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Why is Barack Obama allowing Libya to twist in the wind?

Original post made by Steve, Midtown, on Apr 29, 2011

The Libyan people are being crushed under the relentless attacks from Quadaffi. A straight-forward air cover, from the beginning, could have put this one to sleep.

Barack Obama waffled. Now we have a huge mess. The Libyans are suffering, and the West is humiliated. Obama is left with his intital demand, that Quadaffi must go, but he is doing nothing to make it happen.

Decapitation of leadership was the right model, in this case, but Obama blinked.

Where is the leadership?

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Posted by just thinkin'
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 29, 2011 at 2:40 pm

Why is the Arab world letting Libya twist in the wind? Do they support the current regime and it's actions???????


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Posted by Anon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Apr 29, 2011 at 6:16 pm

Why is it that any anti-Obama rhetoric is always more anti-Obama than it is logical?


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Posted by Rush
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Apr 29, 2011 at 6:31 pm

Just nuke the place. Nothing interesting in Libya anyway.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 29, 2011 at 7:23 pm


Libya has no strategic interest for America.

It does for Europe, the UN is supposed to deal with these tribal/religious/territory conflicts like in the Holy Land and other parts of MENA. We are pulling out of the whole MENA quagmire

The PM of one of these MENA states is addressing Congress next month?

That is absurd--he just wants more of US taxpayers money to build a colonial, apartheid state.

That is against fundamental American interests.

No more handouts--No more diplomatic support.

America is wisely increasingly isolationist and pursuing our fundamental interests.

We have a failed state-Mexico-on our border that directly effects American fundamental interests in terms of drug gangs, violence, crime and immigration.


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Posted by Obama fan
a resident of Stanford
on Apr 30, 2011 at 12:17 am

Sharon, try to stay on topic and if you are going to make outlandish claims, provider some proof for them.


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Posted by No sugar daddy here
a resident of Community Center
on Apr 30, 2011 at 7:44 am

I don't care!


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Posted by Commander McBragg
a resident of another community
on Apr 30, 2011 at 1:25 pm

It's because it isn't our country and it isn't our battle to fight.


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 30, 2011 at 2:23 pm

"It's because it isn't our country and it isn't our battle to fight."

But Prez. Obama said the only solution is that Quadaffi must go. Then he didn't press the case, when he could have, early on. Now it is a complete mess. Are you saying that Obama simply doesn't know what he is talking about?


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Posted by Non-interferance
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 30, 2011 at 4:44 pm

Obama and the U.S. should get out of Libya. This is a tribal conflict which sadly most Americans do not understand. The U.S. is trying to turn it into a political venture.

Likewise, Syria is very much a Shiite vs. Sunni confrontation. Assad is not in control although he is being blamed. His family together with his army Generals are calling the shots. Assad belongs to a small sect allied with the Shiite, those rebelling are Sunni Muslims.

In fact the middle east is such a quagmire of many different Muslim sects which have for centuries attacked each other. The U.S. are identified with the Christian crusaders of the middle ages and hated by everyone. The U.S should get out fast while they can!!


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Posted by HUTCH 7.62
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on May 2, 2011 at 3:16 pm

@ the OP

It's not our war the American people did not want to go to Libya (BHO probably hurt his chance at election because of it). It is however Britain and France's war (they receive Libyan oil). Send your complaints to them.


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Posted by HUTCH 7.62
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on May 2, 2011 at 3:19 pm

@ Sharon

"No more handouts--No more diplomatic support.

America is wisely increasingly isolationist and pursuing our fundamental interests.

We have a failed state-Mexico-on our border that directly effects American fundamental interests in terms of drug gangs, violence, crime and immigration."

THIS!


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 27, 2011 at 4:29 pm

So, how is the war in Libya going? This thing could have been decided within a few days, if a decivise action was taken. It was not, because we do not have a president with clarity of action, unless he has plenty of time to calaculate the political consequences to himself.

Now, we are stuck in a stalemate with a tinhorn dictator.

Pathetic.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Greenmeadow
on Aug 1, 2011 at 10:50 am

Steve: Note how little we hear of Libya..Egypt...Syria...Iran...Afghanistan in our alphabet news or our traditional print media.

