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have Californians abandoned Christian politics?

Original post made by Sacramento rally on Sep 4, 2010

Christian rights groups held a rally at the state capitol in Sacramento today. They planned on 100,000 people showing up and blocked off many city blocks for the crowds, complete with police protection, giant video screens on every block, a fancy sound system, dozens of cash donation collection stations, etc. TV news video shows that maybe 5000 people showed up for the rally. All of the video screens were far behind the crowd with no one watching them.

The speakers were chanting about traditional Christian rights issues (anti gay rights, anti abortion, anti religious diversity, etc.).

Does the dismal turnout show that Californians have abandoned traditional Christian politics? Or just abandoned modern Christian politicians? Or have Californians abandoned Christianity altogether?

Comments (17)

Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 4, 2010 at 7:48 pm

Perhaps it just wasn't well advertised.


Posted by Sacramento rally, a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 4, 2010 at 8:21 pm

I doubt they would have spent a small fortune on the audio/video system and security without spending at least a little on advertising.


Posted by How about, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 4, 2010 at 9:53 pm

Not supporting Lou Engel does not equal abandoning Christianity.


Posted by Sacramento, a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 4, 2010 at 11:01 pm

Is Lou Engel just another egomaniac like Glenn Beck?


Posted by VoxPop, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Sep 4, 2010 at 11:19 pm

Perhaps Californians never embraced Christian politics. Neither did the nation, beginning with the Founding Fathers, who stated quite clearly in the First Amendment that there should be no state religion and that the government should not interfere with religious beliefs -- unless they contravened the laws of the land. This was because they saw the havoc state religions and religious wars wrecked on Europe, the middle east and many other areas.

You should also note that Article VI of the U.S. Constitution states that "...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." An article that was honored only in the breach in states like Utah until recently, although the influence of the Mormon church is still felt).

They also admired the Enlightenment and Renaissance scholars who propounded individual rights and rationality -- sometimes in concert with religion, sometimes without it.

Our laws are not based on Christian laws but rather on the laws of Greek, Roman, and other societies. English common law, which has antecedents predating the existence of Christianity, is also a factor.

One of my problems with religious politics is the malign influence it has on education...witness the results of fundamentalist religious on Muslim societies and several school boards in the United States.

Thank the Founders from trying to save us from too much religious influence in politics.

I have no problem with people with religious leanings being in public office, I have a problem when the tenets of their religions conflict with the public good and the laws of the land.


Posted by how about, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Sep 4, 2010 at 11:53 pm

"Is Lou Engel just another egomaniac like Glenn Beck?"

Do a quick google search and form your own opinion.
I find him a bit too extreme and intolerate for my tastes.


Posted by keep it in YOUR church, a resident of Charleston Meadows
on Sep 5, 2010 at 8:56 am

AND out of MY life in all its forms!! just made up fairy tales to control people


Posted by palo alto mom, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Sep 5, 2010 at 9:44 am

Perhaps it is just that true Christians are not anti-gay and intolerant of others.

In the Christian faith, the "greatest commandment" is to love God. The second is to care for your neighbor as you would care for your self. From Matthew: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."


Posted by just say no to bigotry, a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 5, 2010 at 10:31 am

Perhaps the "true Christians" need to speak up and renounce the extremist bigots who are taking over their religion. With no moderate mainstream voices, non-Christians are just assuming that all Christians are bigots like the ones at these political rallies.


Posted by Don't agree with 'em, but ..., a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
on Sep 6, 2010 at 5:53 pm

Umm...no moderate mainstream voices in Christianity? Are you kidding me? You really believe that? Why do you think Barack Hussein Obama is in office? From identity political votes, liberal white guilt, and foolish Christians who believed somehow that voting for him was the "loving" thing to do for our nation to expiate our past sins around race, to get more "tolerance' for abortions, more "love" in the form of stealing from producers to give to non-producers, and more "love" for destroying our "evil" military, and..etc etc.

