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US researchers postulate Israeli tactical nuclear strike on Iran

Original post made by Sharon, Midtown, on Mar 28, 2010


"If Israel goes ahead with this attack, using a refueling base set up in the Saudi desert without Saudi knowledge, Washington will essentially tell its leaders they have "made a mess," and instruct them "to sit in a corner while the United States tries to clean things up."
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Obama has negotiated a reduction of the US/Russian nuclear arsenal this week.

His next goal should be a nuclear free mid east, including Israel, Iran, Pakistan and out of the region--India

Nuclear war in the mid east is not in our interest, no matter who starts it.

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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 29, 2010 at 12:08 am

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War is seldom convenient for anyone, but who cleans up the mess if Iran hits Israel first as it frequently threatens to do?


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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 29, 2010 at 9:08 am

So, Sharon, Israel should ignore Iran's threats to nuke them?
What does General Petraeus say? What about Samuel? How about that Perry fellow?


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Posted by R Wray
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 29, 2010 at 10:00 am

We should backup Israel. A nuclear free Iran is to our advantage.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 29, 2010 at 10:40 am

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We can't always get what we want but sometimes we get what we deserve.
Our post war reluctance to insist on reciprocity in foreign relations has emboldened our enemies and worried our friends.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 29, 2010 at 10:45 am



Actually the Gulf State feel more threatened by a nuclear armed Iran than Israel.

If Iran gets nukes then Saudi Arabia will get them also to counter the threat.

Then Turkey, Egypt etc

A nuclear hornets nest and one that is too unstable for the MAD strategy.

The best solution is to have a completely nuclear free Mid East-- they can have nuclear power plants with very close inspection of all countries by the UN.

Also if Pakistan surrenders its nukes then India has no need for them and should surrender them also.

Obama plans to impose a solution to the Holy Land issues within 2 yrs whether the parties like it or not, and the whole area will be put under Petraeus command and US shield-- that will ruffle some feathers in Israel, but they do not have a choice---$3B / year is a lot of money.

The US needs to put its own interests in the region first and we are now doing just that -- a Pax Americana

The leaks and statements by Petraeus and Gates over the last few weeks are advanced warning of the new strategy and new reality in the region.

There is an important vote coming up at the UN which will further reveal the new US position.


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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 29, 2010 at 10:59 am

"Obama plans to impose a solution to the Holy Land issues within 2 yrs whether the parties like it or not, and the whole area will be put under Petraeus command and US shield"

The above statement is not based on any facts, whatsoever.

"The leaks and statements by Petraeus and Gates over the last few weeks are advanced warning of the new strategy and new reality in the region."

we already discussed this issue on another thread--the "statements" made by Petreaus were shown to be a fantasy made up by an adviser to known terrorist groups


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 29, 2010 at 2:38 pm



Today the Turkish premier in talks with his German counterpart called for a totally nuclear free Mid-East and played down sanctions on Iran.
Turkey is part of NATO.

Also
"U.S. President Barack Obama's demands during his meeting with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last Tuesday point to an intention to impose a permanent settlement on Israel and the Palestinians in less than two years, political sources in Jerusalem say.

Israeli officials view the demands that Obama made at the White House as the tip of the iceberg under which lies a dramatic change in U.S. policy toward Israel.-----

---It is not just Obama's demands that are perceived as problematic, but also the new modus operandi of American diplomacy.
The fact that the White House and State Department have been in contact with Israel's European allies, first and foremost Germany, is seen as part of an effort to isolate Israel and put enormous political pressure on it."Web Link

In the new strategy on the Mid East the key decisions have been made--what we are seeing now is rapid implementation of those decisions--
the moving finger writes......



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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 29, 2010 at 2:47 pm

Sharon makes it sound like the stumbling block to peace in the Middle East is Israel--that is all she writes about in her posts.
Where is the actual fact that the Palestinians in Gaza still call for Israel's destruction? What about the fact that Hamas and Hezbollah have made it clear that they will not make peace with Israel? How does she see the US implementing a permanent settlement (that statement is a joke in itself) if one party is bent on the destruction of the other? Does Sharon not consider that a stumbling block to peace? Apparently not, considering her "Israel is to blame and must be put in it's place" scenario that has she has been championing for the last few years.
Israel has given up the occupation of Gaza completely and what has she gotten in return? I think the answer is clear.
Sharon can continue to write about "impose a permanent settlement on Israel " and "part of an effort to isolate Israel and put enormous political pressure on it" and "new strategy on the Mid East" and "the moving finger writes"--they are all part of an elaborate fantasy involving Israel and the US. Those of us who care about the Middle East will continue to deal with real issues.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 29, 2010 at 3:44 pm



There is, as former secretary of state James Baker has noted, no shortage of chutzpah in this Israeli government.
\ "United States taxpayers are giving Israel roughly $3 billion each year, which amounts to something like $1,000 for every Israeli citizen, at a time when our own economy is in bad shape and a lot of Americans would appreciate that kind of helping hand from their own government,"
Baker said in a recent interview.
"Given that fact, it is not unreasonable to ask the Israeli leadership to respect US policy on settlements."

