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Original post made by Walter_E_Wallis on Oct 9, 2010

My daughter , today, receive a pamphlet titled WHAT'S TAKING HER BREATH AWAY?" California League of Conservation Voters [at first I thought it was Conservative Voters, possibly their intention,] Californians for Clean Air and Clean Energy Jobs, No on 23.
The cover shows a cut little girl in an oxygen mask and, foolishly, a very fuzzy doggie doll close beside her. The accusation is that point source air pollution is the cause of her distress.
Point pollution has been reduced over 90% in spite of growth since the 40's when smog control was initiated. The major cause of auto pollution, today, is idling while waiting the toll collector. The major cause of respiratory distress today is plant allergies and the major defense against them is affordable air conditioning and affordable energy to run them. It helps if the folks are employed to afford their daughter's comfort.
The boutique energy these folks champion is several times as expensive and several orders less dependable than conventional source energy, affordable only with heave subsidy and punitive competition regulation. The jobs they champion are handyman type rather than the professional wages paid professional operators in the base stations that keep the lights on when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow.
If 23 fails, say bye to energy intensive jobs and move the old folks out on the porch rocker and hope the lemonade and palm fan will compensate for the TV they used to watch in comfort.
Our last hope if 23 fails is a success in the Texas lawsuit to force the EPA to use valid science to support their ukases.

Comments (11)

Posted by Sarah, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Oct 9, 2010 at 6:58 pm

Walter, pa-leeze!! Solar energy and wind energy and efficiency can provide for us. We need to insist that they do. People who don't want to pay the price should just leave. We don't need a bunch of old people, or poor people, stepping on our future.

Vote NO on prop 23!!!!


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 9, 2010 at 8:19 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Off to the gulag with me for scoffing at Lysenko? I've heard that song before. Wait until they enforce your economy with a 20 amp breaker while the nomenclature have 200/3 phase. If 23 fails you will have fewer old, more poor and less future. Imagine an energy Czar. What would you give for a C sticker, Sarah? And if you get rid of my ilk, who left will know how to make stuff go?


Posted by Sarah, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Oct 9, 2010 at 9:14 pm

The future is very bright, but only if we move forward into a green future. Old people will soon die out; poor people will just need to accept their condition, if they think they can stop us. Within two decades, there will no longer be coal or natural gas or nuclear sources of electricity. We will have completely clean sources of energy. Get used to it.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 10, 2010 at 4:37 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

I have absolutely no desire to return to any past state, since I did my best to oppose many of the follies of the past. My early adaptation of computers to engineering and, in the Homebrew Computer Club my advocacy of widespread personal use of computers was certainly not troglodytic.
Can we get used to less energy? Of course we can, most of the world does. Will we be better for doing so? Your willingness to impose your virtue on me suggests not.


Posted by You are right, Walter, a resident of Meadow Park
on Oct 10, 2010 at 5:09 am

Walter, you are correct. Lots of emotional appeals with no factual basis on them are going out to the masses and fooling them.

Folks don't have a basic grasp of cost: benefit.

For the folks who believe "let's get cleaner at all costs", I simply say "then let's get rid of all transportation, and all fireplaces, all coal, all use of gasoline" That is the natural end result for this fuzzy thinking. They don't see the natural consequences of many more deaths and much more illness from a lack of heating, cooling, medical and other progress, and transportation. It is never "enough" for those who take "clean air" as a religion, not a science. The "reactionaries" are those who focus on the magnifying glass, short-term vision and don't see the big picture.

In other words, they focus on the splinter in others' eyes and don't notice the log in theirs.





Posted by Sarah, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Oct 10, 2010 at 10:16 am

I own an all-electric car. I buy as much solar/wind electricty as I possibly can. I ride my bicycle. If people are not willing to make similar changes in their lifestyles, then they will be left behind. If they cannot afford it, then they should move.


Posted by anonymous, a resident of another community
on Oct 10, 2010 at 10:39 am

Walter:

"The major cause of auto pollution, today, is idling while waiting the toll collector. "

Would love to see the link to your data above.

It doesn't even pass the "smell" test, Walter. If that statement was true, then fastrac and car pool lanes would cure all.

Please share your data.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 10, 2010 at 4:37 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Sarah, I know how to and have generated, transmitted, distributed and designed and made final connection of electrical systems. When you run me off to the Gulag will you call EarthFIRST or Greenpeace when the lights go out? THEY DON'T CARE!!
Nony, it is common engineering knowledge that smog controls are optimized for cruising speeds, and that Fastrac and car pooling were both considered air pollution control measures, and that auto engine efficiency is lowest when idling.


Posted by Sarah, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Oct 10, 2010 at 4:51 pm

Walter, the crucial word from you is "have", as in "have generated". The future is in front of us, Walter, not behind us. We need a pure alternative energy system, with as close to zero carbon dixode emmissions as possible. The Earth is in the balance, from global warming, in case you want to open your eyes!

My father was a real polluter, in the mining industry. I was fortunate enough to become funded by him, but I am doing everything I can to destroy his legacy of pollution and exploitation of the natural world. You are a lot like him, Walter, just thinking about human exploitation of our natural resurces, with no concern for a sustainable world for all of our fellow creatures. You are human-centric to the extreme.


Posted by anonymous, a resident of another community
on Oct 10, 2010 at 5:33 pm

Walter:

"The major cause of auto pollution, today, is idling while waiting the toll collector. "

Would love to see the link to your data above.

You replied with vaguely related generalizations. You are adding one plus one plus one, and totaling 111.

Where's the proof of the statement you made? If it's true, you shouldn't have a problem showing 3rd party validation making that exact statement, with data to back it up.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 10, 2010 at 7:49 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Sharon, honor thy father. Without the efforts of him and his like, there would be no metals to build your all electric auto or to bring the power to it, and likely no power to bring. One Pinatubo or St. Helens and a thousand years of your Dad's leavings is erased.
nony, I gave you an educated opinion, You want a report we'll negotiate a fee.


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