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Fascist America in 10 Easy Steps

Original post made by Anonymous, Midtown, on Apr 24, 2007

From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all

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Posted by Kirk
a resident of Barron Park
on Apr 24, 2007 at 7:51 pm

Annonymous,

What is fascism?


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 25, 2007 at 4:37 am

What constitutional freedoms have been destroyed?


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Posted by witness
a resident of Palo Alto Orchards
on Apr 25, 2007 at 9:27 pm

Scary, when you read the article and realize that any citizen can be deemed an enemy combattant and subjected to something like Guantanamo and secret military tribunals, you do shudder.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 26, 2007 at 7:11 am

The deeming is hardly a random unmonitored act. There are worse things than being deemed an enemy combattant, like being shot dead.


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Posted by Sirat El Hob
a resident of Crescent Park
on Apr 26, 2007 at 10:34 am


I clearly remember that before anti-Muslims lied our military into the War on Muslims; we Americans could expect a lot more from our system than not "being shot dead".


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 26, 2007 at 12:34 pm

Being shot dead has always meen a possibility for someone who makes war on the United States.
I seem to recall that this war was to save Muslims. I consider the real anti-Muslims to be those who reduse Muslim women to lowerthan livestock and who teach chilren to sacrifice themselves.


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Posted by D
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Apr 26, 2007 at 1:06 pm

Before we get off topic, how about responding to the points in the Guardian piece, Walter?
1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2. Create a gulag
3. Develop a thug caste
4. Set up an internal surveillance system
5. Harass citizens' groups
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7. Target key individuals
8. Control the press
9. Dissent equals treason
10. Suspend the rule of law

Read the article, ponder it, mull it over, and then thoughtfully respond to the points.


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Posted by Kirk
a resident of Barron Park
on Apr 26, 2007 at 4:09 pm

Anybody...what is fascism? It hard to make any sense of such charges, unless there is a common understanding of it. Was Stalin a fascist? Pol Pot? Mao? Castro? Hitler? Pinochet? Bush? FDR? Reagan? All of the above?




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Posted by Donnie
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 26, 2007 at 5:00 pm

Kirk, "fascism" is what we progressives in the 21st Century use to describe persons or policies with which we disagree. That is, it's all purpose invective for Republicans and conservatives. Nothing more, nothing less: it has no real intellectual content or substance. That's why nobody is answering your question with specificity.


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Posted by Sirat El Hob
a resident of Crescent Park
on Apr 26, 2007 at 8:18 pm

If we're concerned about the conduct of Muslims, perhaps we should worry about Israelis who shoot female Nobel Peace Prize winners:

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Nobel Peace Prize recipient MAIREAD CORRIGAN MAGUIRE said today: "I was invited with my friend to attend a nonviolent conference in Bilin, a village outside Ramallah [in the West Bank], and to give a talk there, which I did. At the end of the conference, we were invited to participate in a nonviolent demonstration with some of the Palestinian members of parliament and Israeli peace activists and local villagers and international visitors.

"We walked along to try to walk up toward the separation wall, and it was a totally nonviolent protest. And we were viciously attacked by the Israeli military. They threw gas canisters into the peace walkers, and they also fired rubber-covered steel bullets.

"As I tried to move back and help a French lady, I was shot in the leg with a rubber-covered steel bullet, and the young Israeli soldier who shot me was only 20 meters from me. I was stunned by it, and then later on, after having some treatment by the ambulance medics, I went back down to the front line with the peace activists, and we were again showered with gas. I was overcome and had a severe nosebleed and had to be taken by stretcher to the ambulance and treated.

"And I witnessed there ... an old Palestinian man with blood on his face. These were over 25 unarmed peace people who had been viciously attacked by the Israeli military. And it was a completely peaceful protest. It was absolutely unbelievable. I never in all my years of activism witnessed anything so vicious as from the Israeli military."

The shooting of Maguire took place on Friday, April 20; she is now back in Ireland and available for interviews.


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Posted by SkepticAl
a resident of Ventura
on Apr 26, 2007 at 11:17 pm

Sirat - I think that's called thread-jacking. Perhaps your post could have gone under a new heading.

Kirk - your request for a definition of fascism strikes me as a bit disingenuous. I agree that it's not easily defined, and is tossed about too loosely on the left. Neither side has cornered the market in meaningless political slander. I'm not going to debate that term, because I think the more important question is, looking at those steps above, do we think that they're good for our democracy, and do they sound frighteningly familiar. I'd suggest that on that list of ten items, most have occurred, and given the track record of our current executive branch, all are possible. However, I fear their incompetence as much as their intentions. Given the recent FBI admissions regarding their mishandling of spying powers, I think we all should be concerned. The fact that they admitted it publicly is a definite sign of hope and good faith, however.


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Posted by Sirat El Hob
a resident of Crescent Park
on Apr 26, 2007 at 11:45 pm


It seems the same fascist-supremacists who endorse removing Iraq's entire power structure and murdering 700,000 Iraqis in the process, are the same fascist-supremacists who endorse a media blackout on shooting an unarmed Nobel Peace Prize winner.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 27, 2007 at 5:10 am

There are no non-violent demonstrations in Palestine. They almost always devolve to rock throwing which, through some magic transmutation, has been turned into non-violence.
As for the Nobel Peace Prize, that has been turned into a reward for anti-semetic anti-American champions like our very own Jimmy C.
throwing rocks at armed men should have fatal consequences.


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Posted by Draw the Line
a resident of Stanford
on Apr 27, 2007 at 10:00 am

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read all the links in this above thread to read about true fascism that is not only alive and well, but growing, all over the world.

Then ask yourself who is helping the real Muslims fight it? Who are the real friends of peaceful Muslims?

If you think that the USA has become fascist, I invite you to go live in any of the countries linked in the thread, and try telling the people of the country that they are fascists for fighting back.

Better yet, try living with the fascists.


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Posted by Draw the Line
a resident of Stanford
on Apr 27, 2007 at 10:03 am

Sirat - not even the UN, which is 3/4 comprised of countries that are not democracies and therefore is opposed to anything which supports democracy, buys into the "700,000" number.

I see someone saying anything much above the Iraq Body Count, and I know that there is an agenda at work.


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Posted by Draw the Line
a resident of Stanford
on Apr 27, 2007 at 10:06 am

Read anything from the newspapers of Nazi Germany, or Stalinist Russia, and compare any of the pieces to the writings of Naomi Wolf.


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Posted by Be careful
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 27, 2007 at 11:10 am

Be careful with respect to Northern Irish Nobel peace prize winners. If memory serves me correctly, there was a lot of dissension when this prize was awarded. Something to do with being much too close to siding with hunger strikers, the IRA and anti-Thatcherism.

The Swedish Nobel institute is generally very well regarded, but they did seem to have not looked into all the historical facts when awarding this particular prize.


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Posted by Citizen
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 27, 2007 at 3:28 pm

Wolf does a nice job of showing the dangers we face, but she is naive in her belief that this is something new for the United States.

She's right to mention the Palmer raids. Since then, we've had, among other things, the FBI persecuting people for decades. We are not the shining example we think we are.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 27, 2007 at 5:34 pm

We are a long way from perfect. That is why we must have rule of law, not passion, and why we must limit the authority of government to those fields where they can be effective.


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