The origins of the peace process the Obama administration is now trying so desperately to resuscitate do not lie in the unconditional American support for Israel that has become a third rail in national politics over the past two decades.

They lie in the national interest-based tough love of the administration of president George H W Bush.

Grounded in a realist reading of American national interests across the Middle East - at a moment when a military campaign to eject Saddam Hussein's Iraqi forces from Kuwait had put hundreds of thousands of US troops on the ground there -
the first Bush administration recognized the need to balance Israel's reasonable interests with those of its Arab neighbors.

That's why, in 1991, it dragged Israel's hawkish Likud government under prime minister Yitzhak Shamir to the Madrid conference, and so broke Israel's "security" taboo on direct engagement with Yasser Arafat's Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).Web Link

Obama is also following a "tough love" approach to further American Interests in the region and protect the lives of American soldiers.

Part of his agenda is to rid the region of nuclear weapons--- including Israels.

The strategy is quite clear, one does not need to read any tea leaves.

He has the Europeans and Turkey on board with his "Bicycle Built For Two" strategy and he wants done within 2 years.-- come hell or high water--




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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 29, 2010 at 4:34 pm

[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]

Sharon, why don't you mention the issue of Hamas and Hezbollah and desire to destroy Israel?
What is your agenda?


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 29, 2010 at 5:10 pm



Senator Mitchel,Petraeus and others have a plan for dealing with Hamas and Hezbollah---which have both political wings and terrorist wings.

Hamas is the democratically elect government of Gaza and they would win an election in the West Bank, their political wing is much less corrupt than the PLO-- the terrorist wing will lay down there arms or be defeated.

We will talk to the political wing, give them a seat at the table and we will disarm the terrorist wing --- or kill them or isolated them.

That is essential what Mitchel achieved with the IRA and the UDF in Norther Ireland-- he did it in the context of larger negotiations with the UK, Ireland and the EU. He also made sure that funds for the IRA from the US ended.

We negotiated with ANC while it still had a terrorist wing in S Africa.

Petraeus is the world masters at counter insurgency and " hearts and minds" campaigns--- he has a plan.

The purpose of the plan is in the larger context of furthering US interests in the region and saving the lives of American soldiers.


The US strategy in the region has changed-- about time-- all parties have a choice of getting on board with it or they will be isolated and out in the cold.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 29, 2010 at 5:50 pm

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The 3 billion bucks ain't a gift, buckaroos, It is a payment for services rendered, and is matched by an equal payment to Israel's enemies. But you all knew that, didn't you?


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 29, 2010 at 5:57 pm


footnote

If Secretary of State James Baker did in fact say--
the 'Jews "didn't vote for us anyway'
Then he was technically and historically correct, the American Jewish vote is always overwhelmingly Democratic-- why ?-- I do not understand why--

It is what it is----

Anyway-- that is irrelevant to the current matter as the new strategy in the Holy Land and the broader Mid East is Obamas new policy.
The new plan was made some time ago, Obama is now emboldened by his health care victory and he is moving "full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes" on implementing this strategy, he has the support of Europe, Russia, Turkey and the ration Arab and Muslim states behind it-- it is a done deal--
all that is left is execution
and senseless bickering


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 29, 2010 at 6:22 pm


@ Walter_E_Wallis

The dole to Israel is $1000 per person
To Egypt it is less than $10 Per person

Also Egypt is now on board with the Obama/ Peteraus Doctrine

I guess the Beatles were right-- Money Can Not Buy You Love-- so why waste it?


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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 30, 2010 at 9:47 am

Sharon continues to ignore the real stumbling block to peace in the Middle East--the continued calls for the destruction of Israel by Hamas/Hezbollah. She ignores this fact as if it does not exist, yet places the blame squarely on Israel's shoulders.
SHe makes statements that have no basis in facts:

"Senator Mitchel,Petraeus and others have a plan for dealing with Hamas and Hezbollah---which have both political wings and terrorist wings."
There is no plan, because Petaeus' request to include the Israel/Palestine area in his domain was denied. He is relegated to Iraq and Afghanistan. There is no "political" and "terrorist" wing in Hamas and Hezbollah--they are one and the same.

