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Original post made by Ted Rudow III, MA on Jun 12, 2012

The U.S. is trying to blame Cuba's poverty and troubles and everything else on Fidel Castro, when for 50 years the U.S. has devastated Cuba through American sanctions and embargoes. Before Castro took over, the U.S. was Cuba's closest and biggest trading partner, and Cuba used to supply the U.S. with sugar, coffee, tourism and a lot of things. American men would go to Cuba to visit the prostitutes there. But Castro got rid of the prostitutes and Fulgencio Batista, who was the dictator and a bad guy.



The U.S. was happy to recognize Castro until he started nationalizing all the industries, businesses and plantations of the rich. The U.S. thought the embargoes and the sanctions would work, that it would starve Castro and his supporters out. They didn't work, so the U.S. then began to fight Cuba and helped some Cuban exiles stage the Bay of Pigs invasion under John F. Kennedy, which became a laughingstock because they lost so badly.



The beginning of the revolution has been the victim of terrorist attempts organized and perpetrated by terrorist groups of Cubans based in Miami. They have confessed their crimes, even in books that have been published and in interviews on television. But they have not been brought to justice. However, Cuba has more than 5,000 victims of state terrorism between the dead and the wounded. Thus, as a society, as a sovereign nation, we have the right to defend ourselves, and we do it peacefully. It's hurting the poor of Cuba more than anybody.



Ted Rudow III, MA

Comments (67)

Posted by D Pepp, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 12, 2012 at 2:36 pm

Mr Rudow

With your post, methinks your political career in Florida is over.

Jes' saying...

It's atrocious that the world's largest economy has devastated an island nation just 90 miles away, while we trade openly with Communist China and Vietnam.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 12, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Simple litmus test: Cuba agrees to let its people come and go, without Communist brutality sanctions, including torture and death. No more third degree sunburns in the Florida waters, as hopeless Cubans decide to leave. No more sharks. No more drownings. No more repression. Individual freedom. In other words, no more socialism.

Then the USA agrees to lift the travel/trade ban.


Posted by D Pepp, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 12, 2012 at 3:02 pm

"Simple litmus test: Cuba agrees to let its people come and go, without Communist brutality sanctions, including torture and death."

Too funny, Gary.

Simple litmus test: CHINA agrees to let its people come and go, without Communist brutality sanctions, including torture and death.

to quote mittens, Gary: 'You know what, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander'


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 12, 2012 at 3:37 pm

Cuban people, 90 miles from our own shores, need to be free. Castro can just admit that socialism is dead, before he dies. Then free his people.

The various "Fair Play for Cuba" leftists, in America, especially Palo Alto, need to admit how wrong they were/are. Remember them...they used to stand at the corner of Town & Country, with their signs. Don't see them anymore, once Reagan beat them, ideologically.

China is a geo-strategic issue, involving the now former Soviet Union. China also has geo-political scale. Cuba does not, anymore. All that is left for Cuba is to free its own people. It is a nice island to visit, and it would be even better if its peoples were free. Imagine if your waiter in a Havana restaurant smiled at you, because he actually felt like it...instead of looking over his shoulder to make sure that the state police did not detect that he wasn't.

"Socialismo o muerto " is a dead phrase. Castro should just give it up. Palo Alto socialists can encourage him to say it, if they are willing. Are you? Note: It might be a 12-step program, but you can do it!


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 12, 2012 at 4:47 pm

Cuba has not posed a threat to the US since Kennedy humiliated Khrushchev in 1962 and put the USSR on its road to extinction. The sanctions are only a sop to our Nervous Nellie right wingnuts.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 12, 2012 at 4:59 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

One might also add restitution for the "nationalized" industries [including prostitution, restarted under Fidel] with compensation to owners for 50 years of lost profits.


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 12, 2012 at 5:08 pm



Cuba was a missile base for nukes from the USSR.

Che was a mas murderer and psychopathic thug--he is still a hero to the left.

The left still believes the communist Ches lies-stupid.

However-

-USSR is long gone and it is probably time to lift sanctions on Cuba-

They did deal effectively with their HIV/AIDs problem early through quarantines etc and they have a tiny problem now-

-contrast that with the HIV/AIDs disaster in Haiti

Time to lift the sanctions on Cuba and let US tourists go their

-at least it will not give us a public health problem.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 12, 2012 at 5:34 pm

"Time to lift the sanctions on Cuba..."