Gosh..I wonder why no daily reports of the horrors occuring? hmmmm..


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Posted by pooramerican
a resident of Palo Alto Orchards
on Aug 1, 2011 at 10:54 am

Why would american be so nosy,why would us be the world police while other country mind their own businese improving wealth for their own people silently?


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Aug 12, 2011 at 7:13 am

And Libya is still a "Nato" ( read, USA) bombing playground, accd to Libya.

Web Link

How many days now are we there for a "few days" of deposing Ghaddafi?


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Posted by leading from behind IN Tripoli
a resident of another community
on Aug 22, 2011 at 11:11 am

Let's all get together and compare a couple things:

1. Bush wars that last forever, cost trillions, and thousands of American lives

to

2. Obama, the guy who got bin Laden, and what's going on in Libya, with the rebels IN tripoli after a mere 5 months

Only Allah knows how Libya will end. You guys want to comment now on how bad Obama is compared to Bush?

How many Americans lost their lives in Libya in these 5 months?

How many Americans lost their lives in the last month in Afghanistan?


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 22, 2011 at 1:37 pm

If a Prez doesn't commit, especially when the timing is right, a lot more lives will be lost in the end. Obama got caught in the headlights, when the Libyan opposition had the momentum. He blinked, and his indecision led to thousands of unnecessay lives being lost in Libya. This thing should have been over months ago, when it first started.

Obama blinked during the Iraniam uprising. Apparently he thought the mullahs would appreciate his reticense. Now, most of those protesters are tortured and dead.

The street banners in Libya say "Thank you UK" and "Thank you France". There are no banners thay say "Thank you USA".


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Posted by leading from behind IN Tripoli
a resident of another community
on Aug 22, 2011 at 2:00 pm

Poor Steve. All offended that Europeans got thank you signs from a Muslim country.

Steve would rather the US got signs too. How many flag draped coffins for each of your precious signs?

You guys hate Obama. He can't do anything right in your eyes.

Only Allah knows how Libya will end. You guys want to comment now on how bad Obama is compared to Bush? Steve neglected to compare.

Steve: How many Americans lost their lives in Libya in these 5 months?

How many Americans lost their lives in the LAST MONTH in Afghanistan?


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Posted by leading from behind IN Tripoli
a resident of another community
on Aug 22, 2011 at 2:34 pm

the statement today from the President of the United States, via the white house website Web Link

"Tonight, the momentum against the Qadhafi regime has reached a tipping point. Tripoli is slipping from the grasp of a tyrant. The Qadhafi regime is showing signs of collapsing. The people of Libya are showing that the universal pursuit of dignity and freedom is far stronger than the iron fist of a dictator.

The surest way for the bloodshed to end is simple: Moammar Qadhafi and his regime need to recognize that their rule has come to an end. Qadhafi needs to acknowledge the reality that he no longer controls Libya. He needs to relinquish power once and for all. Meanwhile, the United States has recognized the Transitional National Council as the legitimate governing authority in Libya. At this pivotal and historic time, the TNC should continue to demonstrate the leadership that is necessary to steer the country through a transition by respecting the rights of the people of Libya, avoiding civilian casualties, protecting the institutions of the Libyan state, and pursuing a transition to democracy that is just and inclusive for all of the people of Libya. A season of conflict must lead to one of peace.

The future of Libya is now in the hands of the Libyan people. Going forward, the United States will continue to stay in close coordination with the TNC. We will continue to insist that the basic rights of the Libyan people are respected. And we will continue to work with our allies and partners in the international community to protect the people of Libya, and to support a peaceful transition to democracy."


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Posted by protectwho
a resident of Professorville
on Aug 22, 2011 at 2:36 pm

Protect yourself first in case the communism takes you over.


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 22, 2011 at 2:39 pm

Last I heard, Obama put on a surge in Afghanistan, while at the same time setting a pull out date (why do that, except for domestic political reasons?). The current military coffins are on Obama, not Bush.

The issue in Libya was not U.S. military coffins. It was decisive action from the air, at the beginning. Obama blinked, and the Libyans paid the price. This is why "Green Square" has been renamed "Martyrs' Square".