"Hamas is the democratically elect government of Gaza and they would win an election in the West Bank, their political wing is much less corrupt than the PLO-- the terrorist wing will lay down there arms or be defeated."
The economy is thriving in the West Bank due to the cooperation of Israel and Fatah. The US does not recognize Hamas and it is still classified as a terrorist organization

"We will talk to the political wing, give them a seat at the table and we will disarm the terrorist wing --- or kill them or isolated them."
So the US will now send in troops to Gaza to disarm Hamas?


"Petraeus is the world masters at counter insurgency and " hearts and minds" campaigns--- he has a plan."
Petraeus has no authority in Israel/Gaza. His request was denied. He will stay where he is. The rest of Sharon's conjecture about him is fantasy.


"The US strategy in the region has changed-- about time-- all parties have a choice of getting on board with it or they will be isolated and out in the cold."
I guess if you say the same thing over and over it becomes true in some people's minds. No facts exist to suggest that this is even remotely true.

"If Secretary of State James Baker did in fact say--
the 'Jews "didn't vote for us anyway'"
Of more concern is Baker's comments about f---ing the Jews. He has stated his position vis a vis Israel and the JEws--what he ha sto say now is meaningless--it is as if he were a writer and writing about new policy in the Middle East while being an adviser to Hamas and Hezbolah. End of story with regard to Baker

"The dole to Israel is $1000 per person
To Egypt it is less than $10 Per person
Also Egypt is now on board with the Obama/ Peteraus Doctrine'
Actually it works out to $30 per Egyptian,but this is not a per capita calculation. There is no Obama/Petraeus doctrine,s o not sure what Egypt "is on board" with.

Sharon, why don't you mention the issue of Hamas and Hezbollah and desire to destroy Israel?
What is your agenda?


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 30, 2010 at 1:04 pm



>>Sharon, why don't you mention the issue of Hamas and Hezbollah and desire to destroy Israel?>>

1-They may have that desire or that fantasy but they do not have and never will have the capability to make it a reality.

2-They are no threat to the US -- US interests and American soldiers lives are the prime focus of the new US strategy in the region

3- We have relations with 192 UN member states-- many of them face ethnic/ religious disputes and violence. We have to place our own interests first.
If we choose to get involved in these local disputes it will be as neutral honest brokers and with US best interests in mind. Web Link


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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 30, 2010 at 1:11 pm

At last an answer from Sharon--albeit a wrong one:

"1-They may have that desire or that fantasy but they do not have and never will have the capability to make it a reality."
You have that completely wrong. So why should Israel bother to make peace with them, if they refuse to agree to Israel's right to exist?

"2-They are no threat to the US -- US interests and American soldiers lives are the prime focus of the new US strategy in the region"
One can argue this point, but the main point is that there is no "new US strategy in the reason". This issue has beaten to death over a number of threads and is false.

"3- We have relations with 192 UN member states-- many of them face ethnic/ religious disputes and violence. We have to place our own interests first."
We do. That is why we support Israel.

"If we choose to get involved in these local disputes it will be as neutral honest brokers and with US best interests in mind. Web Link"
Link has nothing to do whatsoever with the discussion at hand. We are involved now in a "local" dispute in Afghanistan.
You make the statement as if it is a fact--it is not and has no basis in reality at all. Say things enough times and people will believe them is the mantra of some.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 30, 2010 at 2:53 pm

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The 3 billion bucks is the price we agreed to pay to Israel for giving back a buffer zone between Israel and Arab rockets honorably won with
Sabra blood. The 3 Bil to Egypt is a continuation of the tribute we thought the Marines canceled a while ago in Tripoli.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 30, 2010 at 6:08 pm

Walter--

As you know Israel had very different significance for us in the Cold War when we were concerned with Soviet influence in the region--- thus the $1000 dole per year for every Israeli citizen.
Even then we forced Israel to stop its very lucrative arms trade with S Africa which it had refused to stop.
The Cold War ended a long time ago, our strategy in the region has changed to adapt to new realities, opportunities and threats.
Times have changed, interests have changed, there clear differences of vision between the current Israeli regime and US interests.

Bush had a Wilsonian policy, Obama/Petraeus have a policy of Political Realism in Foreign Affairs Web Link.

Obama will impose his vision on the Holy Land within 2 years, it is clear what his vision is " A Bicycle Build For Two " and Mitchel is there to get it rolling-- the sooner the better.