US conservatives will never allow that.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 12, 2012 at 5:47 pm

Cuba poses a continuing threat to its own people. Time for Castro to give it up. Castro is still proping up socialists, all over the Americas, including Chavez in Venezuela.

The local question is: When will PA socialists admit their ideological errors? The only fair play to the Cuban people is individual freedom.


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 12, 2012 at 5:53 pm


Before Castro Cuba was a haven for US organized crime-drugs-gambling-prostitution-etc

If we lift sanctions on tourism etc it will revert to those vices

Better to have them off shore and contained-as opposed to infecting the US.

We are Conservatives and we support the end of sanctions on Cuba

better to keep the vices quarantined off shore there--with modern home land security tracking systems we can ensure that the organized crime-drugs-gambling-prostitution-etc does not blow back to home land USA

We should look at Cuba as a quarantine island for vice

Castro will be dead soon-antique car collectors are eager to go there

End the sanctions and quarantine the Cuban crime and diseases


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 12, 2012 at 6:03 pm

>If we lift sanctions on tourism etc it will revert to those vices

Maybe, or not. A free people can decide own their own vices. Las Vegas, anyone? Bunny ranch(es)?

Once Cuba gets free of socialism, there will be a bunch of free stuff going on there, just like here. The seminal word is 'free'.

PA lefties have a lot to apologize for.


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 12, 2012 at 6:12 pm

Again with the " lefties".


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 12, 2012 at 6:40 pm

>Again with the " lefties".

Who else, in Palo Alto? The 'Fair Play for Cuba' gang, in PA, was/is guilty of supporting murder and slavery in Cuba. They are all lefties.

BTW it is the same gang that defended Alger Hiss, a Communist spy against our country. I know the leftists, and their lies...that is one reason why I left them.

Cuba should be free! Castro could give one more speech, and make it happen, before he dies. All he needs to do is to admit that he was wrong.






Posted by svatoid, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 12, 2012 at 7:11 pm

Again with the " lefties" and I used to be a leftist.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 12, 2012 at 7:26 pm

>Again with the " lefties" and I used to be a leftist.

Why not? It is my true confession. I am ashamed to admit it, but it is true. I completely understand the Left. That is why I, finally, rejected them.

When will you come around? Hint: Grow a brain, then admit that you are part of mass murder and slavery (aka: socialism). Then join me, and many others, calling for freedom in Cuba (in this case).


Posted by D Pepp, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 12, 2012 at 8:10 pm

Gary:

You seem to have neglected my answer to your odd 'litmus test':

- "Simple litmus test: Cuba agrees to let its people come and go, without Communist brutality sanctions, including torture and death."

- Simple litmus test: CHINA agrees to let its people come and go, without Communist brutality sanctions, including torture and death.

to quote mittens, Gary: 'You know what, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander'

You don't really have an answer for all the Chinese made products you own that are from a country with "Communist brutality sanctions, including torture and death."

Was expecting more. Too bad you have nothing beyond glib.


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 12, 2012 at 8:28 pm

Again with the " lefties" and I used to be a leftist and " grow a brain". I see a pattern here.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2012 at 9:40 am

Help me on this one, Gare: You claim Ronald Reagan brought down the Soviet Union and its whole Evil Empire. Why didn't he liberate Cuba too? Why did Reagan toss the Cubans to the Commies?


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2012 at 11:50 am

> Why did Reagan toss the Cubans to the Commies?

He didn't. Castro shot his way into power. Cuba became a socialist slave state, and it was helped along by various other socialist bedfellows, like the Soviet Union, Western Europe, Canada, Venezuela, etc.

After Reagan defeated the Soviet Union (without an invasion), the Cuban slave state toppled, but did not fall. The state security internal apparatus in Cuba makes it almost impossible for the masses of the people to rise up against Cuban socialism. Then his socialist friends came to his aid. Castro was also forced to open up resorts on his beaches, for $$; he was clever though: He would attract the tourists, inlcuding U.S. citizens that went through Mexico, and staff the resorts with state agents and state slaves...that is why the smiles are fake. Credulous tourists would come back home with Potemkin-Village stories of how good things are in Cuba. As Barnum said, a sucker is born every day. Or were they all as naive as Doris Lessing...or some of the posters on this thread?

Back to the original theme of this thread: The USA is not hurting Cuba; socialist slavery is doing that. A free Cuba would become a properous place. The U.S. should lift the embargo, when Cuba is free, not before.


