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Why are the HSR land maps being withheld from the public?

Original post made by tooclosetocaltrain on Feb 21, 2010

If you were at the Menlo Park meeting Friday on high-speed rail, you must have seen the very fuzzy/blurry maps they provided that gave the path of the new train. I couldn't see them, and many other people said the same thing. It was as if they had blurred them for some reason. The Daily Post has been writing about this for the past several days. The Post apparently sent the CHRA a freedom of informmation request for the letters in Janaury, and was first told the maps would be forthcoming and now has been told they don't exist.

[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff due to possible copyright infringement.]

Mayor Burt needs to push the CHRA harder to get these maps out to the public.

Comments (6)

Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Feb 21, 2010 at 12:11 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Anyone in proximity of HSR is advised to seek legal representation NOW to establish a formula for inverse condemnation price either for absolute taking or for diminished value. An association of potentially affected properties would spread the cost and might even be reimbursable.


Posted by Bob, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Feb 21, 2010 at 12:21 pm

Throughout all of this discussion regarding seizing property by eminent domain or otherwise, I have read no comments by the PAUSD about the probable loss of buildings and a sizable portion of the football field to say nothing of the danger to students and staff of having HSR so close to any school buildings. I have read nothing from the Palo Alto Medical Foundation regarding the impact on its relatively new Sports Medicine Building and the three story parking garage adjacent now to the tracks. Or the Sheraton or the Westin or the Stanford Park Hotel - the later to lose part of the hotel itself. Historic train stations are in the path. All of this 'impact' was carefully concealed from the voting public AND to those a long the proposed route, and those who voted on this were in every corner of California and would not be affected. Why aren;t they speaking up - or are they?


Posted by Clem, a resident of another community
on Feb 21, 2010 at 12:41 pm

@Bob: the right of way is 85 feet wide at Paly. The football field will be fine, as will the shanties along the back fence. PAMF isn't even close to being impacted by land takes. The bike path may be a goner, however, since it is built on Caltrain's land.


Posted by dawn, a resident of Green Acres
on Feb 21, 2010 at 1:56 pm

When the train comes by Paly, it won't be pretty. They'll either have to push Alma to the east, which means taking out all of the houses fronting Alma on that side of the street, or ....

if they put the HSR on the west side of CalTrain, they will have to chop off part of the classrooms on the east end of the Paly lot ... right now those classrooms are about 40' from the tracks, not enough for HSR, which needs 100'


Posted by chris, a resident of University South
on Feb 21, 2010 at 3:03 pm

Dawn, your opinion is completely unsubstantiated by facts.
Could you please do some research before you display your ignorance?
Nobody has suggested that HSR will take 100 feet in addition to Caltrain.


Posted by Parent, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Feb 22, 2010 at 8:06 pm

Chris - really? Do you have maps? What is your substantiated proof that they do not?

Bob Doty's published documents say they need 100ft ROW (not in additional to Caltrain, but in total.

If they are suggesting 20 high speed trains per hour abutted up against the outer edge of the row - that damaged a hell of a lot of property value - whether CHSRA thinks they get away without paying for it or not (Hint: Not)

Substantiated proof? That's the exact point of the original post. Where's the documentation. They are LIARS if they are saying the documents don't exist - because the FACT is they are working off maps right now to come up with their alternatives. They HAVE the information, Doty admitted as much to the PA city council.


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