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was the Ashley Todd "mugging" a hoax?

Original post made by John M on Oct 24, 2008

Ashley Todd is a John McCain campaign volunteer. She claimed that she was robbed of money she just withdrew from a Pittsburg ATM by a "large black man". When the man saw the John McCain bumper sticker on her car, he beat her and carved a "B" on her cheek with a 4 inch knife. She refused to go to the hospital for a medical checkup.

Reportedly, John McCain and Sarah Palin personally called Ashley Todd to expressing sympathy.

Today, Pittsburg police are saying bank cameras and ATM records prove that she was never at the ATM where she claims she was mugged. Police all say that her wound was superficial and not caused by a knife. And the "B" was backwards, like what you would see in a mirror.

The police have asked the woman to take a like detector test to try to figure out what really happened.

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Comments (52)

Posted by Garon, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 24, 2008 at 10:47 am

Wonder if the RNC had anything to do with this hoax. If we can tie McCain and/or Palin to it, they will be toast


Posted by Lisa, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 24, 2008 at 10:48 am

I believe it was a hoax. These people would do absolutely anything to get elected so they can continue the destruction of this country and the world for another four years.


Posted by tj, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Oct 24, 2008 at 11:21 am



Blame the victim again

Shamefull


Posted by You bet cha!, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 24, 2008 at 11:50 am

Maurita Bryant, the assistant chief of the police department's investigations division, says 20-year-old Ashley Todd is being charged with making a false report to police.

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Posted by Greg K, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 24, 2008 at 12:02 pm

Was this the act of mentally unstable young woman looking for attention? Or is has the entire McCain campaign become that desperate?


Posted by Garon, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 24, 2008 at 12:07 pm

TJ--read the facts about this case--she made the whole thing up. She is no victim. Now we need to find out how high up this went in the RNC--McCain and Palin could be taost


Posted by John M, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 24, 2008 at 12:09 pm

The latest news reports say that Ashley Todd has confessed to the hoax.

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Police said "Ms. Todd indicated that she has had prior mental problems" and she does not remember how the "B" got on her face. "She stated that she thinks she may have done it herself because she was the only one in the car. When she looked in the rearview mirror and saw the "B" on her face she said she thought of Barrack. Once she told her friend the story and once the police were called she had to stick with it."


Posted by Dumb meets Dumber, a resident of Professorville
on Oct 24, 2008 at 12:16 pm

Nut cases are every where.

Remember this:
Morton Downey, Jr.
In 1989, as fascination with Downey's TV show began to wane, he was involved in an incident in a San Francisco International Airport restroom in which he claimed to have been attacked by neo-Nazis who painted a swastika - backwards - on his face and attempted to shave his head. Some inconsistencies in Downey's account (e.g., the swastika was painted in reverse, suggesting that Downey had drawn it himself in a mirror), and the failure of the police to find supportive evidence, led many to suspect that the incident was a hoax and a plea for attention.



Posted by Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 24, 2008 at 12:26 pm



Smelled fishy from the get go, usually these thing happen on the left but this time is an exception, pathetic


Posted by Greg K, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 24, 2008 at 12:36 pm

Even Fox News isn't trying to spin this one:
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Posted by The Real Sharon, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 24, 2008 at 12:39 pm

Love Sharon's spin on it--never failing to try to put down the Deomcrats--she did get the pathetic right, though in the wrong context


Posted by Nolan, a resident of Greenmeadow
on Oct 24, 2008 at 1:05 pm

I say this as an independent. Isn't it possible she's a troubled woman whose mental illness caused her to do something illegal? Even if she knowingly did it (from a legal standpoint), isn't it possible she's just on her own and this doesn't "go to the top" of the McCain Palin campaign? Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, that's kind of ridiculous?

Had she been an Obama supporter claiming a mugger carved an "M" into her face (or a J, maybe), we'd hear the same story we did now, and the republicans would be claiming it rises to the top of the Obama campaign.

This party-based extremism is really unhealthy for our country and its getting old, fast. I think you are seeing more centrists getting tired of the whole thing. A lot of people are only voting for obama because they want change from the perceived and real ineffectiveness of the Bush administration.



Posted by Garon, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 24, 2008 at 1:09 pm

I do not think that Mccain and Palin have been honest about their connection with Ashley Todd and I think it is important for the American people to know about this connection. Why have they been palling around with her? Is she a socialist?