Sorry, whoever you are, you simply hate anyone who doesn't want to call a union between gays "marriage". YOUR position is the extreme one, equally extreme as those who say that there should be NO legal relationship between gays. The moderate way is same rights and responsibilities, different name. No big deal. But somehow you can't accept that as a moderate, interim solution.

BTW, Lou Engel represents less than 1% of all Christians world-wide, and last time I checked, even this most extreme part of Christianity never sanctioned killing or beating up on or in any way harming anyone for their differences. They AVOID people they disagree with, and fight anything that progresses a human behavior they believe damages people, but aside from that, not much else happens. I, for one, would be absolutely delighted if the most "extreme and intolerant" religious of the world were no more so than these guys. Peace and "live and let live" would come to most of the world that is under severe suffering right now, and we would all be a lot better off.





Posted by DP, a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 6, 2010 at 6:05 pm

General Petraeus condemns Christian extremist groups. Says their hate mongering "could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort in Afghanistan". Story on CNN: Web Link


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 6, 2010 at 6:20 pm

General Petraeus also condemns Israeli extremist groups.
Says their hate mongering and apartheid policy "has endangered US troops and it could endanger the overall US effort in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Iran and runs counter to American interests in both Europe and the Muslim world as well as dooming our ally, Israel, as a viable state moving forward.


Posted by The Real Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 7, 2010 at 5:54 am

"General Petraeus also condemns Israeli extremist groups.

Says their hate mongering and apartheid policy "has endangered US troops and it could endanger the overall US effort in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Iran and runs counter to American interests in both Europe and the Muslim world as well as dooming our ally, Israel, as a viable state moving forward."

Once again Sharon engages in her anti-Israel/Anti-Jewish crusade. General Petraeus made no such comments. Notice that she provides no facts to back up her claim about what Petraeus said. I am shocked and surprised that the editors have allowed Sharon's post to remain up for so long when it is clear that it is not based on any facts whatsoever.
As usual, also, Sharon has attempted to hijack another thread to use as a sounding board for her views on Israel, which is totally unrelated to the topic of the thread.
Business as usual for Sharon.


Posted by Perspective, a resident of Meadow Park
on Sep 7, 2010 at 6:41 pm

Yes, gotten to the point I just skip over her/his posts ( I am pretty sure Sharon used to post a lot under his real name, and got tired of getting trounced...so went into drag, I suspect)


Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 7, 2010 at 8:50 pm

@ perspective-- you may have some psychological issues
But the issues for Americans are the lives of our troops,extremists in Israel act against that interest-- and we should not pay them nor support them- the overwhelming majority of Americans will not support the current apartheid state in the Holy Land--- it is bad for the USA and bad for Israelis-- but that is the reality--apartheid-- facts on the ground
Petreaus, Gates, Biden and Obama have made that crystal clear many times.
The issue is-- what is in Americas best interests?


Posted by The Real Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 8, 2010 at 6:12 am

I am still surprised that Sharon's initial post in which she blasts Israel (again), while claiming that a decorated military officer said a number of vile things that he never said has remained in this thread--this despite the fact that this thread is about Christianity and california politics.
Now once again we have a series of claims, denigrating Israel in the most vile manner, while claiming that 4 people in our government (Petreaus, Gates, Biden and Obama) have made those comments.
Naturally Sharon does not post any proof whatsoever for these claims. This appears to be the way she operates on this forum--posting out and out lies and/or distorting facts without any proof whatsoever.
And for some reason the editors allow her postings to remain as is (while many times editing out criticism of her postings). Why is that? I have speculated either a) she is a staff member, who is acting as an agent provocatuer to drum up traffic on the forum or b) she reflects the position of the PA Weekly.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on Sep 8, 2010 at 12:24 pm

"have Californians abandoned Christian politics?"

More likely they wised up and turned their backs on money- and power-driven blasphemies masquerading as Christianity.


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