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Civil War redux

Original post made by Walter_E_Wallis on Apr 16, 2011

"Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2011 at 2:30 am
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Why, then, svatoid, did I defend Dr. Rice against every criticism? She is, I believe, Black, while her critics were primarily white. Makes you wonder.

If my belief that 600,000 deaths was not the only way to resolve the slavery question offends you, then glory in your bloodthirst. If you take my position as a defense of slavery that is your right, but it is a fragile position."
"Posted by svatoid, a resident of the Charleston Gardens neighborhood, 23 hours ago

Walter Wallis is spinning like an out of control top, trying to do damage control for his statements on this thread and all of past statements regarding minorities.

Walter conveniently forgets that it was the southern traitors to the union that started the war.

Considering Walter's past comments about defending the country, enemies of our nation and fighting for our country, it is laughable that he accuses me of "bloodthirst"."f

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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Apr 16, 2011 at 7:02 am

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This was an unanswered attack on my position.
My position was and is that it would have been preferable to have resolved both slavery and secession peacefully. 600,000 deaths equate to 6 million deaths today.

Posted by svatoid, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Apr 16, 2011 at 12:46 pm

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Oh dear me. Walter is sensitive about criticism of his positions, not that has ever stopped him from denigrating and attacking those that do not toe his narrow-minded, right-wing ideology.

Anyway, I find it amusing that the uber-patriot on this forum, Walter Wallis, who constantly lectures everyone about patriotism, defended the country, supporting the USA etc, while always trotting out the fact that he served in the military is now busy supporting the activities of traitorous scum who tried to destroy this country 150 years ago (one could even say they were the 19th century equivalent of Al Qeida. Walter conveniently forgets who decided to pull of this act of treason, who initiated the war and that their reason for their treasonous acts was the desire to continue to subjugate a race of people as slaves.
I guess when the southern good old boys turn against the mother country, Walter has no problem. But dare to question any of his beliefs in this country and you will see the response you get from him.

AS to the comments re Ms Rice--whenever someone is caught making a racist/anti-semetic remark, their response is "but some of my best friends are black/jewish"--the walter version is above.

Finally one has to wonder who Walter's heroes really are--Strom Thurmond (during his Dixiecrat party days) Jesse Helms, Lester Maddix, Orval Faubus and David Duke?

BTW, Walter, why not continue the discussion on the original thread? Why the need to start an independent thread,which you have conveniently set up so that most people cannot comment on your views.
For someone who likes to criticize, attack and denigrate others, you sure are thin-skinned!!!!

Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Apr 16, 2011 at 5:39 pm

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You take an awful lot of words just to spill you bile. You obviously never noticed that my arguments are about ideas, not personalities. I attack ideas, not people. Your idea, that 600,000 people had to die to preserve the union and manumit slaves just doesn't hold water. Your roster of my "heroes" bears no resemblance to any ideas I have expressed. I did not say "But some of my best friends are ****, I merely noted one of them in passing.
You asked why I did not continue my argument in the same thread. It was closed. As to my taking comments from members only this time around, I did it just because I could.

Posted by That User Name is already, a resident of another community
on Apr 16, 2011 at 6:34 pm

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I looked at the last thread and Walter, the first thing that came to my mind was that old cliche defense: "some of my best friends..."

So cheers to svatoid, he got there first. You seem to be on his case for defining his thoughts in a wordy manner, while you appear to be sticking your foot in your mouth with far fewer.

Let's see if we agree on facts:

1. the South seceded over slavery
2. the South attacked American troops
3. you think that something should have been done to save lives
4. that said, the South fought to the death to preserve a barbaric, inhumane institution, clearly stating by such actions that there was no room for negotiating

Yet you rant on about "there had to be a better way". Okay, maybe there may have been a better way, they just chose to secede and fire on Americans instead.

Are you in any way saying that slavery should have been allowed after 1862, in any form in America or the traitorous confederacy?

Posted by Svatoid, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Apr 16, 2011 at 6:54 pm

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Once again walter is playing the abused martyr.. Walter claims he only attacks ideas, yet his posts are full of put downs and insults aimed at those that disagree with his intense doctrine. One of his favorite tricks oas to make fun of the posters name.
Perhaps walter should address his issues concerning the civil war with those that started it-the southern traitors who sought to destroy this country. I guess when the traitors are white southern good old boys, walter turns a blind eye. From now on I expect that walter well cease to lecture us on patriotism and his service given his support of traitors and the institution of slavery.

Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Apr 17, 2011 at 7:35 am

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Once again:
I am NOT defending slavery. One man should never own another. Within the civilized world, ONLY the United States had to resolve this issue by blood. There were other nations where the investment in slaves was very bit as high as in the South, and yet slavery was ended there.
I do have a problem with indivisibility. I believe what the minds of man make whole, those minds may also sunder. I do not believe this process should be easy, but it must not be impossible. Imagine, if you will, a militarily superior South. Would you feel bound to that South or would you prefer the company of your own?

Posted by That User Name is already, a resident of another community
on Apr 17, 2011 at 12:42 pm

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"Would you feel bound to that South or would you prefer the company of your own?"

Are you insane?

I am a citizen of the United States of America, and damn proud of my country, and more so, want to continue to do the right thing to make it the best country we can be. I thought you were too, but your true colors seem to be coming out. In grey.

To your question: if the confederacy took over California, or even if Sacramento seceded the state from America, I would fight for the United States of America. It happened in the south. German immigrants in St Louis waged ongoing guerrilla war against the confederacy in their support of their adopted county of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

You seem to equivocate, "preferring the company" of your own.

Them's mighty strong words coming from you, one who claimed at one time to be patriotic.

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"other nations where the investment in slaves was very bit as high as in the South"

As was posted in the other thread, the value (shudder) of slaves in the south was 4 billion in 1860 USD, worth more than the value of both industry and the railroads in the US at that time. (listen: Web Link )

Please prove your statement above. Name the other democratic nations in modern history that had that high an "investment." Old monarchies don't count - apples and oranges. Any reasonable link with supporting data will do.

Posted by Svatoid, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Apr 17, 2011 at 12:56 pm

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