An entire generation of Iranians has been lost, while Obama was genuflecting to the mullahs. Shameful.


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Posted by leading from behind IN Tripoli
a resident of another community
on Aug 22, 2011 at 2:55 pm

Steve - we agree then, bring home our troops from Afghanistan and Iraq. And protest signs don't count, despite your previous assertion.

Good try shifting a ten year failed Bush war to Obama, the guy who actually got bin Ladin.

Time to start closing some of our 700 military bases in a world of 192 nations.

re: Iran - once Bush took away the natural counterweight against Iran (ie. a secular Iraq) Bush took away many options for future American presidents. Keep trying to spin right wing anti-Obama talking points tho, we all expect it from you guys no matter how dumb.


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 22, 2011 at 3:43 pm

Isolationism is a long-standing American tradition, and you are an ardent advocate of that position. FDR fought that instinct, and he finaly prevailed, but it took a long time...Dec. 7, 1941 to be specific. However, to follow your logic, why should Americans be killed by fighting Hitler? Japan attacked us, not Germany! We could have been content with a one-front war. FDR had an attack of conscience, and decided to sacrifice over 100,000 American military caskets to his belief. We could have simply allowed Hitler to do his thing...and allow the German gods to sort it all out. Hitler was eager to do a deal with the USA, after all. Maybe we could have avoided a Cold War, too, if Hitler was allowed to focus on the USSR. Fogetta 'bout the Jews and Catholics and homosexuals and mentally disabled. Ducky!

I, personally, prefer FDR's and Bush's view of the world. Your view, while completely legitimate, just doesn't appeal to me. I think the Libyans and the Iranians deserved better than what they got. Bush liberated Iraq from Saddam, and that is a very good thing, from my perspective; same thing for the liberation of the Afghanistan people from the Taliban. Obama has continued some of Bush's policies, but he is timid...why do a surge in Afghanistan, if a pull out date is pre-announded?

But back to Libya: Why did Obama prolong something that could have been stopped before it really got started? The blood of thousands of Libyans is on his hands.


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Posted by leading from behind IN Tripoli
a resident of another community
on Aug 22, 2011 at 4:02 pm

"Time to start closing some of our 700 military bases in a world of 192 nations."

How is that isolationism?

Obama did the right thing in Libya. You argue that you want signs saying "Thank you USA" yet every time we over-escalate in the middle est we get burned in effigy, with blow-back.

The man gets briefed by the best security team in the world every day, yet you KNOW that another action was better because you think it would have been faster.

No arrogance there, eh, ducky?


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Posted by Steve
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 22, 2011 at 4:31 pm

"Steve - we agree then, bring home our troops from Afghanistan and Iraq"


"Time to start closing some of our 700 military bases in a world of 192 nations."

How is that isolationism?"

I assumed you meant to close down our bases in Iraq and Afghanistan...where the fight is ongoing.

Or did you mean Germany and Japan and Korea and Italy, etc.? I could probably agree with at least some of that. Or at least make them pay for us covering for their security arrangements.




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Posted by money
a resident of Southgate
on Aug 22, 2011 at 7:35 pm

It costs money if we want to do anything.But look at this free country closely,Web Link


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Aug 23, 2011 at 10:46 am

Ok...now..the head is off the deposed dictator in Libya ( how many months later? Compared to how many weeks in Iraq?)..What next?

Pull out and let the fundamentalists ( Muslim bro, Taliban, whatever...) with their "Sharia Law Principle" take over? ( first draft of "their", whoever "their" is, Constitution has Sharia as principle law..

Web Link

lovely).

Or, stay and nation build, like we did in Iraq and tried to do in Afghanistan ( but unfortunately let NATO take over that lead, unlike Iraq, USA led... and now a stable, constitutional, one person one vote democracy).

My prediction: Like Afghanistan, we will be there for many fruitless years, paying for the effort, but unable to control the work or progress....like Afghanistan.


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Posted by leading from behind IN Tripoli
a resident of another community
on Aug 23, 2011 at 11:13 am

"Compared to how many weeks in Iraq?"

