and LOVED IT!!! I think it's fun, creative and lively! Adds fun and it does draw attention from the El Camino where MANY folks travel, which is good for business from non-locals!
Good Grief ~ Give them a break. :)
~ excuse any typos ~
If the material they used for the giant coffee cup is the same material they use for their coffee, I doubt the giant coffee cup would be strong enough to endure a light breeze.
OK, everyone want Izzy's to be left alone. Fine. So you'll all fully support the other businesses for doing the same thing?
Calif Ave will look lovely with all these infltato-signs on all the roof tops. And think of how great the energy consumption will be not to mention the noise pollution when all those signs are fired up and kept inflated by the constantly running generators.
If Izzy's is so wonderful (and I'm not saying it is not) then I'm sure it can survive without this mini blimp on its roof.
I love Izzys and I love their bagels. I think the display is cute.
Code Enforcement is saving lives! Death by rooftop mocha? I think not!
Yes, it's really, really cute and I love it. But as other poster mentioned, imagine if all the businesses had rooftop displays. CA Ave. would look like Las Vegas. Palo Alto doesn't want to look like Las Vegas [portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff].
House of Bagels has the superior, authentic bagels.
It's an issue of equity and fairness. Adhere to the City's regulations and land use laws; if you believe it wise to do something else, do as others do: apply for a variance.
Are you kidding!?!
With all the ugly housing and buildings to the curb going in, and some stupid idiot complains about a rooftop display, that, by the way, is NOT ugly like the curbside buildings!
Get over yourselves!
Speaking of fairness and regulations....Explain the JCC (ugly) on the corner of Charleston and San Antonio.
Completely above so called "City Regulations"...hmmmm, some greasy palms around town!
If code enforcement were doing their job to begin with, it wouldn't take a citizen complaint to bring down the sign.
For God's sake. California Avenue is already boring and soporific in the extreme. That sign (cup plus bagel) is innocuous and adds a little character. Instead of banning it, check it out and see if it is securely anchored. If so, LET IT BE!
This episode kind of begs the question: "Why should it be illegal for a business to use its rooftop for advertising, or some other purpose, such as displaying "public art"?
Wondering: Take a look at all the businesses using tacky "in your face" advertising gimmicks in San Jose around the Tully and 101 area. Talk about eye pollution . . a slippery slope indeed. There seems to be no code enforcement in that area. Is that what you want in Palo Alto?
Please let stores show some personality and fun. There is nothing offensive.
P.A. uses "selective enforcement" of the rules. If citizens hadn't objected to 27 University, we would have a development that was so out of whack with the 'regulations' that would be laughable. Remember (some years ago) when the city wanted to take down the sign above
Mac's Smokeshop on Emerson? The city picks and chooses its battles. Small businesses beware.
Izzys has great bagels but they have to adhere to city rules like everyone else..sign looks very cheesy..
[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]
This is a typical Palo Alto 1st World problem. Way to prioritize P.A.!
[Post removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]
The patrons of Izzy's take up all the Bank's parking spaces and it wouldn't matter if they were Taliban or the Pope - they still take up the spaces. The issue with the SIGN is that it does not conform to zoning rules and has nothing to do with religion for crying out loud. The store sells great bagels. It would just be nice if the patrons obeyed the parking signs and the zoning rules.
It probably wasn't a good idea for lots of reasons. But, why can't someone get the JCC to remove all their advertising banners. Surely that must be illegal also.
That is my point exactly. If you are a large, politically connected organization or a wealthy developer, then the rules don't apply to you. Let's get real about all of this nonsense. Do the powers that be think that the citizens of this city are morons? We have the most educated and politically involved populace in the country. Yet, the city thinks that no one is looking? We should all be thankful that we still have freedom of the press.
The JCC banners aren't on the roof, and Palo Alto city code prohibits roof signs:
16.20.090 Prohibited signs.
(a) No flashing, moving or roof signs shall be erected within the city. Flashing or moving signs for which a sign permit was issued prior to April 3, 1969, are continued to be declared nonconforming and shall be amortized in accordance with the provisions of this chapter. Roof signs for which a sign permit was issued prior to November 28, 1973, are continued to be declared nonconforming and shall be amortized in accordance with the provisions of this chapter.