Posted by John M, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 24, 2008 at 1:21 pm

Interesting editorial from the VP of Fox News:

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If Ms. Todd's allegations are proven accurate, some voters may revisit their support for Senator Obama, not because they are racists (with due respect to Rep. John Murtha), but because they suddenly feel they do not know enough about the Democratic nominee.

If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain's quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting.


Posted by tj, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Oct 24, 2008 at 1:52 pm



In the what is worth department, she was a Ron Paul supporter before she was a McCain supporter according to her MySpace page which also says as its banner "Lying is the most fun you can have with your clothes on."

We don't need nut cases like this.
Get her the help she needs and then prosecute her.


Posted by Circular Firing Squad has begun, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Oct 24, 2008 at 2:03 pm

At his Northern Virginia headquarters, some McCain aides are already speaking of the campaign in the past tense. Morale, even among some of the heartiest and most loyal staffers, has plummeted. And many past and current McCain advisers are warring with each other over who led the candidate astray.

One well-connected Republican in the private sector was shocked to get calls and resumes in the past few days from what he said were senior McCain aides — a breach of custom for even the worst-off campaigns.

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Posted by Greg K, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 24, 2008 at 2:11 pm

Yeah, many big name Republicans are jumping ship. Just today, former Governor William Weld and former US Solicitor General Charles Fried endorsed Barack Obama. Fried resigned from several McCain campaign advisory committees when he announced that he had already absentee voted for Obama.

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Posted by That Explains It!, a resident of Greater Miranda
on Oct 24, 2008 at 4:12 pm

tj:
"In the what is worth department, she was a Ron Paul supporter before she was a McCain supporter"

Supporting Ron Paul is, of course, generally recognized as the first sign of mental instability, after all.


Posted by Yes, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Oct 24, 2008 at 6:58 pm

And when the symptoms worsen, you support McCain!


Posted by Peter, a resident of another community
on Oct 24, 2008 at 9:25 pm

Ms. Todd was taken off in cuffs today. And "John McCain's Pennsylvania communications director told reporters in the state an incendiary version of the hoax story about the attack on a McCain volunteer well before the facts of the case were known or established -- and even told reporters outright that the "B" carved into the victim's cheek stood for "Barack," according to multiple sources familiar with the discussions."

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Posted by Greg K, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 24, 2008 at 9:40 pm

According to the Pittsburg newspapers, when she was a Ron Paul campaigner, Ashley Todd's car was vandalized because it had Ron Paul bumper stickers on it. Or so she claims.

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Posted by No Sympathy Here, a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on Oct 24, 2008 at 10:02 pm

Ah yes, pulling the "victim" card - just like her heros, Pathetic Palin ("sexism, sexism") and McSame ("the media HATES me, boo-hoo").


Posted by but seriously, a resident of College Terrace
on Oct 25, 2008 at 7:44 am

When will the McCain campaign publicly repudiate her lies?


Posted by Donald, a resident of Stanford
on Oct 25, 2008 at 8:23 am

Everyone from the College Republicans to the right wing talk show hosts to the Republican Party officials who were pushing this race-baiting hoax a couple of days ago are now running away from this woman as fast as they can. Texas A&M University, where the woman claims she was a student, has denied any knowledge of her. Pittsburg police are holding her pending a psychiatric evaluation.

Fox News, of all people, is likely correct about the bottom line impact of this story:

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October 23rd, 2008 9:32 PM Eastern
Moment of Truth
It had to happen.

by John Moody, Executive Vice President of Fox News

Less than two weeks before we vote for a new president, a white woman says a black man attacked her, then scarred her face, and says there was a political motive for it.

Ashley Todd, a 20-year-old white volunteer for John McCain's presidential campaign, says she was mugged at an ATM machine in Pittsburgh (my hometown) by a big black man. She further says he threw her down, then disfigured her by carving the letter "B" into her face with a sharp implement when he saw that she supported McCain, not Barack Obama.

Part of the appeal of, and the unspoken tension behind, Senator Obama's campaign is his transformational status as the first African-American to win a major party's presidential nomination.

That does not mean that he has erased the mutual distrust between black and white Americans, and this incident could become a watershed event in the 11 days before the election.

If Ms. Todd's allegations are proven accurate, some voters may revisit their support for Senator Obama, not because they are racists (with due respect to Rep. John Murtha), but because they suddenly feel they do not know enough about the Democratic nominee.

If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain's quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting.

For Pittsburgh, a city that has done so much to shape American history over the centuries, another moment of truth is at hand.