1. well, let's see, there's 52 weeks in a year, been there since 2003, so 52 x 7 = ?...
I'll let you do the math when we have all our boys out.

2. there's a difference between the US disposing a tyrant in a Muslim country and the indigenous population doing it

Any argument otherwise should include a prediction of US flag draped coffins, both in the initial operations and the resultant on the ground actions for rescuing pilots, retaliating against forces that hold downed pilots captive, paying off the various warlords in the rebel factions (see Pak & Afghanistan) and anything else that can and will go wrong with a big footprint operation.

Just ask Generals Powell and Shinseki. But hey, you think some blogger at heritage knows more than those guys, don't you?


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Posted by sam sell
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Aug 23, 2011 at 1:51 pm

Obama claims a nuanced victory.

No stupid bushie mission accoplished banners.

Where are the gop pretzeldential candidates?

Huntsman said obama was wrong.

Perry thought it was another texas miracle.

Romney is still polling to decide what he thinks.

Michelle's still figuring out that a female presidential candidate can't eat a corndog.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Aug 23, 2011 at 2:47 pm

Leading from Behind: Ummm....I was referring to "how many weeks to depose the dictator"....not how many weeks are our troops there

And...you think that the USA had nothing to do with deposing Ghadafi? Who do you think funds NATO? How can you possibly believe "the people" deposed Ghadafi...and not understand how many Iraqis fought and died for their Constitutional Democracy?

Question: How long will NATO ( funded by USA and manned with USA troops) be in Tripoli? And, how well do you expect it to turn out? Do you expect it to be as good for all people in Libya as it is for all people in Iraq?

I say the same thing now I said with Iraq. I would rather be born AFTER the dictator is gone and there is hope for the future, whether in Iraq or in Libya. However, I would rather not be born into a Sharia law under any circumstance.

Sharia Law in Iraq: No. Constitutional law based on sound thought and principles, put together by an educated people of diverse factions... Successful outcome. Sharia Law in Libya?? Will women vote? How often will the vote be? Laws put together by whom? We'll see. At this point, my bet is not good, but I truly hope that Libya does not turn out as I fear, for the sake of the people.





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Posted by Gramps knows best!
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Aug 24, 2011 at 11:14 pm

"Question: How long will NATO ( funded by USA and manned with USA troops) be in Tripoli?"

Gramps knows best!

He wants to give Qaddafi guns! Less than two years ago, McCain went to Libya and promised to provide arms and support. Arms that, if delivered (wiser heads prevailed) could now be used against NATO.

The GOP is SO wrong on Libya.

"For all the braying by the Senate's top three hawks about how the U.S. wasn't doing enough to oust Libyan dictator Col. Muammar Qaddafi from power, one might be surprised to learn that exactly two years ago, Sens. John McCain (R-AZ), Joe Lieberman (I-CT <neo-con>) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) were in Tripoli meeting with the erratic leader and giving him assurances that relations between the nations were on the mend."

Web Link

According to a leaked August 2009 U.S. diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks Web Link recounting the Senators' junket, the neoconservative Connecticut Senator captured the dynamic of aligning with a brutal dictator:

Lieberman called Libya an important ally in the war on terrorism, noting that common enemies sometimes make better friends.

5.(C) Senator McCain assured Muatassim that the United States wanted to provide Libya with the equipment it needs for its [a Libyan security program]. He stated that he understood Libya's requests regarding the rehabilitation of its eight C130s [a transport plane] and pledged to see what he could do to move things forward in Congress. Web Link

Go Gramps! Give Khaddaffi more guns!


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Posted by Sigh
a resident of Meadow Park
on Sep 15, 2011 at 10:39 am

Over 5 months, and Gaddafi still in..as are we.

No Congressional approval, nothing "legal" about it under our system. Just a President who believes he has the right to go around our system and laws.

I am guessing Obama supporters are comfortable with tyrants..until the day comes it is a tyrant they don't like.

What else is new?


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Posted by Gramps knows best!
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Sep 15, 2011 at 11:00 am

"Over 5 months, and Gaddafi still in..."

In WHERE? Tripoli? Maybe you should check out the newspapers.

5 WHOLE MONTHS!!! Nothing like how fast Bush nailed Bin Ladin.

Oh, yeah....