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 13, 2012 at 11:53 am

" Or were they all as naive as Doris Lessing...or some of the posters on this thread?"
So besides the usual "lefities", "I used to be a leftist" and "grow a brain", we no whave the suggestion that if you do not completely agree with Gary you are "naive".
I see a pattern here--found in every thread from Gary.


Posted by D Pepp, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm

GAry: - Simple litmus test: CHINA agrees to let its people come and go, without Communist brutality sanctions, including torture and death.

You don't really have an answer for all the Chinese made products you own that are from a country with "Communist brutality sanctions, including torture and death."

Was expecting more. Too bad you have nothing beyond glib.

Gary goes to Starbucks and puts to his own lips a Communist Chinese coffee mug. Eats food at MacDonalds that arrives in wrapper printed in Communist China. Replaces a part in his car with a 3rd party item made in Communist China. Last night used a flashlight made in Communist China.

And on and on... Gary's hypocrisy is exceeded only by those here that censor some folks for insulting others, yet they leave Gary's insults up on the thread.

Grow a brain?


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2012 at 12:57 pm

Aw c'mon Gary. If Reagan could topple the Evil Empire without an invasion, he could have dusted Castro off the map with the merest wave of his right hand. But he chose to leave the Cuban people enslaved under the Communist bootheel. How come?

In 2003 Bush 43 could have stuffed Castro into the dumpster and liberated millions of Cubans from brutal Commie tyranny on his way to Iraq. But he let that Communist terrorist nest remain just 90 miles from our shores. How come?


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2012 at 1:10 pm

>So besides the usual "lefities", "I used to be a leftist" and "grow a brain", we no whave the suggestion that if you do not completely agree with Gary you are "naive".

I always atempt to tell the truth. If the shoe fits....

Back on topic: Is Cuba hurting because of the U.S. embargo, or because it is a socialist slave state? Political/economic science 101 guys...grow a brain and do you homework. Here is a beginning question for you, especially if you are a college sophomore: Why did socialism fail?


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 13, 2012 at 1:17 pm

"I always atempt to tell the truth. If the shoe fits...."
No, Gary, you have not told the truth, you have expressed your opinion of other posters, using terms that would be deleted had they been posted by someone other then you, as D Pepp points out (must be because you and you know who are fellow travelers)

Gary, also why don't you answer the questions put to by D Pepp, Paul and others. After all, you want to build a monument in DC to the man who left Cuba enslaved.
My take is that the Cuban refugees in Miami want things to remain as they are--if Cuba becomes free, they will lose their political power here in the US--with Cuba free, politicians will no longer have to kowtow to them.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2012 at 2:05 pm

>Gary, also why don't you answer the questions put to by D Pepp, Paul and others

I feel no compulsion to answer all questions targeted at me.

This thread is about "hurting Cuba". I explain it in truthful terms.

China should also let its people come and go (they do for many elites, unlike Cuba); however, China is a huge geo-strategic entity. Nixon crafted a deal with them, and it is slowly working its way through. I am not a purist.

Back on topic: Castro needs to free his people, before he dies. Our local lefties, like those on this thread, need to demand it in the public sphere. Will you? The Cuban people have hurt enough!


Posted by D Pepp, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 13, 2012 at 2:14 pm

Gary: don't worry, it wasn't a question; you couldn't answer it anyway, as it requires astute debate on your part, not your typical "grow a brain" glibness.

It was highlighting Gary's BLATANT HYPOCRISY.

Gary - "Simple litmus test: Cuba agrees to let its people come and go, without Communist brutality sanctions, including torture and death."

Gary's Hypocrisy - Simple litmus test: CHINA agrees to let its people come and go, without Communist brutality sanctions, including torture and death.

Gary, in past threads, praised Communist China.

Gary goes to Starbucks and puts to his own lips a Communist Chinese coffee mug. Eats food at MacDonalds that arrives in wrapper printed in Communist China. Replaces a part in his car with a 3rd party item made in Communist China. Last night used a flashlight made in Communist China. And on and on...


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 13, 2012 at 2:14 pm

"I feel no compulsion to answer all questions targeted at me."
Let's clarify, Gary, you feel no compulsion to answer any questions put to you, since you really cannot give a lucid answer. But you have no problem asking loaded questions.

"This thread is about "hurting Cuba". I explain it in truthful terms."
You explained it in your terms.

