New Edgewood Plaza wins final approval Palo Alto Issues, posted by Editor, Palo Alto Online, on Mar 20, 2012 at 8:53 am
Edgewood Plaza, the only shopping area created by Palo Alto homebuilder Joseph Eichler, will soon welcome a new grocery store along with 10 homes and a small public park under a proposal the City Council approved Monday night.
Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, March 19, 2012, 11:56 PM
Posted by resident, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2012 at 9:49 am
How are they going to squeeze ten 2-story homes on that little lot? So these homes are going to be right next to 101? Doesn't seem appealing. Is there a link to the development plans somewhere that shows where these homes (and let's not forget the park) are going to be located?
Posted by Inga, a resident of the Triple El neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2012 at 10:46 am
Hurray! Can't wait to be able to walk to a closer store. At least it didn't take as long as the Alma Plaza site. Traffic will always be an issue in Palo Alto. People still want to move here. Just be more observant to what is going on around you. This isn't sleepy Palo Alto anymore, it is a vibrant community with lots of traffic and more people. Enjoy the diversity or move somewhere else.
Posted by Dennis, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2012 at 11:25 am
"10 two-story homes, designed in an Eichler style" - 2 story Eichler! "the "Eichler feeling" - flat and glassy comes to mind - nice on a suburban lot, but largely impossible to achieve in a crammed, townhouse space. I have a feeling that Eichler the innovator would find all this "Eichler feeling" business a bunch of nonsense. He'd probably wonder why the project couldn't come up with something modern and innovative circa 2012 to replace 1950s "modern and innovative."
Posted by Nearby resident, a resident of the Community Center neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2012 at 1:31 pm
I am thrilled! I'm so glad this finally got approved. I'm disappointed to read the few negative views some people have posted, but apparently there will always be someone who is unhappy. We really look forward to having a nice new grocery store at this location.
Posted by HB, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2012 at 1:54 pm
There is NO safe pedestrian access for half of the neighbors of this neighborhood center. Just north along West Bayshore are 90 homes, filled with children, who for lack of a path or sidewalk will walk to the new grocery and park on the road, dodging traffic.
The EIR failed to study this impact despite neighbors' writing, testifying, and holding site visits with planning and traffic staff, who agreed that a path or sidewalk was necessary for safe access.
And yet the EIR was certified and the project approved without making pedestrian access a condition of approval or as a public benefit. Staff estimated it could be seven years before a sidewalk is built. Surely the city and the developer can find a way to create at least a path so that children are not put at risk for the next seven years.
Posted by Steve Eittreim, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Patience has finally won out and we seem to be headed for a nice plaza which will be very useful to the community. We will no longer have to travel a mile for that missing kitchen ingredient. Hopefully many residents will now be able to sell that 2nd or 3rd car and take up the serious biking/pedestrian lifestyles that many of us crave. Now, if we can just get the city to re-instate the old 88 bus line up and down Channing Ave, then we will be really making progress in that LCH objective: Leave you Car at Home!
Posted by HB, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Mar 20, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Not sure if "anonymous"("So you propose leaving the shopping center - which already exists - derelict?") is responding to my comment above about the need for pedestrian access, but, for the record:
Residents of the 90 homes referenced submitted over 80 petitions and letters expressing enthusiastic support for the project AND requesting that a provision for pedestrian access be included.
There is no reason not to mitigate this impact to public safety--indeed the planning and transportation staff agreed it should be mitigated--except for funding. However, a park-like path with short posts, with reflectors, separating the path from the road would be inexpensive and quick and protect children while grants are sought.
Posted by Hmmm, a resident of East Palo Alto, on Mar 21, 2012 at 12:14 am
Musical - that's because they're in EPA; condos that replaced the 2 trailer parks, on the left as you head north on W. Bayshore.
So they just have to drive - we all do a lot if that, anyway. What's w/the stuff about kids, HB? So people can't send their kids to the store. Besides, where & how would they be able to build an easy, inexpensive sidewalk, as you mentioned? Would it be built along the easement/walkway that runs on the south side of the creek?
Also, if those condos were involved, how come more west siders weren't included?
Posted by Hmmm, a resident of East Palo Alto, on Mar 21, 2012 at 12:56 am
A mess? Seriously, Musical, what mess? So people will drive there instead of across the freeway or across town - no biggie. We'll get more traffic from the residents driving W. Bayshore- no fun, but c'est la vie. Maybe they'll give us more tax revenue eating at Three Brothers & The Four Seasons :-))
I don't get HB's tragic tone re kids & lack of sidewalk. What am I missing? [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]
It's odd that they'd even believe, in thus economy, that a different city would provide a sidewalk - but I don't have the full story.
Posted by musical, a resident of the Palo Verde neighborhood, on Mar 21, 2012 at 1:10 am
Hmmm -- our first comments crossed in the mail, but I waited this time. I guess those new condo residents feel they are a big step up from trailer parks. I'm not too familiar with that end of town, and hadn't considered PA's little neighborhood centers intended to reach across into other communities. I had the same thought about tax revenues, flowing the opposite direction.