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Posted by food for thought
a resident of another community
on Mar 31, 2010 at 12:08 am

You know what? I am getting a little tired of hearing this "we should help THE STATE OF ISRAEL BS. Israel is nothing but trouble. They are the reasons our guys/gals are dying in Iraq/Afghanistan and they are NOT WORTH IT. There government is run by lying/manipulative scumbags. What? You don't think Jews/Israel lie and manipulate gullible Americans all the time. Well, maybe you should listen to this discussing to Mr. (?Milton?) Freeman. It will blow your mind. The propaganda you heard about WW2 vs. the other side of the story:

video.google.com/videoplay?do...9731207532170#

Web Link#

P.S. Write down this web address quickly before it goes missing like many other interesting threads on this site.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 31, 2010 at 3:04 am

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If Israel falls to the Barbarians, who do you think is next? Ask the Barbarians and they'll tell you. Save me and my country from the bankruptcy of Realpolitik.


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Posted by Go, Israel
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Mar 31, 2010 at 5:56 am

I completely support Israel if it decides to eradicate yet another nuclear "power" plant that ain't...

I suspect Iraq, now that it is a free nation, will support it also.

Iraqis have more courage than we do..they vote in much higher numbers that we do, in spite of bombings and horrible threats ( hmm..perhaps even more than the supposed spit and "n" word horrors visited on us..none yet documented and shown to us)...they will not give up their freedoms easily, and do not be surprised if they provide undercover support for Israel. I will not be suprised to read of Iraq's covert support in 20 years.

If Iran goes nuclear, the entire region is at huge threat, but the only ones who can do anything about it are Israel, and now Iraq.




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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 31, 2010 at 6:18 am

"Obama/Petraeus have a policy of Political Realism in Foreign Affairs Web Link."

This policy that Sharon continuously talks about is a fantasy. Her link does not lead to anything that has to do with this "new policy". Petraeus is not even head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. These stories have been repeated over and over on a number of threads and have no basis in fact or reality.
This would not happen on News Hour


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Mar 31, 2010 at 8:35 pm



It is not in American interests to have nuclear war in the Mid East, therefore ALL parties need to surrender all nuclear weapons in the region and submit to close and frequent UN inspections.


If you want to understand the new strategy in the region read and listen to Obama and his main team of advisers on these matters

1/Zbigniew Brzezinski Web Link
Known for his hawkish foreign policy at a time when the Democratic Party was increasingly dovish, he is a foreign policy "realist".
Obama introduced Brzezinski as "one of our most outstanding thinkers,"
He recommended that the USA have "a genuine dialogue with Hamas" rather than to isolate it further.Web Link

2/Samantha Power,senior director for multilateral affairs at the National Security CouncilWeb Link

3/ David Petraeus, who made it crystal clear that while our relationships with client states are important, what is more important is the lives of American Soldiers--- good for him


The new strategy in the Holy Land puts American interests first and American Soldiers lives first-- that is Patriotic Realism-- and that is the new policy and strategy--- those who commit to it will thrive, those who do not will fall by the way side.

At the end of the day you agree and commit or you disagree and commit---otherwise you quit and are off and under the bus.

A nuclear free Mid East is in our best interests.


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Posted by food for thought
a resident of another community
on Mar 31, 2010 at 10:39 pm

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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 1, 2010 at 6:42 am

Sharon says:

"3/ David Petraeus, who made it crystal clear that while our relationships with client states are important, what is more important is the lives of American Soldiers--- good for him

The new strategy in the Holy Land puts American interests first and American Soldiers lives first-- that is Patriotic Realism-- and that is the new policy and strategy--- those who commit to it will thrive, those who do not will fall by the way side."

False statements again. Petraeus made no such statements (unless you believe the writings of an adviser to Hamas and HEzbollah).
There is no "new strategy in the Holy Land". This is Sharon's Fantasy. Say it enough times and it becomes true.
These statements would have been challenged on the News Hour.


"At the end of the day you agree and commit or you disagree and commit---otherwise you quit and are off and under the bus."
Another pearl of wisdom from Sharon--cute but no basis in facts or reality.


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Posted by food for thought
a resident of another community
on Apr 2, 2010 at 3:04 pm

Go Israel said: "I completely support Israel if it decides to eradicate yet another nuclear "power" plant that ain't..."

Don't you think it is ironic, even hypocritical, of Israel/USA to attack Iran for wanting a nuclear program because they might threaten their neighbors with it AND THEN CHEER ON AN ISRAEL THREATS OF AN OFFENSIVE ATTACK? You should look in a mirror, Go Israel.

"I suspect Iraq, now that it is a free nation, will support it also."

Please, the majority of Iraq are Shiites and Iran is their brothers. You are sounding a little senile here, Go Israel.

"Iraqis have more courage than we do..they vote in much higher numbers that we do, in spite of bombings and horrible threats"

Yet, they couldn't get rid of Saddam themselves? If you think voting means anything without the will and the means to enforce that vote, you are sadly mistaken AGAIN.