I can't wait for an [fill in your own least-favorite business neighbor; how about an adult bookstore?] to arrive and put up its own rooftop signage. . .
Good bagels and coffee.
It may be "cute" like McDonald's and In-and-out-burger, but think about spreading this kind of signage in Palo Alto. I can just imagine a gigantic cow on the roof of the Peninsula Creamery or a pastrami sandwich over Max's. How about a crippled senior citizen on the roof of Avenidas. As for the "city planning" of Palo Alto, just look at the mess they've made of Charleston Road. Take a look (gasp) at what they plan to do at University and El Camino. And yes, take a look at both the ugly architecture of the JCC and the new Mosque across the street.
While the city is screwing up traffic and approving high rise buildings I can't even get approval to build a carport.
I say throw out the old politicians and bring in the new! Sure, eventually they'll get corrupted, too. In the meantime, some of us will be able to get ordinary things done.
Oh, I wonder if any of the city council members read our responses.
As far as I remember, there was no mention of advertising banners on the walls of the JCC before it was built. The artists impressions I saw showed lots of mature trees and setbacks with grass between the street and the buildings. The banners are huge, distracting to drivers and although they are not on the roof, I would like to know if they are legal. It is nothing to do with religion, but it has a lot to do with asthetics.
For what it is worth, I don't like the ridiculous signs on the sound wall on Bayshore either. That signs telling birds the way to the duckpond is art, is beyond me.
I just drive from downtown to midtown and saw signs in plenty of the store windows and front walls. Why no complaints about them? Why the distant harping about the JCC? BTW ifa driver is distracted by a simple sign, maybe they should not be driving.
We are not discussing signs in windows that are larger than life and cover several floors. Come on, you can't say that these signs are asthetically pleasing. This is not a shopping district with signs that are expected.
I love art that is pleasing, uplifting and meaningful. I love seeing Mennorahs, Creches and Christmas Trees. I love dragons for Chinese New Year. I love flags for 4th July and other celebrations. I don't mind Ronald MacDonald outside a MacDonalds, advertising bill boards beside highways, and advertising lights on Times Square. There is a place for large signs, banners, displays. I just don't think these walls are the right place for these signs. Put up a wonderful Mennorah and light up the walls, great, add to the festivities. These signs are not appropriate where they are.
People, the city is just enforcing what elected officials have put into local law. They have low staff levels and it is impossoble for them to respond pro-actively to everything. When they see blatant illegal things I am sure they do not use "selective enforcement." The JCC to my understanding has permits for the signs, and none of them are on the top of the roof. This notice to Izzy's probably took less than 5 minutes and then they had another 100 things to do, so to comment that they should have more important things to do is ridiculous. Another post said it best. If one store get's away with it, then they will all do it. I applaud their efforts, and YeaYea said it right...imagine if it blew off the roof and injured or even killed someone. You would all be up in arms that the city never took action to have it removed. Izzy's should get a permit and put up a sign on the front and/or side wall.
Guess they'll have to take all the steeples off the churches, too.
Its a great idea. Maybe the Nail Spas could put ten large toes with nail polish on top of their buildings! The hair salon could put a wig on top of their building. Keeble and Shuchat could put large cameras on top of their buildings...
I miss all the kitsch that used to line the freeways. Let's make the California Ave the kitsch capital of Silicon Valley. We'll have some place to go marvel at the decorations when Christmas Tree Lane isn't Christmas Tree Lane.
Not sure why the editors removed my response to resident. As I stated there is no difference between a sign in the subway shop and the signs at the JCC! The JCC.had the permits and the signs are not on the roof. Aesthtically pleasing is not an issue. And why the harping about the JCC? Why no complaints about the cheesecake factory in downtown. I think I know why (despite the efforts of the pa weekly)
Route 66 or Vegas perhaps, but too tacky and gaudy for here.
I love the fact that we can get rid of rusted RV's parked on streets with their occupants that pee in yards and yet we can get rid of a blow-up bagel.
It is ironic that the same city that chopped down all the trees on California Avenue now wants to enforce the code. The bagel is cute.
