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Have we misplaced our community priorities?

Original post made by Diana Diamond, Palo Alto Online blogger, on May 23, 2007

Watching the Palo Alto City Council talk last week about a proposed rebuilding and modernization of the Stanford Medical Center made me wonder if we have misplaced priorities in this community.

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Posted by Not so fast
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on May 24, 2007 at 7:02 am

A discussion on ms Diamond's editorial was started a few days ago. Here is the link:

Web Link

I think this discussion on the hospital/medical center's future will be illuminating as to character and motives of our city council members.


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Posted by Forum Reader
a resident of Stanford
on May 25, 2007 at 9:44 am

Stanford isn't just rich. It has an $18 billion endowment.
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It was fun to watch the usual pro-development crowd shedding (real?) tears in front of the city council telling about their family members who were cured at the hospital. Maybe Stanford has hired Oprah for this project.
As though the good doctors have anything to do with the immense land development. This is a business deal.


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Posted by Not so fast
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on May 25, 2007 at 11:07 am

Unfortunately, Forum Reader, I am not sure you know what an endowment is and what it is to be used for.
However, I can see where you are coming fun--maybe it would be much easier for all concerned if the City Council would be forthcoming in their feelings that the Stanford Hospital/Medical Center should not proceed with their proposed expansion/rebuild. That way Stanford will know if they need to start looking for a out of town new location for thier hospital and the city council will save themselves the trouble of thrwoing roadblocks in Stanford's way for years to come.


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Posted by Forum Reader
a resident of Stanford
on May 25, 2007 at 12:48 pm

And move away from Stanford University? Surely you are losing track of reality.
You pose yet another straw argument. The council isn't even implying that they shouldn't build. It is just saying, let's see what the implications are. For example, several times they have refused to say how many new employees they expect. Though they have numbers from here to the moon on exact square footage, dollars, building plans, the whole deal. But because housing is in short supply and development is already out of control in Palo Alto, they won't tell nya, nya.
Maybe it isn't just Oprah they are imitating, maybe it is also Vanna White. They'll reveal the number when they are good and ready and everyone else is exhausted.


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Posted by Not so fast
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on May 25, 2007 at 1:18 pm

Stanford Hospital is moving many of it's clinics to the old Excite campus in Redwood City. There are plenty examples of university hospitals having separate locations from the main campus (Northwestern, Johns Hopkins etc).
It is something for Stanford to consider if the city council plans to play it's we want more housing/we want more open space ( a conflict BTW)/no more traffic games


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Posted by Otto
a resident of Crescent Park
on May 25, 2007 at 2:20 pm

Yes, and Stanford recently purchased that multi-acre site to do more biotechnology-based work. Palo Alto lost the opportunity tto co-develop a cultural center with Stanford. the gods only know how many other deals have been washed away, or not even proposed, because of the poor track record of our city's management and policy-makers working with Stanford.

The soccer fields at Page Mill and El Camino we somewhat of a win, but far from the massive victory that some made it out to be.

The bottom line is that we are rank amateurs when it comes to dealing with Stanford. What's most upsetting about this is that we have no fixed vision or plan for approaching our neighbor. We simply deal with things as Stanford brings them up. Aside from help Stanford sell football tickets with our downtown BID promotions, where are we with our world-famous neighbor? In the doghouse.

If we had any respect on the Stanford campus, we would be included in development talks of projects like the mall and hospital FAR before we currently are, but Stanford is too smart for that. They don't want to get bogged down in negotiable minutiae with certain plicy makers who don't seem to understand what it takes to forge strong municipal/commercial partnerships (even as they tout their Stanford-pedigree MBA's). Our City Manager, otherwise an effective guy, doesn't seem to have a clue how to manage the massive, dormant opportunity next door.'

btw, "not so fast" is correct. PA shuolod not take Stanford's current needs as a guaranteed opportunity to extract favors. What's amazing to me is how Stanford manages to trump PA in most areas, anyway, in spite of too-little, too-late efforts by some politicos to bleed a neighbor that shuould be our biggest benefactor and co-partner, instead of it's current status (in their minds) as a threat to our environment, our views, and so on.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Midtown
on May 26, 2007 at 11:28 am

Disclaimer: I an not and have never been affiliated with Stanford in any way.

For me, having Stanford as a neighbor is one of the best aspects of living in Palo Alto.

Several members of my family have received excellent emergency care at the Stanford medical clinic over the years. Forum Reader may wish to reconsider his or her Oprah/Vanna accusations the next time a loved one has a medical emergency.

While Stanford doubtless pursues its own interests, it generally does so in ways that preserve and enhance the quality of life for Palo Alto citizens. Almost everything I see Stanford do, development-wise, is win-win. They are a spectacularly good neighbor, all things considered. But Palo Altans discuss Stanford as though it were a noisy factory belching toxic waste.

The people who rant against Stanford's plans remind me of those who spend all day blasting capitalism and globalization but couldn't live a minute without their laptops, cell phones, iPods and imported cars. With just a bit more self-awareness, they could rise to the level of hypocrites.