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Posted by Sigh
a resident of Meadow Park
on Sep 15, 2011 at 4:22 pm

Gramps, I think it is time for your Aricept. Honestly....

The correct correlation would be Saddam and Gaddafi.

Bin Ladin is a whole 'nother story line..and a fascinating one, to be sure, involving much work on the part of Intelligence and military training ..but not part of Libya, nor Gaddafi, last time I checked.

And, BTW, in case you have lost track of time, Bush has been out of office for 2 1/2 years. I miss my life with Bush as POTUS...is your life better now?


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Sep 15, 2011 at 4:24 pm

And my point was, what happened to "days" of USA involvement promised by Obama?


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Posted by Gramps knows best!
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Sep 15, 2011 at 4:51 pm

Aricept - I get it, well, I had to look it up first, that always ruins a joke attempt, kinda like asking someone to explain a joke! But hyuck, hyuck, yer funny!

Saddam never attacked us. Bin Ladin did. Gaddafi essentially did - was involved with 103, the Berlin disco bombings, etc...

"what happened to "days" of USA involvement promised by Obama?"

How many days have we had boots on the ground in Libya? Number of US deaths?

How many days in Iraq? Afghanistan?

How many boots? Costs? Lives? Days? Days under each president?

Aside: is my life better now? Actually vastly better, thanks, but international policy doesn't generally effect the kind of success I've had - whole 'nuther story.

But good one with the Aricept - yer a funny gal!


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Posted by Gramps knows best!
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Oct 20, 2011 at 10:01 am

bin Laden - check.

Qaddafi - double check.

We know the successful foreign policy party is NOT the Republicans and they know it too: discussions of foreign policy have not been on the GOP debate agendas. In any of the eight of them.


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Posted by shadowofme
a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Oct 20, 2011 at 10:15 am

check bounced! Have you heard there will always be bad guys if you kill one, there will be two.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Oct 20, 2011 at 10:18 am



The Libyan mission was a NATO effort lead by Britain and France with a good US assist.

The main issue now is to get reimbursed for the cost of the mission from the new Libyan gov.

They have the wealth and we have $ 33 billion of their money in frozen accounts.

Kuwait reimbursed the coalition forces for the all the costs of ejecting Saddam from Kuwait--the same deal must apply to Libya.


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Posted by shadowofme
a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Oct 20, 2011 at 10:22 am

The emperial americans were not wanted in our muslim land in the first place.


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Posted by good job
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Oct 20, 2011 at 10:29 am

Good job, President Obama. No need to send in the US Marines and spend trillions of dollars when quietly supporting the locals is much more effective.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Oct 20, 2011 at 11:22 am

good job put it succinctly & perfectly.


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Posted by Gramps knows best!
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Oct 21, 2011 at 11:13 am

Steve, perspective, hutch 7.72, etc...

Conspicuously silent.

No American lives lost. Minimal amount spent. Libyans widely recognize American and European support - American journalists report goodwill "never had to pay for coffee, they love us" sentiments.

Comments, boys?

How about your hero? "...one might be surprised to learn that exactly two years ago, Sens. John McCain (R-AZ), Joe Lieberman (I-CT <neo-con>) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) were in Tripoli meeting with the erratic leader and giving him assurances that relations between the nations were on the mend."


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Posted by Gramps knows best!
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Oct 21, 2011 at 11:14 am

A three-fer (doesn't even count al Alawi)you can file under: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED (for real, this time!)

* Osama bin Laden, brought to justice. Republicans said it would be rude to go after bin Laden on Pakistani soil, but President Obama did it anyway and SEAL Team 6 killed Osama bin Laden on May 1.
* Moammar Gadhafi, removed from power. The Bush administration signed a peace deal with Gadhafi, despite the Lockerbie bombing. President Obama supported the Libyan people who successfully removed Gadhafi from power, ultimately killing him.
* Iraq war, ended. George W. Bush said the mission was accomplished nearly 8.5 years ago, and in 2007 and 2008, Republicans like John McCain said wanted to stay there a thousand years, it that's what it took. Now we'll be out be end the of 2011. And that's a real mission accomplished.


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