I see mostly locals in Midtown or at Charleston Center, and in the old days Alma Plaza (at Meadow) before it went derelict and got replanned for high density housing. I never remember retail areas sitting vacant for so long in my youth.
Wouldn't it be nice to have easier pedestrian/bike access across the freeway into that Gateway 101 complex? Like maybe a bridge or tunnel from Newell and West Bayshore. Yeah, dreaming, but you never know what the government might earmark funding for.
Posted by hmm, a member of the Duveneck School community, on Mar 21, 2012 at 11:46 am
We're looking forward to the new shopping center, but "a park"? It's more like a pocket handkerchief with a bench on it. If you try to throw a ball in this "park," it's likely you'll break a window in one of the ten new houses....
Posted by Crescent Park Dad, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Mar 21, 2012 at 12:10 pm
W. Bayshore - no sidewalk. Apparently there has been no sidewalk for decades. Yes?
The section that has no sidewalk is PA, not EPA. But the logic of no sidewalk is pretty simple - all the homes along that stretch have their backyard fences up against W Bayshore - no driveways, no access points. The entry side of all those houses is on Edgewood.
To be fair - the city's failure to install sidewalks 40 years ago should not fall onto the developer to remedy. The city should solve this problem if they are so inclined.
Posted by anonymous, a resident of the Embarcadero Oaks/Leland neighborhood, on Mar 21, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Hundreds of homes have access to this center by their residents easily biking or walking down Channing, Embarcadero, or crossing over Embarcadero at Greer, etc.
Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood IS the neighborhood designation and I hope as many additional folks as possible can access the center, but SOME - from whatever direction - clearly have to drive, whether by reason of their location or for time constraints - and that includes people who may consider this a place to reasonably shop but who reside farther up Embarcadero, say, in Community Center neighborhood.
As I posted earlier, the shopping center has been there awhile, to put it mildly and objecting to the renovated center on the basis of W. Embarcadero Rd. and how it is setup - whether EPA or PA - is not a valid objection IMO.
Posted by YIMBY, a resident of the University South neighborhood, on Mar 21, 2012 at 4:16 pm YIMBY is a member (registered user) of Palo Alto Online
I appreciated the positive, uplifting comments by those who live in the neighborhoods near the new development - technically a redevelopment. Quite a coup you scored as this will be the first Fresh Market west of the Miss'.
One commenter responded to the naysayers with, "so what would you like, the market center to remain derelict?" Exactly. It's like so many other redevelopments - you have a choice between what the developer and council and PTC work out, or leaving it the way it is....
Posted by musical, a resident of the Palo Verde neighborhood, on Mar 21, 2012 at 6:47 pm
That "first Fresh Market west of the Mississippi" keeps getting repeated. Pardon my geography, but on their website I see 3 counter-examples in operation and two more pending, including a California location in Roseville.
Posted by Dog owner, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Mar 24, 2012 at 8:49 pm
We live two blocks from the Edgewood Plaza, and we're delighted that the city has finally got around to accepting a plan for this eyesore. We're really looking forward to having a grocery store in the neighborhood that we can bike to with the kids. How about a new dry cleaners, coffee shop, hair stylists, and hardware store too to make it a really useful neighborhood place? Great news.
Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Mar 25, 2012 at 2:00 am
This is good news--while the 10 townhouses are going to seem dense, it's a lot better than the original proposal of 30. I'm looking forward to being able to walk to shopping.
Though I do hope a place is found for the food trucks. They've been a lot of fun.
It is amazing how people are still finding something to complain about--not sure why Really, who's south of Midtown, really cares. Midtown has Safeway and south of Midtown has Piazza's. Duveneck and Triple El haven't had anything in walking distance in years.
Posted by Get the facts, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Mar 25, 2012 at 10:01 am
OhlonePar wonders >still finding something to complain about--not sure why
Just a suggestion here, maybe you should find out.
Maybe you don't live where the excess parking will fill your street. Maybe the original 30 houses they proposed is the typical developer ploy, propose something ridiculous then compromise and people will think you are a good guy. It's well known in marketing, propose a number or a price, and people will use it as a baseline.
Posted by Larry, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Jul 6, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Edgewood Eats needs help relocating! Next Tuesday is their last meeting before the wrecking ball arrive. They posted the following on their Facebook page:
We're appealing to our FB & Twitter followers to help us find a new home for Edgewood Eats. If you know of a nearby location that could accommodate 6-12 trucks which would be making a charitable donation in lieu of a location fee, please email email@example.com
Posted by Tom, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Apr 29, 2013 at 1:18 pm
As a resident who actually lives in the area, I'm delighted that the project is moving forward, anything is better than the eye sore it had unfortunately become. I just pasted by this morning and it looks amazing! They're making great progress. Congrats to all who help work on the project, what a success for Palo Alto and it's residents!