I will vote for Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan Issues Beyond Palo Alto, posted by Jeff, a resident of the Palo Verde neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Let me begin by saying that I strongly request the editors to leave this thread open to all responders, anonymous or named, members of the site or not. I am not afraid of a broad cross secton of opinions.
I support Romney/Ryan, because I want the economy to improve. 8% unemployment is NOT a mark of competence. Neither is $16T in debt, with no end in sight. I also am an adult, and I can take the truth about our entitlements, especially Medicare.
I do NOT believe we can print money, as a way out of this mess.
Romney and Ryan are adults with competence. We deserve their leadership.
Posted by Anon., a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2012 at 2:28 pm
And who cares about who you vote for ... is it news or informative ... or anything really important to the public ? I think not, so why not post an actual essay of how you understand the issues in an objective way that will promote discussion instead of just who you will vote for. Really? Who cares? You might even make Mitt Romney look worse for having followers who are so oblivious?
Posted by Anon., a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Ditto to Stephen Levy, but who at least makes a case.
I think the best framing of the election came last night with AP reporter Ben Feller interviewed President Obama who very eloquently responded to questions that were politely asked and well responded to.
Here is what President Obama said that I think tells one all they need to know this cycle:
“' 'He [Romney] has embraced an approach we've tried for almost a decade and it didn't work, and now he wants to double-down it it .... ''
Posted by Jeff, a resident of the Palo Verde neighborhood, on Aug 26, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Anon, thanks for your reply. I am just another citizen making my choice known. I provided a couple of substantial issues for my choice of Romney and Ryan (e.g. national debt and Medicare). I could provide many more, however, I prefer to let others make their own subtantial arguments, in their own words. Would you care to give it a try?
Posted by That User Name is already, a resident of another community, on Aug 27, 2012 at 11:17 am That User Name is already is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online
Jeff provided "a couple of substantial issues" Let's take a look.
- "because I want the economy to improve" Then why vote Republican? They wreck economies. Look at what Bush did to the great Clinton economy. 23 million new jobs under Clinton. Two budget surpluses. All Bush gave us was the Great Recession, which we are still digging out of.
- "8% unemployment is NOT a mark of competence." No. Nor is Bush losing 800,000 jobs in January, 2009 and the millions of jobs lost before and just after that. President Obama has turned around the Bush job loss disaster with 27 months of private sector job growth resulting in 4 million new jobs.
See the monthly job growth chart for 2008 forward: Web Link It clearly shows Obama's COMPETENCE in turning around the Bush disaster, without any assistance from the House republicans.
- "Neither is $16T in debt, with no end in sight" Good. We agree. Let's go back to Clinton balanced budgets. Cut the Defense spending back to 2001 levels (half of where it is now.) In fact cut ALL spending back to Clinton levels and return to Clinton tax rates. Viola! Balanced budget.
Otherwise, quit whining. You never complained when Reagan tripled the national debt or Bush doubled the national debt. You didn't complain when Bush tax cuts for billionaires destroyed the balanced budgets Clinton gave us. The rest of the world thinks the US debt is sustainable, that's why they all park their money in the US at historically low interest rates.
- "I also am an adult, and I can take the truth about our entitlements, especially Medicare" Wow. You really went out on the limb with that declaration, didn't you?
You want a voucher coupon rather than Medicare as we now know it? Okay, go for it. Have fun shopping for health insurance when you are 70, with a coupon. And get turned down for the pre-existing condition, called "being 70".
The rest of us? We value Medicare. We value responsible, balanced government. We do not want a return to the disastrous Bush policies that Romney/Ryan support, with all the Bush/Cheney cronies on the Romney team. Why do we want to give the car keys back to the idiots who drove us into a ditch? America deserves better.
A shorter, more succinct explanation?
“ '[Romney] has embraced an approach we've tried for almost a decade and it didn't work, and now he wants to double-down it it .... "
Posted by bru, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Sep 27, 2012 at 8:47 am bru is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online
Bizarre thinking would be to compare Rommey's tax rate with most Americans when he is not most Americans, he is a multi-millionaire many times over probably will make over a billion dollars in his lifetime.
Why would we want someone as President who thinks someone who benefits from our system to that extent should pay less than other WHO CAN PAY TAXES?
Much easier to fault a guy also who can whip up this kind of enthusiasm:
Posted by That User Name is already, a resident of another community, on Sep 28, 2012 at 9:04 am That User Name is already is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online
The last vestige of of the die hard fringe still thinks Romney has a chance, when he's been fatally behind in the swing states for months. A guy who has been running for president for 8 years, yet has to revamp his campaign every couple weeks to REINTRODUCE himself?!?
Romney needs to come clean and do what his father did - release a dozen years of his tax returns. We need to know if the rumors of years of no taxes being paid are true. As his daddy said, anyone can clean up a year or two of returns - after all, Mitt's had a dozen years knowing he was going to run, a dozen years to hid the Swiss bank accounts, the tax havens in the Cayman Islands, etc..
Mitt demanded 10 years from Paul Ryan to properly vet Ryan.
Why won't Mitt let the American people vet Mitt Romney?
What is Mitt hiding?
Perspective: Mitt did not take the full charitable deduction to his church in his 2011 return, just to keep his rate above 10%. He will go back after the election and refile and move it down to 10%.
When so many of us pay more than 10%, why is it fair that Mitt pays so little?
Posted by Perspective, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Sep 29, 2012 at 6:45 am Perspective is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online
That User: As a matter of fact, not any longer..My rate is far less now that I lost my business and am bankrupt. I am not driven by envy, I am driven by what WORKS. When I made a lot of money, I paid more in taxes AND gave a lot to charity AND hired people.
Trickle down wealth works, but now I am part of the trickle up poverty.
Won't it be great when all the "rich" are like me? We will all be equal then, and you will be happy. Of course, there won't be any money to donate or pay taxes with, but hey, at least we will all be equally poor.
Posted by bru, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Sep 29, 2012 at 12:29 pm bru is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online
>> I am driven by what WORKS.
Apparently NOT, when it comes to Romney/Ryan, there is really no history, logic or planned strategy or program they are suggesting that has any credibility of they would have far more support than they do.
The people who yell the loudest for Romney/Ryan seem to have no real arguments, they merely seem driven by Republican rhetoric and animus towards Obama.
When you had a business and made money perhaps was during Republican administrations and like a lucky rabbit's foot you associate success with Republican policies such as trickle down, supply side economics, but as most studies of supply side show it does not work as a policy, though there may be some measurable amount of jobs created that way, it is not a scalable solution to the whole economy, PLUS it creates an ENTITLED class of people who feel they can do whatever they want that corrupts the rule of law, and creates an economic divide and an undemocratic vicious political divide driven by corruption and cronyism, far worse than the supposed dependent on the government for help class that have nothing else.
Now, turning to the Obama side, Obama has not contrary to Republican claims imposed socialism or Islam on the country, he has not overstepped his mandate, in fact he has done much less than Bush did with less of a mandate ... since he did not even have a mandate. Obama has been fairly bipartisan and conservative, that's part of his problem, but he has been a fair caretaker of the country while the not to bright American people take their sweet time trying to figure out what we want for our country.
Do we want to re-learn all the lessons of 100 years ago, about disparities in wealth and fascism, or do we want to move ahead with the policies begun by FDR that defined out nation and worked for 40 years, despite the recent attempts by Republicans to re-write history? Now it looks as though Americans are having second thoughts on a Republican party that seems to have lost all contact with reality and seems to think they can manipulate the election with money or try to steal it by jiggering voting machines.