"Our local lefties, like those on this thread, need to demand it in the public sphere. "
Again with the " lefties"

Of course the question is when the republicans controlled the white house, why didn't the righties, like Gary, demand that cuba be liberated. And why do the "local lefties" need to demand it???


Posted by D Pepp, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 13, 2012 at 2:17 pm

Now that IS a good question: Bush had COMPLETE CONTROL for years - House, Senate, executive and SCOTUS.

What did Bush do?

Gary - your hypocrisy knows no bounds.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2012 at 2:33 pm

>Of course the question is when the republicans controlled the white house, why didn't the righties, like Gary, demand that cuba be liberated. And why do the "local lefties" need to demand it???

The Republicans have almost always demanded that Cuba be free, and have consistently supported the economic embargo against Castro's socialist slave state. I fail to see the issue from the lefties on this thread... do you agree that Cuba should be free from socialist slavery? If not, why not?


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 13, 2012 at 2:47 pm

"he Republicans have almost always demanded that Cuba be free,"
demanded???? That's it??? When you had the man that destroyed the USSR? And the man who defeated Iraq??? (according to you) in power. And all you do is demand??? Why no invasion to free Cuba?
And then you blame the mythical "leftists?????

"I fail to see the issue from the lefties on this thread... do you agree that Cuba should be free from socialist slavery? If not, why not?"
Boy talk about a loaded question!!! Which, BTW, I feel no compulsion to answer all questions targeted at me.
But why not demand that China, Laos, Vietnam, Zimbabwe and all the rest of the dictatorships be freed???
I guess this is your cause de jour, Gary. Last week it was the Reagen monument in DC.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2012 at 3:56 pm

>do you agree that Cuba should be free from socialist slavery? If not, why not?"


It is not a loaded question, unless you want to argue that socialism is not slavery.

Should socialist Cuba become free?


Posted by D Pepp, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 13, 2012 at 4:27 pm

"The Republicans have almost always demanded that Cuba be free, and have consistently supported the economic embargo against Castro's socialist slave state."

Bush invaded a country that didn't attack us, 8,000 miles away at the expense of trillions along with 5,000 American lives. He did nothing about Cuba.

Why? Because a free Cuba means Florida turns blue. The GOP can't risk losing Florida. They can't win without it.

Quickest way to free Cuba, since Bush and Reagan didn't care to free it, is lift sanctions and let the Invisible hand of the Free Market do it's magic, just like it got rid of Evil Communists in China and Vietnam.

Oh...

Gary - go through your closet and check the labels on your cotton clothing yet? Much is made in Vietnam - their biggest export to Commie Consumers like you here in the good ol' USA.

Lots of of Evil Communists Clothing is caressing your skin, rubbing up against the soft spots, nestled against your bottom as you sit and type out your silly HYPOCRISY....

Hope the Commie Red rash isn't too bad.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2012 at 5:04 pm

>Quickest way to free Cuba, since Bush and Reagan didn't care to free it, is lift sanctions and let the Invisible hand of the Free Market do it's magic, just like it got rid of Evil Communists in China and Vietnam.

The problem is Castro and his socialist cohort, including the lefties on this thread. He is akin to Ho, Mao, Pol, Vlad, Joe, Adolf, etc. The second/third generation of socialists begin to grow a brain, and begin to realize that capitalism is freedom and prosperity for the masses.

Free Cuba! Then let the flowers bloom.


Posted by D Pepp, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 13, 2012 at 5:21 pm

Yup, just another Gary thread, with his best debate being "grow a brain".

Bush didn't do it. Reagan didn't do it.

Because they need Florida. Remove the sanctions and Cuba is free within a decade. No fuss, no muss. And the Cubans in Florida split their vote, which turns Florida blue.

Gary also can't answer the hypocrisy of Cuba, China, Vietnam, and all those Commie Cotton Clothes that rub him the wrong way.

You lost again Gary. We'll see you in a couple days when you come up with another bloviated red herring.


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 13, 2012 at 5:26 pm

Back to the old reliable " leftists" and " grow a brain ". Old standbys when Gary is put in a corner by intelligent questions. If I were him I would blame his heroes, bush and Reagen, for not freeing Cuba


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2012 at 5:37 pm

"The problem is Castro and his socialist cohort, including the lefties on this thread."