Izzy's Bagels do not need huge signs to sell themselves, they are wonderful. I love the place ... except I have to admit, in the last year or so somewhere they started taking any fruit out of their pastries. I used to love the cherry and blueberry and apple croissants, but now they just have a smear of like jelly inside instead of any fruit at all.
This is the case with almost all retail stores these days, items getting more expensive and made with cheaper or less ingredients ... but Izzy's bagels are great.
I don't think they need a giant sign ... just make your food as good as you used to and people will come back.
The Ca avenue sign is very tacky-in gross violation of code and a real and present risk to life and property in a storm.
Take it down- apologize and pay the costs ASAP
> The patrons of Izzy's take up all the Bank's parking spaces and it wouldn't matter if they were Taliban or the Pope - they still take up the spaces.
God yes .... I never have ever parked in the banks parking lot, and not just because they usually have or had a guard there to prevent it ... but the parking in this area is just brutal. Why have a big sign that says come ever here for coffee and a bagel when no parking can be found within 4 blocks of the area around lunch time!
And people are really nasty about it as well. I've seen people sit in their cars until someone they like or know comes by to take the space while they sit there with their cars idling and people are waiting. People are just getting weirder and weirder because the people who design and maintain our city are complete incompetents and they encourage poor behavior and uncivilized life.
Palo Alto is delusional about the parking problem here. We all drive cars and all will drive cars for the foreseeable future, until the cars can drive themselves and park themselves, so when people build buildings, open businesses the issue of parking needs to be addressed, not just ignored and waved on by,
The reason I do not go to Izzy's more often is that I sometimes turn onto California as an impulse and find I cannot park anywhere ... what they really need is a drive through!
Does the JCC have a permit for the banners? It's great that the 10 sandwich boards are gone from there after three years!
Does the new business "Beam: Suitable Tech" across the street from the JCC have a permit for their huge banner?
It's a sign. It's in violation. Let the city employees do their jobs by enforcing the city codes/laws. Simple.
Sorry Izzie's!!!! It's got to go
but memorialize it with a photo on your wall, so we can enjoy it!
not sure you get more customers and certainly cant lose any. you're the best!
I have never NOT been able to find parking anywhere in Palo Alto. Not once, ever.
Want to know my secret? I do not insist on a parking spot right in front of the store I want to visit. I'm not lazy and I don't expect that I'm entitled to a spot in front of or directly proximate to the store I'm visiting so I don't mind parking a block or two away and walking.
There really isn't a parking problem, just a bunch of entitled Palo Altans who think having to walk a bit is unacceptable.
Don't agree with the above poster. Many times at lunch time I have been unable to find a parking spot in any of the lots. I also don't expect to park outside the place I am going and don't bother to try, but I expect to find a spot in one of the lots.
Nowadays I have learned to park by the park or in the residential neighbourhood the other side of Alma and use the tunnel. It is much quicker to park there and then walk rather than driving around looking for a spot in the lots.
While we're at it, let me agree with No Snivelers and say that I've frequented Downtown/California 2-3 times a week for years and have almost always found parking within a minute by going directly to the parking structures. (The lots can be full from time to time though.) I can probably count on my fingers how many times it took me more than 3 minutes to find parking. And those were probably on the busiest Friday night of the year. Same goes with Stanford Shopping Center. I've only had trouble on the Saturday before Christmas.
People need a bit more perspective: Palo Alto parking is among the best in the Bay. Does anyone here visit SF or Berkeley? In Berkeley, you can't even find parking in front of your own house. In SF, whenever I go to Birite Creamery or Burma Superstar, I spend up to 30 minutes circling around for parking.
Palo Alto also has great signage in our downtown areas. It's very easy to find the parking lots. This is not the case in many other downtowns.
You have to wonder who was so angry as to actually complain about this. Is there a competing coffee house located nearby?
Half of the houses and businesses in Palo Alto have a sign that says either "DirectTV" or "DISH Network."
First of all the bagel and coffee cup on the roof are NOT inflatables, they are works of art that I am sure are secured on tight enough to withstand any weather. The owner is a great guy, very straight and honest, and wouldnt have put it up if it was any type of safety risk. I think it adds character. As for the bagels...THEY ARE THE BEST BAGELS EVER. When they just opened up 15 years ago, another bagel store opened up down the street, and closed down after they saw they couldn't compete!!
You are missing the point.
