"if youíve got a business, you didnít build that." Issues Beyond Palo Alto, posted by Jerome, a resident of East Palo Alto, on Sep 3, 2012 at 2:08 pm
This quote, by Obama, is emblematic of what he believes. The truth is that businesses ARE built by the risk-takers. It is THEIR profits that provide the jobs, which provide the incomes and taxes to build the roads and bridges and schools. Most people who use those roads and bridges are NOT risk-takers.
The victims of of the American k-12 education system don't begin to understand how they have been had. It is a near miracle that busineeses still form in this country, given the Obama hate on them.
Posted by talking points, a resident of the Green Acres neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Cheesy far right fringe right wing talking point/falsehood:
The ignorant among them cannot hasten the stamina to read the whole quote:
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If youíve got a business. you didnít build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didnít get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we donít do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. Thatís how we funded the GI Bill. Thatís how we created the middle class. Thatís how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. Thatís how we invented the Internet. Thatís how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and thatís the reason Iím running for president Ė because I still believe in that idea. Youíre not on your own, weíre in this together.Ē"
Posted by talking points, a resident of the Green Acres neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2012 at 2:36 pm
the rest of the context and quote did not paste correctly:
"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didnít -look, if youíve been successful, you didnít get there on your own. You didnít get there on your own. Iím always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something Ė there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there."
Posted by Romney family was RICH, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Romney's family was RICH. He started from a safe, big bankaccount family. Now he pretends he did it himself. More lies, repeated till they sound true. His father was
George Wilcken Romney was an American businessman and Republican Party politician. He was chairman and president of American Motors Corporation from 1954 to 1962, the 43rd Governor of Michigan from 1963 etc. (Wikipedia)
Posted by Jerome, a resident of East Palo Alto, on Sep 3, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Most people who travel down the same roads and bridges as those who take a risk, and build it on their OWN, don't take a risk. Even if they have a good education, paid by Daddy.
George Romney, a self-made man, produced a family that understood his values of hard work and sacrifice. Mitt also built it on his own.
Obama is an example of an enabled kid. He was helped all the way down the line, especially by white people, and he ended up being bitter. I understand this pseudo-identiy issue all too well. It is the kind of whining that keeps so many people in their place on the Democrat plantation.
Liberation, for all races in this country, is to take a risk in a legimiate business. Work your butts off. No excuses.
Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2012 at 4:50 pm
I don't like getting involved in political debates, but this one makes me.
Of course we understand what Obama says, but he is wrong. Of course the bridges and roads, schools and internet, are built from enterprise and free for all (or for a fee) but it is what we do with it that counts.
In a classroom everybody has the chance of getting a good grade. But the ones who get the best grade are the ones who work the hardest.
We can all use a bridge, but it might take us to different places. We can all use the societal infrastructure, but it is only those who have aspirations, those who have goals, those who are willing to take risks and those who are working above and beyond the basic level who will succeed. We can't all magically succeed without first putting in the required effort. We can't all magically astound above the rest unless we are using our own gray matter and elbow grease.
Those who succeed and amaze, generally start lower down the ladder than where they start. It is what they do with what they have that makes the difference. Obama appears to be saying that everyone is reponsible for the success of our mighty companies. I doubt if Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckenberg, to name 3, would agree.
Posted by talking points, a resident of the Green Acres neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2012 at 5:27 pm
All their success was partially dependant on those that came before them:
Gates: ripped off the CPM OS
Jobs: would not have built the Apple or Apple II without someone building the first microprocessor, which you can trace back to government support for technology as one of it's biggest customers in the 50's and 60's.
Zuckenberg? Darpa, arpanet, government funded led to the Net and eventaully the WWW.
They obviously are/were great innovators on their own right. They all went to public schools, on public roads, etc..
"In a classroom everybody has the chance of getting a good grade."
A good drade in Belle Haven vs a good grade at Romneys elite prep school. Who goes farther? Who had more help? Who had more opportunity?
Posted by Bill Martin, a resident of Menlo Park, on Sep 3, 2012 at 6:02 pm
resident: did you even read the passage???
"Obama appears to be saying that everyone is reponsible for the success of our mighty companies."
That's reading it with your blinders on. Take them off and reread it.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If youíve got a business. you didnít build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didnít get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
The difference between Obama and Romney isn't this statement. The difference is that Romney wants to go back to the Bush/Cheney policies that lead to Bush's Great Recession.
Romney supports the Bush policies that lead to millions of jobs lost in the last quarter of 2008 and millions more in the first quarter of 2009. 8 Million jobs lost from Bush's Great Recession.
Obama has created 4.5 million jobs in the last 29 months.
America cannot afford a return to Bush/Cheney policies.
Posted by Jerome, a resident of East Palo Alto, on Sep 3, 2012 at 6:48 pm
My mohter provided me with breast milk. I appreciate her efforts and sacrfices, but is she owed credit for the business I built, including the years of 18 hours days? She also nursed my three brothers, and they built nothing. We all travelled over the same roads and bridges and we all went to the same schools.
I DID build it on my own! It is absurd of Obama to suggest that I did not.
Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Yes, I did read it.
I don't dislike Obama, but he definitely mispoke here.
A great teacher teaches many students. Do they all build a great business?