Posted by Greg K, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 25, 2008 at 8:54 am

I have to agree with Fox News on this one. The issue is no longer the woman herself. The police acted efficiently and she will likely get the help she needs. The issue now is how the Republicans tried to use this story for political gain. That is not just far right bloggers and talk show hosts, but senior McCain staffers like the ones quoted in the various news reports. If this story were true, perhaps they could have used it to turn Pennsylvania and other battleground states to vote for McCain. But now that it is proven false, the American voters are going to tell them where they can take this kind of nonsense. The only issue that really matters in this election is the economy and distractions (especially lies) are not welcome.


Posted by but seriously, a resident of College Terrace
on Oct 25, 2008 at 9:10 am

I do disagree with Fox on one point. I think that if it had proved true, it would have turned voters because they felt they could not trust blacks, not becuaes they felt they did not know enough about Obama. This woman clearly needs help, but McCain's campaign tanked ethically on the way they exploited the story and pretended it was true. It will make a lot of voters question whether the other allegations (directly against Obama) are true or whether they are justlies that have not yet been unmasked. More than "who is the real Obama?" the question is becoming "What does McCain stand for?" With Republicans jumping to Obama's cause in the name of crossing the aisle and uniting the country, McCain's campaign is as usual slow on the uptake and still thinking that there is a place for racist and divisive politics during this crisi in American history.


Posted by McCain Is Done, a resident of Midtown
on Oct 25, 2008 at 10:20 am

"What does McCain stand for?"

How about trying to get Joe-the-Plumber votes by dressing up a former beauty queen in $150,000 worth of Neiman-Marcus clothes?

BTW: She's ain't "hot" in my book. He should have tried someone like Vanna White instead (and she probably has about as much experience as Palin anyway - she "managed" to turn all those letters over properly for so many years now, after all).


Posted by anonymous, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 25, 2008 at 11:23 am

The clothing story is nonsense. I bet every politician for high office spends a ton of money on clothes: how about Willie Brown for an example of a sharp dressing politician?!


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 25, 2008 at 11:24 am

Surely the backwards "B" should have made the whole thing dicey from the get-go.

I'd guess the girl was a "cutter"--that this is probably not the first self-injury she's inflicted. It can be a symptom of borderlline personality disorder, in which case, she's going to need a lot of help.

I don't think it would change the election any more than Sarah Palin's Yahoo! account getting hacked. Too short term and I think people voting for Obama have processed the race issue at some level.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 25, 2008 at 11:53 am

When over 90% of blacks are voting for Obama, it is hard to argue that race is not an issue in this election. Obama also gets a lot of travel from whites who would feel guilty for not voting for a first black president. There are some whites who will not vote for a black man, period, but where is the evidence that this is a major elelment in this election? I think a lot of this stuff gets confused with Obama's condescension towards rural whites (guns and religion).

McCain and Palin had every right to bring up Obama's former paster (Wright), yet they have said little. They have brought up his relationship with Ayers, and why not? If Obama was a young, inexperienced white liberal, he would have faced much tougher criticisms, by both whites and blacks. The bottom line is that race has benefitted Obama in this election cycle.

BTW, the so-called "Bradley effect" is an urban myth. It did not exist, and it does not exist. Polls tend to underestimate conservative voters, becasue many of us do not like to respond to polls. If McCain wins this election, or loses by less than expected, there will be the same shrill cries of racism by the James Carville types out there...but that is all it is, becasue it is not based on fact.


Posted by Huh?, a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 25, 2008 at 11:59 am

Gary, what is that post supposed to mean? If rich people are voting for McCain (hint: they are), is class a big issue in the election and McCain to blame for it? If Alaskans vote for Palin, is Alaska an issue in the election? Affinities are not issues, my friend.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 25, 2008 at 12:06 pm

Huh?

90% of rich people are NOT voting for McCain. Neither are 90% of Alaskans. Affinities, based on race, are usuallly called racism. I have no idea what your post means.


Posted by Huh?, a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 25, 2008 at 12:31 pm

Gary, racism is prejudice, hatred, or intolerance against other groups, not affinity for one's own. We all have an affinity for people like ourselves; the issue is whether we negatively pre-judge people who are different. But you knew that, right?

I didn't say that 90% of anybody was voting for McCain (that might be a long shot even among his family members!). You seem to think the percent has a lot to do with it - not sure why.