To those who would obstruct Stanford in all their efforts to improve the university, medical center, and Palo Alto: be careful what you wish for.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Adobe-Meadow
on Jun 1, 2007 at 3:44 pm

As a forty year resident of Palo Alto, who has aging parents living in Palo Alto and two elementary school children attending Palo Alto schools, I have had the opportunity to personally experience the value of a world class hospital as our neighbor. From friends and relatives who have sought cancer treatment or had major surgery at the hospital, going to the ER for broken bones, and delivering our children at the Children’s Hospital, the care and expertise we have received has been exceptional.

As I understand it, the overall project encompasses the main hospital building, the original hospital Hoover Pavilion, and the existing single story medical office buildings on Welsh Road. This distributes the additional square footage over many buildings.

Having the main hospital renovated and upgraded to meet health care needs of a more populous Palo Alto and surrounding communities, we are better prepared for not only the next fifty to one hundred years of continued excellent health care, but in the case of a major health catastrophe, we would have the best resource in the county in our back yard.

Additionally, if the facility is planned is a sustainable way, it can be a model not only for other healthcare facilities, but businesses such as HP, Google, Sun, Xerox, and other Palo Alto businesses who do not have green design as a criteria in their construction. I am amazed that Palo Alto lags behind other communities in requiring new construction to be sustainable and green. This could include better public transporation to the hospital.

We are not losing open space or detrimentally impacting our quality of life in Palo Alto. We are finally gaining world class hospital buildings to support the exceptional healthcare providers and researchers in our community.

I see this as a win for Palo Alto and would hope for strong support for a project that brings such great value to our community.


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Posted by Douglas Moran
a resident of Barron Park
on Jun 6, 2007 at 3:58 am

Diana Diamond's next to last paragraph reveals a basic confusion behind this discussion. Stanford Hospital is, as noted, a regional facility and the region *should* reasonably be expected to bear the costs of such a facility. However, that is not the way it works out: The relevant law and policies of the State of California have nothing to do with "reason." The State law fails to take into account the existence of regional facilities and imposes on the *immediate* locality the costs of this type of project. Thus Palo Alto taxpayers will effectively be subsidizing the medical care for residents of Atherton, Woodside, Los Altos Hills, ...

When Ms. Diamond writes "I, for one, would not want employee housing or bike path costs hiking up my medical bills." she fails to explain why she *does* want to pay even more via her taxes.

Stanford was well aware of the absurdity of State law and its impacts on Palo Alto, but chose to do nothing avoid the current situation, despite many years lead time. If Stanford regards these costs as so trivial that it can cavalierly and unilaterally attempt to impose them on Palo Alto, then why can't Stanford pay for them itself?


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Posted by Not so fast
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jun 6, 2007 at 6:38 am

Shouldn't the city of Palo Alto have done something if the law is so absurd? If it is a regional issue, isn't it the duty of the cities of the region to try to change the law if it is so absurd? Wouldn't a city trying to change the state law have more leverage than a hospital?
Maybe this is part of the areas problems--that the neighboring cities cannot work towards regional solutions to problems and instead are only interested in what is inside their own borders


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Posted by Douglas Moran
a resident of Barron Park
on Jun 6, 2007 at 1:18 pm

Douglas Moran is a registered user.

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The reason that the various cities in the area have not been able to get these absurdities addressed is that there are too many special interests, including Stanford, that make too much money off the current situation.

As an organization, in many areas is more like a city than a corporation (including having its own Post Office) and is on par with many of the area cities. Plus it has been very effective in lobbying the State to grant exceptions in areas such as this.




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Posted by Not so fast
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jun 6, 2007 at 1:37 pm

I didn't realize that Palo Alto was a "victim" in all this. Stanford Hospital and clinics are a non-profit, so I am not sure how they are making money "off the current situation".
If people consider Stanford to be more like a city, then maybe they should be spun off from palo alto's control.
Posts like the one above--which foster the belief that relations with Stanford must be adversarial do not help. Please read some of the posts above from Otto and others with regard to how Stanford should be handled and how Palo Alto has benefited from Stanford Hospital and Clinics.


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Posted by Forum Reader
a resident of Stanford
on Jun 7, 2007 at 2:16 am

Stanford isn't "like a city" it IS a city.
It has about 19,000 students, thousands of staff, thousands of faculty, its own hospitals and shopping center, police and fire, roads, restaurants, and homes, and zip code.It produces its own energy.

According to the Stanford president:
With more than 46 miles of roads, a 49-megawatt power plant, two separate water systems, three dams and lakes, 78 miles of water mains, a central heating and cooling plant, a high-voltage distribution system and a post office, the university is a self-sustaining community. Stanford also provides or contracts for its own fire, police and other services.

There are more than 670 major buildings at Stanford that incorporate 13.1 million square feet. Ninety-five percent of undergraduates live on campus, as do nearly 60 percent of graduate students and 30 percent of faculty members. There are 850 owner-occupied housing units for faculty on campus, as well as 628 rental units for faculty and staff.
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Posted by Douglas Moran
a resident of Barron Park
on Jun 7, 2007 at 3:00 am

gForum manager - please remove both of my comments in this thread. I am unwilling to accept your deletion of my comment on the fallacy of the argument made by a previous poster, and especially since you left in his/her misrepresentation of my comments.

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Posted by Not so fast
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Jun 7, 2007 at 5:57 am

Just for the record Doug, you presume wrong--I am not a professional PR person. If you are familiar with this forum you will note that I have posted on numerous threads that deal with PA issues--most notably the Alma Plaza remodel.
For the record I am a citizen of Palo Alto.

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