Yes, Izzy's bagels and spreads are delicious. I love, love, love their raisin walnut and whitefish spreads.
But the fact is, they broke the law.
As another poster above quoted:
16.20.090 Prohibited signs.
(a) No flashing, moving or roof signs shall be erected within the city.
If Izzy's erected the roof sign and did not apply for a permit to do so, they violated a city law.
End of story.
Take it down.
The sculptural bagel and cup at 477 California are works of public art by Mohamed Soumah, who did the poppies mural at Country Sun and remind me of work by Claes Oldenburg, and also the folk art "Foreign Friends" and the Greg Brown murals throughout town -- we should acquire them for our collection and not hassle the store, which has been there for 18 years, employs 20 people and serves thousands of customers.
The work also subtly recalls the 1's and 0's that are the foundation of Silicon Valley, the cup is like a 1 and the bagel is like a 0.
This is genius and practically empirical evidence of the Divine and only a philistine or cheese-eater would disagree. Can you dig it?
And just like the miracle of the Maccabess three thousand years ago and the light that burned longer than one would expect, I am picking this sign to make it through an admittedly rough week...
It was really fun, while it lasted. I remember when I first saw it, and thought, "What a super idea!"
Perhaps Palo Alto should change the rules, and permit this, if the structure is safely secured.
Sometimes I think people in Palo Alto could use a good enema, and they'll feel better. That's what Grandmom always suggested.
A little heavy on the censorship no? Just grown adults having a conversation, not a big deal really.
It also reminds me of Warhol and his soup cans, and Banksy or Shepard Fairey and their art-graffiti. It is both a sign and a comment on signs, and art.
It's perfectly sited. working with the trees, the poles, the roofline -- everything.
I think we should find a way to keep it up. I've talked to five people on Cali Ave today and we are working on a strategy to Save The Bagel.
Or so says me!
it looks to be made of hard-foam, mounted to a metal bracket, to the roof.
And if other small businesses can come up with something to that level of skill, bring it.
Personally, I like them! I hope that they stay up!
The winter winds will ensure the sign will not stay up long.
I think the sign is cute and fun! It adds to the staleness of downtown calif ave. I too believe that too many people here in this town have too much time on there hands but with a city that also has too much money, needs something to waste there resources on..... Unfortunately as much as I love the sign and want it to be kept.. We all know that the money behind the iron fists will win and it will come down... However, maybe Izzy's could incorporate a smaller version of the statue in front of there store. This is just a suggestion, Because due to the fact that I am a busy blue collar worker and have much to do in my life other than look up licensing codes and permits..... Maybe, the town should take a good look at what the consumers are really saying here....That we the consumers are looking for something fun and different! One more thing, I totally agree with the comment on the removal of the trees downtown. If the city would stop wasting money on tearing up all the streets around palo alto, they might have enough to put in new trees!!! (How many times have you seen a street ripped up and then fixed but then asked yourself what was the improvement???)
It's a lively sculpture, more interesting than the "official sculptures" on California Avenue. This icon will make California Avenue a must-see destination. How nice to have some relief from "Palo Alto Bland."
If the shop places the bagel a little higher, we really could have some fun trying to throw a bean bag through the bagel and maybe get a free cup of Joe.....GET CREATIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Izzy is either the sharpest guy in town or an undiscovered marketing genius.
You can't buy this kind of publicity: reached KQED radio yesterday; regular folks photographing in the cold rain today.
Yes, Izzy strayed to the wrong of side of code enforcement, but there's one thing he did that was absolutely right: engaging Mohamed Soumah.
Along our denuded strip, Mr. Soumah's works still capture the soul and spirit of California Avenue we, as a community, need to preserve.
Just as his murals at Antonio's and Country Sun, perfectly, and without words, epitomize those establishments, so does the rooftop coffee cup and bagel at Izzy's.
Each visual work in its own way adds to the avenue's special character and definition while it also helps us better understand its overall gestalt. In mere words. they are:
- Human sized and small scale
- Locally owned and locally patronized
- Low tech within a high-tech world
- Home grown and tightly integrated with surrounding neighborhoods; a true neighborhood center
- Quirky, diverse, eclectic
As Alan Weller, of Midtown and with professional office space on the avenue, wrote after trees feel three years ago September:
"California Avenue is not the second downtown in Palo Alto and never tried to be one. Instead, it is a smaller but distinct business district and neighborhood center with its own distinct personality and function.
