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on May 16, 2012
Good job to everyone involved in this operation!
Keep up the good work!
The article says these gangsters were selling heroin in Palo Alto. Is there a heroin problem here? Who are the buyers? High school students? Stanford students? Random adults? Are the cops going to target the buyers as well as the sellers?
@buyers? I have to chuckle at your surprise that there is (gasp!)drug abuse in Palo Alto!
"Is there a heroin problem here?" YES, anywhere there is addiction there is a problem
"Who are the buyers?" Anyone. Addiction knows no "set group" it spans all levels of society.
"High school students?" Sure
"Stanford students?" Yes
"Random adults?" Of course
"Are the cops going to target the buyers as well as the sellers?" Users are arrested all the time, but nothing will treat the societal ills until they get help, usually ordered by the court.
Welcome to the real world that you never knew you lived in.
Cop - well said.
Our current fiscal troubles can be a short-cut to understanding the "problem."
demand = suppliers
No demand, no vendors (or suppliers.
You want to solve the "problem?" Legalize and regulate all substances.
This will allow users to be open and public without fear of incarceration and make it easier for friends and family to help them get help/
Reduce the stigma associated with having gotten help/
Reduce or eliminate the huge finacial gain of running drugs/
Provide a source of income to public coffers (now it is one of the biggest sources of drain insofar as the resources and manpower it takes to detect, arrest and incarcerate traffickers and users)/
De-escalate the arms and drug war on the US-Mexico border.
Staying with our tried and failed policies only will become a bigger problem and a never-ending trail of such arrests and operations because it is lucrative for those in the right place and who live liong enough to benefit from their crime, and good paying blue collar jobs that could compete with this life no longer exist in sufficient numbers for large parts of the male or female population to be able to support themselves with.
Sorry Palo ALto, I know we like to think of ourselves as better than, and more enlightened, but alas...
You are 200% right, but it will never happen.
Right-wingers aren't the reason, the criminal justice industry is the reason. Without the "fodder" they get from drug laws, their ranks could be cut by 25% or more.
They know it. They will never let it happen.
Buyers? - there is heroin at every level of society. As an expensive drug, a lot of wealthier people get hooked on it. People commit crimes to get the $$ to buy it. The majority of people I've known who were heroin users were:
-From middle class, upper middle class & well-off backgrounds
-They all lived on the peninsula
-Some smoked it, some used IVs
-All were addicts
-1 was a school teacher, 2 worked at a nightclub, 1 owned - & lost, a small business, the rest I don't know as it depended on if they were still using or not.
-Only 1 was actively using when I knew him. He was a beautiful young man who lived in Palo Alto. He was a friend of a friend & I found out later that he was a user. Dunno what happened to him.
I knew a lot of cocaine users in Palo alto as a teen here. Even though it was considered glamorous, I always thought of it as seedy & sleazy. We used to call Univ Ave "Coke Avenue" because of all the coke head teenagers who lived in the big houses.
Since your county is the hub for the local cartels, just realize that its users are scattered throughout Sili Valley.
Legalize drugs solve crime problem? Never! People who hurt others, commit murders, thefts- and so on- don't need drugs for an excuse to do wrong. There will always be evil on earth. Sure, I agree that less jail time and more social diversions/assistance for drug abusers, but to think that legalizing it is the answer is sorely misinformed. I heard from some one that legalization of hard drugs would "solve" the horrible number of murders in Mexico. Really?? Suddenly, those with no sense of morality would magically become wonderful caring human beings if only the drugs were legal.. do you see where I am going here? The issue is not that drugs are illegal- it's the fact that this so called War on Drugs is only a catch phrase. We COULD stop the drugs shipments coming in to the US.. we COULD stop the dealing. The real fact is, it's NOT being stopped. To lackadaisically decriminalize drugs is sadistic- the ones using it don't care if they're illegal, because they use them anyway. The sad fact is they end up dead with overdoses and other health problems, not to mention the psychological damages resulting from the use of drugs. Do NOT buy into the "legalize it" crowd, it's just plain wrong.
I know most of the people that got arrested. whats crazy is that they're making the main man sound like he was a real hardcore dealer, (lol,NOT!) when they're house is deteriorrating and aren't living in any way fabulous or whatever.. damn this situation got SO EXAGGERATED! Damn cops & media need to get on their $hit cause it's so much worse elsewhere.. not excusing the behavior but well, lo que sera sera.. o.O
We need a 2 track program
1 Death penalty for major dealers in possession of more than 1000 doses
the death penalty should occur within 90 days of conviction
2 A public heath approach for users if they declare the identity of the dealers.
You will never get a death penalty for the same reason DDee will never get drugs legalised.
Actually getting rid of criminals (real or imagined) would eliminate the need for much of the criminal justice industry.
They know it. They will never let it happen.
The anti-death penalty people argue that it is cheaper to jail a person for life than to put them to death. While that is true, they completely miss the point. The fact that it is cheaper is an indication of how we "sheeple" have allowed the criminal justice industry to hyjack our legal system for their own benefit, and to the detriment of society in general.
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