"...they will not give up their freedoms easily,"

Please! LOL


"and do not be surprised if they provide undercover support for Israel. I will not be suprised to read of Iraq's covert support in 20 years."

These people don't like the Israelis. Why do you think we invaded them in the first place? They were the Jews/Israel's enemy. As for helping against Iran, there are many in Iraq that hate Iran. Remember the Iran/Iraq war in which SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS OUR ALLY. This is more proof why Iraq and our other allies can't trust us not to turn on them for Israel in the end!

"If Iran goes nuclear, the entire region is at huge threat, but the only ones who can do anything about it are Israel, and now Iraq."

Why do you care who is threatened in the middleeast? You don't live there, do you? By the way, the U.S. government admittedly never proved on Iraqi was involved in 9/11 and yet we killed millions of their people and their leaders. Was that Christian? When the U.S. and their allies unlawfully attacked the Russians and their allies in the Caucuses/Georgia, were you for what illegal incursion? Do you still believe the U.S. government's lie about Russia provoking that attack? Please! 9/11 wasn't done by Alkida. It was done by the U.S. government and the Israeli massad. You really need to research the Hegelian Dialectic, Go Israel. You routing to the very people that pulled off 911 in the first place. Geez!

P.S. I bet you think I made that up out of them air. Nope! If you research videos on YouTube, you will find videos from people in our own military stating Israel was behind 911. This doesn't even count the Architects and Engineers (ex. www.AE911.org ?.com?), the WTC janitor, fightfighters, etc. who have come forward on programs like www.infowars.com to state the government's official story is pure bunk. Go Israel, you need to come out of the Matrix!


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 6, 2010 at 10:23 pm



President Barack Obama's administration has unveiled a defense policy to significantly narrow the circumstances in which the US would use nuclear arms.Web Link


Obamas initiative to rid the Mid East, Iran,Israel, etc plus India and Pakistan of nuclear weapons is good and will help his earning the Nobel Prize?------


But how will will deal with the predicted attack on the USA by WMDS

Whereas in the past a foe could never be completely sure that an attack would not evoke a nuclear response, now a prospective foe has the assurance of a US President that he is immune from certain weapons under the given circumstances.
One could argue that by restricting the circumstances of a US nuclear response Obama has made harder to escalate a conflict.
But the counterargument can be made that President Obama has made the use of chemical and biological warfare that much more likely because prospective foes are, like mischievous children encouraged to test the stated boundaries and run the risk of accidentally crossing the line.

Chemical and biological agents are difficult to detect but easier to smuggle--- look at the drugs that cross the border--

What is the response?--- using LSD or HIV to retaliate ?

It looks like Drone targeted assassinations are the preferred option--but they will have to be preemptive---

Still it is a good idea to have a nuclear free Mid East



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Posted by History tells us what will happen next
a resident of Leland Manor/Garland Drive
on Apr 9, 2010 at 4:39 am

www.drudgereport.com

Link above to drudge report with a photo of Obama pressing up against Netanyahu pointing a finger in his chest...

Along the lines of the photos of him aggressively leaning forward and pointing a finger at Karzai

And with those of him bowing to the Saudi king, kissing the ring of the Japanese emporer, and hugging Chavez..

is anyone else getting the picture of who and what this guy and his party are?

I used to think he was just stupid and ignorant..

I now think it is all purposeful...our enemies now hate us and laugh at us, instead of hate us and fear us ( I prefer the latter), our friends are distrustful and fear us. Appease our enemies and tee off our friends. Destroy our economy, making everyone poorer.

He is not necesssarily the problem, of course. What is really scary to me is that the people of the USA were fooled and manipulated into voting for this ideology, now running the show in all ways, in all areas here and abroad. How will they not be this fooled again?

What a disaster.

It is really, really sad that we have to relearn this lesson every generation, as if neither we nor anyone else in the world has ever had to go through the consequences of this political/economic destructive ideology.

Folks really can't stand this guy, he is more unpopular than NIXON was in my youth, and more so than Bush was in his LAST MONTH of office after 8 years!!...after only 14 months in office. That is quite an accomplishment.

I can only hope that we can start teaching our youth real history and real economics..every single one getting out of high school.. start getting good history books a la the new Texas books and the NEXT generation of voters learns reality, starting with FDR, the effects of the Great Society entitlements and their expansion through the "war on poverty", the real causes of us leaving Vietnam and the consequences of THAT decision etc.



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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 9, 2010 at 11:22 am


The tipping point has arrived.