Yes there are opportunities for us all out there and we are all entitled to use them. Problem is that most don't. It is the ones who use all that is there above and beyond the mundane which make the successful new businesses.
A kid can come home from school and sit and play video games, eat dinner, do homework and go to bed. Another can practice sport after school for a couple of hours before going to tryouts, then go home, have dinner, worry if he has made the team, do homework, go to bed never having had the phone call he desired. A third can come home from school, start mowing lawns or whatever, do an excellent job, employ younger kids to help with the clippings, etc., get paid, pay his employees, go home, eat dinner, do homework, work out which mower to buy at the best deal to expand his business, which younger kids to ask if they want to join him, which neighborhood to expand into, go to bed and dream of the next business venture.
Do all have the same opportunities? Do all have the same chance of success? Can the great teacher take credit for the unlikely success of the sport hopeful, or the more likely success of the entrepeneur with the mowing business.
Obama is trying to take away the hard work and enterprise of those with successful businesses. Just because someone had a great teacher does not automatically turn them into a great business entrepeneur.
People who build their own businesses do take advantage of all the teaching and other benefits they have. But to take away their vision, their hard work, their enterprise, is questioning their ability on what they have done by their own ideals. Taking away their ideals and giving credit to what society has given to back us all up, is taking away their souls, their dreams and their sacrifice to make their own dreams come true.
Posted by Bob the builder, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2012 at 7:08 pm
"It is absurd of Obama to suggest that I did not. " Another person makes an absurdity of what the President said! Try reading it! Now I get why being a teacher must be so frustrating.
"My mohter provided me with breast milk." I owe my mother more than I can ever repay. Sorry you don't think much of yours or your siblings. I wonder what they would post in an anonymous blog?
"I DID build it on my own! " So you claim. Tell us what it is you claim to have built.
Mitt Romney's family gave him a stock portfolio and access to Cranbrook, the most elite prep school in the country, access to harvard, and access to his fathers's rolodex.
Romney is a great business man, at least great at making money while building or bankrupting businesses and sending jobs overseas. He can prove it by doing what EVERY president does -- releasing his tax returns for 12 years, like his father, the man who built Mitt.
Bush was the first "CEO president". Why on earth would we want a failed governor turned vulture capitalist as a leader of anything more than a hedge fund?
Posted by Appreciative, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2012 at 7:11 pm
I stand on the shoulders of giants. Those who ignore the contribution of those that came before, of the helpmates that make focus possible, and of the community resources that frame and support our upbringing and that of those with whom we collaborate are kidding themselves.
Posted by Twilight Zone, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Sep 3, 2012 at 10:23 pm
So here's a thought question: what would the economy have been like if McCain were elected?
Or, what if McCain were elected and the economy was performing exactly how it is now. Would Republicans admit that McCain was a "failure" and that another change was needed? Or would they argue that things just need a little more time?
It is absolutely true that Obama's promises on the economy have not been met. But is that more because of the poor state of the economy or because his promises were oversold? In other words, given the state of the world wide economy these past few years, is there any reasonable expectation that it could possibly be better?
"The ADP National Employment Report said private employers added 176,000 jobs last month, more than the 105,000 economists had forecast."
Sharon also neglects to mention how the republicans have obstructed Obama from day 1. Mitch McConnell clearly stated that the goal of the republicans was to prevent Obama from being reelecetd, regardless of the aid it gives to the enemies of the US and the suffering it causes the american people.
Why do the republicans hate america? Why does Romney and his sons serve the Mormon empire, but have refused to serve in the military?
Posted by Perspective, a resident of the Greater Miranda neighborhood, on Sep 4, 2012 at 6:11 am
Jerome and Resident: Well said. Bottom line is that without the taxes paid by successful PRIVATE businesses and the people they employ, none of "that" would have been built. Cuba, Venezuela, Europe, Russia, Japan and Mexico all have roads, bridges, and internet..I don't see booming economies there, only death spiral economy.
We all have the same roads available to travel, it is what we do with our choices that make the difference. THAT aknowledgement is the difference between an Obama ( Dem) and a Romney (Repub). I will take the one who is most likely to "allow" me to succeed or fail on my merit, with kudos due where kudos are due.
Posted by talking points, a resident of the Green Acres neighborhood, on Sep 4, 2012 at 8:19 am
Want a successful economy?
Go back to the proven Democratic solution. Sorry, the GOP has never proved it can run a great economy. Talk about it, yes. Prove it? No. THe best economy in our lifetimes, the only budget surpluses in our lifetime came from the Democratic Party -- Bill Clinton.
Allow all Bush tax cuts to expire, cut Defense spending back to 2001 levels. Get out of the middle east now. Repeal Medicare part D.
Viola'! Balanced Budget. Return to Clinton spending and Clinton tax rates. Return to the economy that created 23 million new jobs.
Romney just wants more tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires and wants to increase spending on defense. Romney will balloon the deficit.
Posted by Perspective, a resident of the Greater Miranda neighborhood, on Sep 4, 2012 at 8:26 am
If you can convince the left to cut our spending to 1.8 trillion like we spent in 1998, I will convince the right to go back to that tax level. We will have to fight over where the tax revenue goes, but it will be a huge step forward.