Here's how it works, guys. Legendary right wing Rambos like Ronald Reagan and W stride across the universe, shaking it under their boots, bending it to their iron wills. But pointy-headed, sandal-wearing, brie-nibbling, chardonnay-sipping liberals turn them to simpering mush.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 13, 2012 at 6:07 pm

> Remove the sanctions and Cuba is free within a decade.

There is no factual basis for that statement, but the lefties continue to believe it. If Cuba was already free, the sanctions would be gone. Cuba in not free.

Cuba does not lack for trade, it has plenty of it, from its socialist-leaning friends. Cuba needs freedeom, then it will become prosperous, and free, because its people will be individually liberated.

The lefties on this thread cannot handle the ideological challenge agaisnt socialism, because they still believe in that failed concept, no matter how many millions were murdered under its banner.

Sad.

Let's make it specific: Free Cuba; let the lefties drive the campaign. Where are they?


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 13, 2012 at 6:27 pm

we go with another Gary oldie but moldy, let the " lefties" drive the campaign. Sound familiar? Garys plan for the Reagen monument in DC.was supposed too be proposed by Boxer and pelosi. There is factual basis for Reagen and bush not freeing Cuba. Why does Gary assume that Cuba wants to dump Castro? Because his buddies in Florida say so? Kind of sad that Gary cannot admit that his heroes did nothing for Cuba.


Posted by D Pepp, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 14, 2012 at 9:30 am

" Remove the sanctions and Cuba is free within a decade....There is no factual basis for that statement"

Factual Statement: Socialists like Reagan and Bush did NOTHING to free Cuba.

Factual enough for ya?

Gary also doesn't trust Free Market solutions - like removing the sanctions and Cuba is free within a decade.

Gary's inner socialist doesn't trust the free market.

Gary also won't address Communist China, and the fact his tighty-whities are made in VietNam.

A little too tight, perhaps...


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 14, 2012 at 9:59 am

Take a clue, Gare. Chill.

If supertitans of the right like Reagan and W didn't care about liberating Cuba, why should you sweat it?


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 14, 2012 at 3:52 pm

Hey, lefties: Just demand that Castro gives one final speech, that frees his own individual citizens. Then Cuba will become free. Once Cuba is free, the U.S. embargo will end. Then Cubans all over the world will be happy.

The problem with lefties, in this coutnry and abroad, is that they will refuse to go against Castro, because he represents their own ideology.

Socialism is mostly dead, but still deadly. Yet, our local lefties still defend it. It is time for them to give up the ghost, and admit defeat. Then they can reeducate themselves, and help out the Cuban peoples.

I know, from personal experience, that it is hard thing to do, but it opens the mind to the truth, and is quite satisfying. You all could really help the Cubans, if you were willing to open your minds to the truth.


Posted by D Pepp, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 14, 2012 at 4:22 pm

"Hey, lefties: Just demand that Castro gives one final speech," Why? Bush didn't, Reagan didn't.

They don't want to lose Florida as a swing state.

Hey Gary: get Romney, Boenher, Ryan and Walker to denounce trade with Communist China and Vietnam.

Hypocrite.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 14, 2012 at 4:42 pm

"Just demand that Castro gives one final speech, that frees his own individual citizens."

Ronald Reagan said: "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall!" And The Wall came tumbling down.

If Ronald Reagan had said: "Mr. Castro, free your people!" the Cubans would be free and prospering today. But Ronald Reagan favored them not.

Thus it shall come to pass that I demand what Ronald Reagan deigned not: Mr. Castro, free your people!


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 14, 2012 at 4:44 pm

Are those Cubans free yet, Gary?


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 14, 2012 at 7:32 pm

>If Ronald Reagan had said: "Mr. Castro, free your people!" the Cubans would be free and prospering today. But Ronald Reagan favored them not.

Reagan sent such messages many times, over his career. It is beyond absurd to blame him.

The real question is why our local lefties are so reluctant to demand a speech of freedom from Castro. From my lefty days, I know the answer: They support Castro, because he leads their cause of socialism. He is one of their icons (don't forget Che!) They are quite willing to continue to throw the Cuban pople under the bus, because socialism must win. Nothing new.

The way to free Cuba is to demand that it be free.


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 14, 2012 at 7:50 pm

Really, Gary? When did Reagen say that? I hope you enjoy your little game where you blame the " lefties l for the fact that your heroes Reagen and bush did nothing to liberate Cuba. Too bad you care nothing for the Vietnamese and Chinese. I guess Cuba is your game de Jour. Last week it wad the Reagen monument in DC


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 14, 2012 at 10:35 pm

>Really, Gary? When did Reagen say that?