We can expect big developments soon in the Holy Land

1/ Implementation of the " Bicycle Built For Two " solution

2/ Initiatives to rid the region of nuclear weapons.

"Binyamin Netanyahu's last-minute decision to cancel his attendance at the US-sponsored summit on nuclear terror, opening in Washington Monday, April 11.

The White House is furious over the withdrawal, coming as it did shortly after the US and Russian presidents signed a 30 percent warhead reduction treaty in Prague..........


Israeli government circles were advised to read two reports leaked to US newspapers ( Washington Post: Obama weighs new peace plan for the Middle East and the New York Times: Should US design Mideast peace plan?) which appeared to herald the White House's intention to impose a peace settlement on Israel.........

Our sources in Washington and Jerusalem named National Security Adviser James Jones as the source of the leaks.
One senior source said the leaked reports were serious because "President Obama has his mind set on getting the borders of Israel and the future Palestinian state negotiated and settled in four months."Web Link


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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 9, 2010 at 11:54 am

"The tipping point has arrived."
Not it hasn't. Say it enough times and it still will not come true.

"We can expect big developments soon in the Holy Land
1/ Implementation of the " Bicycle Built For Two " solution
2/ Initiatives to rid the region of nuclear weapons."
The first point is a fantasy. There is no evidence for such a "solution". Besides Sharon's postings about this matter, it is nowhere to be found in the legitiamte press.

"The White House is furious over the withdrawal, coming as it did shortly after the US and Russian presidents signed a 30 percent warhead reduction treaty in Prague.........."
How do you know this? Who is your source at the White House?

"Israeli government circles were advised to read two reports leaked to US newspapers ( Washington Post: Obama weighs new peace plan for the Middle East and the New York Times: Should US design Mideast peace plan?) which appeared to herald the White House's intention to impose a peace settlement on Israel........."
Just on Israel? Won't the peace settlement also be "imposed" on Hamas, Hezbollah and the other nations in the area? How do you impose a peace solution on an entity, whose aim is to destroy Israel.
Sharon, unfortunately, continues to place the blame for the lack of a solution in the Middle East on Israel's shoulder's while ignoring the actions of Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations in the area. Maybe that comes from reading the writings of Mark Perry, a former adviser to Hamas and Hezbollah

"Our sources in Washington and Jerusalem named National Security Adviser James Jones as the source of the leaks."
Who are your sources in Washington and Jerusalem, Sharon? Interesting that you claim that the current US National Security adviser is leaking secret information. Do you have any proof for tarnishing his name and reputation?
Perhaps this story will interest you:
Web Link
"United States National Security Advisor James Jones said Friday the administration was discussing how to jump-start the lagging Middle East peace process, but did not have a new plan to offer."


"One senior source said the leaked reports were serious because "President Obama has his mind set on getting the borders of Israel and the future Palestinian state negotiated and settled in four months."Web Link "
Do you actually know the background of the link you are posting.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 9, 2010 at 12:53 pm

Suppose that in addition to his Nobel Prize and "historical" role in mandating a public health care system, President Obama now wants to be remembered as ---
1/ The "man who abolished nuclear weapons",
2/ Who imposed the "Bicycle Build For Two " solution to the Holy Land and
3/ Who kept war from breaking out in the Middle East.

But what odds would you really give him? And who pays if he loses?




From The Atlantics Jeffrey Goldberg Today

"Roger L. Simon usefully posts a translation of a recent article from Ma'ariv,Web Link which reports that the U.S. is no longer regularly granting visas to Israeli scientists associated with the Dimona nuclear facility.
The best way to judge the strength and health of the relationship between Israel and the U.S. is not by watching what the Obama Administration says about the number of apartments Israel is building in East Jerusalem, but by watching how the Administration treats the unwritten forty-year-old agreement between the two countries that allowed Israel to avoid signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
In exchange for reduced American pressure, Golda Meir promised Richard Nixon that she would keep her country's nuclear program invisible, or at least "opaque."

It is true that Bibi Netanyahu is skipping Obama's nuclear summit because he fears an ambush by Egypt and Turkey, which both want Israel's nukes on the table (what they really want, of course, is nukes of their own, and who wouldn't?), but Netanyahu wouldn't skip this meeting,
I think, if he thought Obama had his back on opacity.
If Ma'ariv has it right, though, this aspect of the "special relationship" might be coming to an end.Web Link


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Posted by The Real Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 9, 2010 at 12:58 pm

Sharon states (once again):

"2/ Who imposed the "Bicycle Build For Two " solution to the Holy Land and"

There is no "Bicycle Build For Two " solution" for the Mideast. This is fantasy made up by Sharon. Saying a few more times will still not make it come true.

[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff.]