Although a business district, it has been far more integrated, visually and socially, with the nearby neighborhoods than University Avenue is with its adjacent neighborhoods. It evolved in symbiosis with the adjacent tree-lined neighborhoods, and its mature oak trees, variegated through age, were a reassuring reminder of this relationship. Until the trees were removed, there was no abrupt visual transition from the neighborhoods to California Avenue."
Brent Barker of College Terrace phrased it this way:
"California Avenue is a throwback to an age of more organic growth -- small businesses, small town casualness, neighborliness -- that grew up without the need for imposing a tailored look. We could describe California Avenue as 'organic, eclectic, casual, independent, neighborly, downscale, feisty, comfortable, charming' ….. The buildings are not historic but the street still carries the spirit and casualness of the eclectic small town neighborhoods that surround it. It can still be a vital economic street without becoming another faux downtown ….. We want to retain California Avenue as it has grown up mirroring the independent housing of the neighborhoods surrounding it, not impose a theme borrowed from elsewhere. '
As concept plans for the California Avenue "Area" (i.e, El Camino to the tracks; Cambridge to Lambert) move toward final discussion and approval for integration into a Comprehensive Plan update, we can and should rally around this "identity."
Perhaps Mr. Soumah can create it as a visual for the community, so it can wave proudly as set of completely understandable streetlight-mounted flags atop a regenerating, long-time companion.
Tacky bit of kitchy commercial signage.
I wonder if the Izzy cup was illegal because it was on the roof, or because it was a safety issue. And is there an ordinance against random billboard advertising?
If anyone has seen the billboard light Verizon sign at the corner of Hamilton and Cowper (the 476 Hamilton building), it does not belong to a store front. It's just positioned for pure Advertising.
It's really strong lighting, interferes with the actual signal lighting.
Is this allowed?
Don't miss out on the discussion!
Sign up to be notified of new comments on this topic.
Post a comment
Posting an item on Town Square is simple and requires no registration. Just complete this form and hit "submit" and your topic will appear online.
Please be respectful and truthful in your postings so Town Square will continue to be a thoughtful gathering place for sharing community information
We prefer that you use your real name, but you may use any "member" name you wish.
Select your neighborhood or school community: * Not sure?
- Barron Park
- Charleston Gardens
- Charleston Meadows
- College Terrace
- Community Center
- Crescent Park
- Downtown North
- Duveneck/St. Francis
- Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
- Esther Clark Park
- Evergreen Park
- Greater Miranda
- Green Acres
- Greendell/Walnut Grove
- Leland Manor/Garland Drive
- Meadow Park
- Monroe Park
- Old Palo Alto
- Palo Alto Hills
- Palo Alto Orchards
- Palo Verde
- South of Midtown
- St. Claire Gardens
- The Greenhouse
- Triple El
- University South
- Woodland Ave. area (East Palo Alto)
- Addison School
- Barron Park School
- Duveneck School
- Egan Middle School (Los Altos)
- El Carmelo School
- Escondido School
- Fairmeadow School
- Gunn High School
- Hoover School
- JLS Middle School
- Jordan Middle School
- Juana Briones School
- Nixon School
- Ohlone School
- Palo Alto High School
- Palo Verde School
- Santa Rita (Los Altos)
- Terman Middle School
- Walter Hays School
- another community
- Another Palo Alto neighborhood
- East Palo Alto
- Los Altos
- Los Altos Hills
- Menlo Park
- Mountain View
- Portola Valley
Verification code: *
Enter the verification code exactly as shown, using capital and lowercase letters, in the multi-colored box.
Is Coffee a Date?
By Laura Stec | 23 comments | 1,870 views
"the Summit" (CompPlan): Forewarned is Forearmed
By Douglas Moran | 24 comments | 1,089 views
Gratitude, Repairing and Avoiding Affairs
By Chandrama Anderson | 0 comments | 833 views
Home & Real Estate
Shop Palo Alto
Send News Tips
Circulation & Delivery
Mountain View Voice
© 2015 Palo Alto Online
All rights reserved.