One example, easily found:

Web Link

Reagan did not threaten to invade Cuba, because he decided to keep with the Kennedy-Kruschev agreement. He went around it, and attacked Cuba by defeating them, and the Soviet Union in their various proxy wars (e.g. Central America and Grenada). He won.

Cuban people yearn to be free and prosperous, as Reagan stated. It remains a police state island, supported by crumbling old socialists and socialist states (and local socialist propagandists). It is only a matter of time until it finally falls, but probably not until the remaining socialist states decay away, as they are slowly doing.

Castro could do his people a great favor by admitting that he was wrong. The question, though, is whether our local lefties will encourage him to do so.


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 15, 2012 at 5:51 am

"One example, easily found:

Web Link"

Unfortunately Gary that link is from when Reagen was not president. Does not count. Reagen, your hero, abandoned the Cubans.

"He went around it, and attacked Cuba by defeating them"
So how come Cuba is not free if Regen defeated them????

"The question, though, is whether our local lefties will encourage him to do so."
What do the "lefties" have to do with it?? Looking for a scapegoat since your heroes Bushand Reagen abandoned Cuba?

Have you actually asked the Cuban people what they want? I doubt it.


Posted by Perspective, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 15, 2012 at 6:16 am

The whole point is ludicrous...hmm...lemme think..we have had free trade with no sanctions with Mexico for 50 years, and yet they are dirt poor..free trade with Canada, and not poor...hmm, ya think "free trade" isn't the whole story?

Not to mention every European country has had free trade with Cuba ( oh!! but it is so far from Europe!!!!). ..somehow Israel "so far" from all its trade partners in Europe and the USA manages to succeed.

Ya think it ain't just about "free trade"???


Posted by D Pepp, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 15, 2012 at 9:08 am

Perspective:

Sanctions against Cuba, what about Communist China and Vietnam?

China dwarfs all other countries in Human Rights violations.

Mitten's phrase 'You know what, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander' seems appropriate.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 15, 2012 at 9:42 am

Paul: "If Ronald Reagan had said: "Mr. Castro, free your people!" the Cubans would be free and prospering today. But Ronald Reagan favored them not."

Gary: "Reagan sent such messages many times, over his career. It is beyond absurd to blame him."

In that case Reagan was obviously powerless, a failed demigod.

But if Reagan really brought down the Evil Empire, how come he didn't stomp that pipsqueak in Cuba? Apparently he didn't want to. Or he wasn't the cause of the Soviet collapse. You cannot have it both ways.

"The real question is why our local lefties are so reluctant to demand a speech of freedom from Castro."

I did that yesterday, right here in this forum. Are the Cuban people free yet?




Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 15, 2012 at 12:01 pm

>I did that yesterday, right here in this forum. Are the Cuban people free yet?

> "Mr. Castro, free your people!"

Paul, good for you, as a start. It would be more convincing if you had added, "I do not support lifting the embargo against Cuba, until you free your people; then your free people will become prosperous"

Gotta give you credit, though, there is a sliver of light coming from a local lefty. Any other local lefties that want to make ammends? This could be a real tipping point....



Posted by svatoid, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 15, 2012 at 12:04 pm

Gary, you are so amusing. You are spinning so hard now, you will be dizzy for a week.
Gary's heroes abandoned Cuba and now he is trying to blame the "lefties".
Next thing you know, Gary will be blaming the "lefties" for the problems in College Terrace


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 15, 2012 at 12:22 pm

>Gary's heroes abandoned Cuba and now he is trying to blame the "lefties".

Reagan never abandoned Cuba, he always supported its freedom. He did not invade, choosing instead to stick with the Kennedy-Kruschev pact, but he defeated the evil empire that was propping up Cuba. He also liberated Grenada, which was a real burn for Castro. The left always supported socialist slavery on Cuba. Shame on them. Now is a good time for them to make ammends.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 15, 2012 at 12:26 pm

"Paul, good for you"

I did like you said, Gare. Are the Cuban people free yet?


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 15, 2012 at 12:32 pm

"Reagan never abandoned Cuba, he always supported its freedom. "
But he should have done a lot more. He brought down the Berlin Wall and destroyed the USSR--surely a small country like Cuba should not have been a problem for him. He abandoned Cuba. Period.