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 9, 2010 at 6:02 pm


in addition, Perhaps Obama is sending a very strong simple signal to Israel.

>>>"Don't even think of attacking Iran, because unlike past administrations, I am not going to back your play.
>>> And to prove it, I, Barack Obama am going to publicly drag you through the mud so that there will be no doubt whatsoever that whatever you do, you're on your own. And maybe we'll come in against you.

In a remarkable interview Zbigniew Brzezinski implied that any Israeli airstrike on Iran should be met by American resistance.
His verbatim quote is:



Posner: How aggressive can Obama be in insisting to the Israelis that a military strike on Iran might be in America's worst interest?

ZB: We are not exactly impotent little babies. They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?

Posner: What if they fly over anyway?

ZB: Well, we have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren't just saying it.
If they fly over, you go up and confront them.
They have the choice of turning back or not.
No one wishes for this but it could be a Liberty in reverse.[Israeli jet fighters and torpedo boats attacked the USS Liberty in international waters, off the Sinai Peninsula, during the Six-Day War in 1967. Israel later claimed the ship was the object of friendly fire.]


Amazing!


Read it all Web Link

ZB along with Samantha Power are among Obamas most senior advisers,
she is a member of the NSC


The moving finger writes----

Major changes are taking place in US foreign policy in the region

Whats is next?


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 9, 2010 at 9:47 pm

Update

Obamas plan to rid, at least the unstable world, from nukes has broad based support including the EU and is a good idea

Turkey is a new voice for sanity in this matter--they have a history of friendly relationships with Israel and are a NATO member.

There is a chill in their relationship with the extremist regime of Lieberman et alia

But Obama has made his policy clear and it is moving forward rapidly
"The French newspaper Le Monde quoted Erdogan as saying in Paris this week that "Israel is the principal threat to peace in the region today."

"Israel has nuclear weapons but doesn't belong to the NPT. Does that mean that those who don't sign the NPT are in a privileged position?"Web Link

Keeping the Mid East free of nukes is a good idea and action to that end is taking place right now.

Obviously this is an emotional issue for some, but our USA best interests demand that firm action and adult supervision take place at once .

Obama has set a 4 month deadline for the " Bicycle Built For Two" solution to the Holy Land and has implemented broader initiatives in the region-- good luck
Foreign Policy has a lively discussion among key academics about this issue of American best interests in these disputes see Web Link

As General Petraeus asks about these matters---
How Does It End?
he gave his view earlier last month and powerful people have listened, understood and committed to his vision.

It may be just a mopping up operation from now on-- looks like it


what will be Bibis fate? he used to work for Bain-- can he get a visa?


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 12, 2010 at 8:29 pm


Some positive results from the 47 nation nuke conference today
"Ukraine has agreed to eliminate its stockpile of weapons-grade nuclear material, the US said, as a nuclear security summit opened in Washington.

The White House said Ukraine would by 2012 get rid of enough highly enriched uranium to build "several weapons". "Web Link

Also some positive moves on Irans ambitions and potential consequences
by Russia and china-- with a cautionary note

"An Israeli strike of Iran's nuclear facilities could spark a nuclear conflict, which could spiral into a global catastrophe, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev told ABC on Monday, adding that he supported what he called "smart" sanctions on Tehran as part of attempt to make it abandon its nuclear program. "Web Link

The rubber will hit the road next month at the Nuclear Non Proliferation Conference, the 3 events so far are a lead up to that.

It looks like Obama is sincere and forceful in his plan to limit who has nukes and has at least 47 states behind him as of today

Good move and good luck moving forward.

The original plan of the UN was that only the permanent members of the Security Council-- England, USA, China, Russia and France should have nukes --it looks like we are going to reestablish that model which worked for 50yrs.

We will see next month how it plays out---


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Posted by History tells us what will happen next
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Apr 13, 2010 at 5:24 am

Well, Obama is bowing to Chinese Communists ( latest photo Web Link), kissing rings of Saudi Kings, bowing to Japanese emporers, hugging marxist Chavez...

and snubbing/denigrating/*&^%ing off our democratic/constitution friends in Europe and the Middle East.

What do you think this Admin's response will be to Israel doing us the favor of taking out the nuke in Iran?

Anyone can write all he or she wants, ( including "Sharon") about
"fewer nukes" and "safer world"..human nature always has been and always will be the survival by those willing to punch back harder. Starts on the playground and continues throughout our lives. Bullies will always punch, for any "excuse", the only way to stop 'em is to punch back...harder...so they think twice before punching again.

This Admin is a danger to us. We have to stop him and his ilk. He and that DemParty has been steeped in foolishness and is putting us all in severe danger. Along the lines of the kid schooled by his society/parents to "turn and run" away from the bully and "tattle" on him to the principal by the time he gets to Middle School. That works for kindergarteners, but by 6th grade, you better have a kid who can stand up for himself or he will be targeted for the rest of his middle and high school education.


We WERE that kid until Bush 2 came along..and we are turning back into that kid, setting ourselves up for more attacks as the bullies of the world denigrate our president and country.

The enemies of freedom will always hate us..I would rather they hate and fear us than hate and laugh at us.

As my moniker says..check out history, start with Chamberlain, and tell me what will happen next.





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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 14, 2010 at 12:12 am



The definition of a bully these days is completely subjective and relative-- thanks post-modern educational theory--- one mans bully is another mans freedom fighter.

Chamberlain gets a bad rap, there was nothing he could but play for time until England could rearm, the allies were in even worse shape.

The treaty of Versailles, that ended WW 1, was the most extremist kind of bullying---it led directly to the the complete demoralization and humiliation of Germany and was a direct caused of the subsequent horror.
The permanent members of the UN security council should keep their nukes ie Russia, China, USA, England and France, they have never used them since the UN was established -- everyone else should be disarmed of them under grave threat for non compliance.

Arms control is primarily a political task.
As technology advances eventually there will be so many dangerous 'whats' that nonproliferation will become a question of 'who'. In a few years weapons like biologicals may become more dangerous than the original Hiroshima bomb.
September 11 showed that the modern life contained so many potentially lethal objects, like wide-body airplanes, that preventing mass mayhem must shift to finding bad guys and having the permanent members of the UN security council control the ultimate doomsday weapons.

The surprise at the summit was the way the press was excluded---

Today the Washington Post writes Web Link
"Obama's disregard for media reaches new heights at nuclear summit". In an article bylined Dana Milbank, the WaPo says "World leaders arriving in Washington for President Obama's Nuclear Security Summit must have felt for a moment that they had instead been transported to Soviet-era Moscow.
In the middle of it all was Obama — occupant of an office once informally known as "leader of the free world" — putting on a clinic for some of the world's greatest dictators in how to circumvent a free press."


A world which can control nuclear weapons (as a opposed to a world without nuclear weapons) is one which aspires to a minimum standard of governance.
In the short run it may be necessary to limit Press access at a summit of this nature.
But in the long run any world political system which is hostile to transparency will fail utterly at preventing the spread and use of weapons of mass destruction.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 14, 2010 at 2:48 pm



Obama is getting wide acclaim for the nuke summit

eg

"Securing loose nuclear materials is a lot easier and cheaper to do than addressing climate change, for example, and there are hardly any counter-arguments against it. I mean, does anybody really think poorly guarded bombs or inadequately secured weapons-grade uranium is a good thing?

So Obama's team deserves credit for this initial effort, and for managing to pull off a meeting of 47 presidents, prime ministers, and other world leaders with virtually no visible rifts, fireworks, or gaffes. On a first reading, I'd give 'em an A-. Web Link

But the Lieberman regime in Israel is seen as still having very a long way to go in terms of transparency --- and now freedom of the press
"Given the Obama administration's previous assurances to Israel that it would not be unfairly singled out at this summit, Netanyahu's no-show decision reflects how deep is the lack of trust coming from the Israeli side or the desire to convey that message.
Yet even if this was not another intentional snub of the American President, not showing up at such a friendly international forum suggests perhaps that even Prime Minister Netanyahu doesn't believe in a policy of nuclear opacity. " Web Link

Not to mention the current crisis in Israel over its version of the " Pentagon Papers" with Anat Kamm in the role of Daniel Ellsberg.

Developing---


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Posted by History tells us what will happen next
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Apr 15, 2010 at 4:35 am

Per Sharon's post above: "The definition of a bully these days is completely subjective and relative-- thanks post-modern educational theory--- one mans bully is another mans freedom fighter."

As Orwell does a big "told ya'" from his grave.

FYI: Freedom fighter used to mean those fighting to free themselves from oppression, which used to mean fighting those who were stopping one living how one wished to live. Apparently there are some who believe, thanks to post-modern education theory if one believes Sharon's post- that a freedom fighter now includes anyone fighting to oppress others.

By this same thinking, Chamberlain was a victim and did nothing to contribute to the rise of facsism, and all those who fought ( died, suffered, and won) against it when we finally woke up to the monster created by appeasement. The eventual victors were just, you know, accidentally there and had nothing to do with defeating the Nazis who had teamed up with Mussolini and the North African Dictators. ( not much has changed since then, either, in who the North African/Middle East dictators choose to admire in history, nor be friends with, please note).


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