"but he defeated the evil empire"


"He did not invade, choosing instead to stick with the Kennedy-Kruschev pact"
He favored sticking with a pact written up by a "leftie" and a commie instead of freeing Cuba. Sounds like your hero was not the great man you make him out to be. No monument for him in DC.

"The left always supported socialist slavery on Cuba."
Looks like it was the right that have really kept Castro in business for years--reagen, the bushes etc.

"Shame on them. Now is a good time for them to make amends."
No, shame on you, Gary, for trying to scapegoat the "leftists" and for abandoning not only Cuba, but Vietnam, China and Laos.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 15, 2012 at 2:19 pm

Kennedy, a moderate leftie, pulled the plug on the invasion liberation of Cuba. It was called the Bay or Pigs. At that point, he was in deep water. If Reagan was president, back then, the invasion would have worked, due to major U.S. military support. Reagan was left with the detritus of the Kennedy decision, and the victory by Kruschev in the missle crisis (never understod how this one was spun by the leftist press).

Reagan decided to not up-end the Kennedy-Kruschev deal...he would just up-end the Soviet Union, without an invasion. Unfortunately, the residual lefties around the world came to the rescue of socialist slavery in Cuba. Very sad. History will not treat them well.


Posted by D Pepp, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 15, 2012 at 2:24 pm

Gary:

The right HAS NOT, and won't, do anything about Castro for fear of losing Florida.

The right, and you, support Communist China and Vietnam.

Address that, and then come back with your noise about Cuba.

So silly.


Posted by Laughing at Gary, a resident of College Terrace
on Jun 15, 2012 at 2:37 pm

Gary should take his revisionist history act on the road. It will play well in the south and among the rush limbaugh crowd. For now he can be ignored. His comments border on the ridiculous


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 15, 2012 at 3:05 pm

>I did like you said, Gare. Are the Cuban people free yet?

Not yet, Paul, but it is a start. I notice that the other local lefties have yet refused to take a minimal step, like you did. There is always hope that a brain is grown by the lefties, although I am not holding my breath.

The way to free Cuba is to have Castro free it, with whatever pressure the USA can provide. I hope you agree, Paul...you show some promise....


Posted by Laughing at Gary, a resident of College Terrace
on Jun 15, 2012 at 3:17 pm

What is with this "grow a Brain" comment that Gary is in love with? Has he ever posted on a thread without bringing it up? Talk about shooting blanks. Can he not accept that reagen was a traitor?


Posted by D Pepp, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 15, 2012 at 3:44 pm

The right HAS NOT, and won't, do anything about Castro for fear of losing Florida.

The right, and you, support Communist China and Vietnam. Address that, and then come back with your noise about Cuba.

When you sufficiently "grow a brain" (to use your extremely illiterate and childish terminology) to address that, let us know...


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 15, 2012 at 4:11 pm

Are the Cuban people free yet?


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jun 15, 2012 at 5:46 pm

>What is with this "grow a Brain" comment that Gary is in love with?

Oh, that is very simple: In order to connect the dots of reality, including Castro, lefties need to grow a brain. Once a brain is grown, the lefties can attempt to redeem themsleves. Without a grown brain, there is no hope. Paul seems to be at step one in the brain-growing process...he has some hope! Our other local lefties have a way to go...but there is always hope. After all, I was there, once....

I am here to help you lefties...been there....


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Midtown
on Jun 15, 2012 at 8:34 pm

Garys explanation of his " grow a Brain" l comment is shallow and empty as is most of his comments. Yet he still does not address the fact that his heroes, Reagen and bush refused to free Cubap


Posted by Perspective, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 16, 2012 at 6:47 am


Gary, I just learned that our brains do not finish its growth until the mid 20s for most folks, especially men ( sorry, true). We continue to add "connections" well into our 40s. There may be a good reason why as we age we grow conservative.

You are onto something with your "grow a brain" comment. "If you're not Liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not Conservative when you're 35, you have no brain." ( Possibly but disputably said by Churchill)


Posted by D Pepp, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jun 16, 2012 at 9:24 am

GAry has insufficiently grown his brain to address his hypocrisy. Neither, apparently, has Perspective.

The right HAS NOT, and won't, do anything about Castro for fear of losing Florida.

The right, and you, support Communist China and Vietnam. Address that, and then come back with your noise about Cuba.


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