But even then - when Bill Clinton ran, he did pretty well with blacks. Was race an issue is his elections? Did "race benefit him" (not sure what that means). If you are saying "isn't that Obama guy lucky to be black" I guess that is worth a chuckle.

Again, not sure what point you are trying to make. Trying to spin that Obama somehow "made race an issue" (by being black - what a sneaky trick!) while McCain took the high ground and did not? If that gives you comfort, then go with it.





Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 25, 2008 at 1:19 pm

"Gary, racism is prejudice, hatred, or intolerance against other groups, not affinity for one's own."

Huh?

Oh, is that the definition? If 90% of white people voted for McCain, becasue he is white, and they have an "affinity" for white people, you would be crying racism all over the map.

This may come as a surprise to you, but blacks can just as racist as whites. That's part of being truly equal.

Obama, indeed, benefits from being black, in this election cycle. Colin Powell, for example, probably would not have endorsed him, if he had white skin. Obama wins the white guilt vote, along with 90% (or more) of the black vote. His advantage more than outweighs those who would not vote for him, because he is black. How ironic, since many blacks did not consider him black enough, when this thing started.

Obama has been treated with velvet gloves in this campaign, because he is black. If he wins, it will be interesting to see how long his honeymoon is with the NYT, Wash. Post, LA Times, etc. They will bend over backwards, but even they have a limit...at a certain point, the beneficial effects of Obama's race will fade away, and he will need to be treated as an equal.


Posted by Huh?, a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 25, 2008 at 2:21 pm

Wow, Gary, we seem to have struck a chord. Yes, that's pretty much the definition of racism - I looked it up to post for you! And no, affinities aren't racism, sorry. If the Italians vote for Cuomo (dating myself), the Latinos for their candidate, the Asians for theirs - if that's racism, the term just loses its meaning.

I did laugh aloud at your analysis of all the advantages of Obama being black. So lucky for him, it almost seems unfair! A white guy just can't catch a break in this country I guess. Perhaps if McCain had had the good fortune to be born at least partially a downtrodden minority instead of the son of an white admiral, he'd have been President - we'll never know.


Posted by John M, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 25, 2008 at 2:37 pm

Here's an interesting story from today's Pittsburgh newspaper:
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Ashley Todd's roommate says he took the now infamous "B" photos that you see everywhere on the internet. He says the only person he sent the photos to was Ashley Todd's boss at the College Republican National Committee. The photos then somehow instantly appeared on a every possible right-wing web site and talk shows, even before the police had a chance to investigate.

I don't think there is any doubt that Ashley Todd acted alone in starting this hoax, but it is also pretty obvious that there was a conspiracy between the Republican Party and the right-wing media to exaggerate and exploit it after the fact.

Ashley Todd is a troubled, perhaps pathetic, young woman who has confessed to her crime and will probably be getting the psychiatric help that she needs. The Republican party, on the other hand, still needs to admit to their roll in this scandal.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 25, 2008 at 3:01 pm

"affinities aren't racism, sorry."

Huh?

Really? A "white" affinity group would be accused of being racist. If a "White Students Union" attempted to be formed on a college campus, you and yours would go crazy with charges of racism.

If 90% of any racial or ethnic group, in an open election in this country votes for a candidate, it is abundantly clear that it is a racist/ethnic vote...blacks and whites and other races/ethnic groups inclusive.

Obama has benefitted from his race. I don't fault him for it...it just is what it is.


Posted by Huh?, a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 25, 2008 at 3:28 pm

How do know what I would get upset about? Seems like you are painting with a broad brush.

As you suggest, it is a little odd when groups who are in the majority and hold most of the resources and power form self-promotion groups. They can in fact be self-protection group, keeping others out. Tammany Hall started as aid for Irish (minority) immigrants, and ended up a squalid machine for keeping control of politics and patronage. It makes a difference where you stand on the ladder.

I think you are just off on your own in terms of the definition of "racist," Gary. Here's Dictionary.com Web Link which has the definition from Random House and American Heritage - the definitions all involve either belief in innate superiority of or prejudice or hatred toward a race. If someone believed that all blacks were innately superior and should rule whites, I agree that's racist; if many blacks believe Obama is best and represents their interests in part because he is black, that's just affinity.

Does race play a factor in the election - of course it does. Race, ethnicity, class - they are the mother's milk of American politics. But you seem to imply there is something unfair or untoward about Obama's being black - I just don't get that part. On the whole, it was an obstacle for him to overcome, not some kind of undeserved advantage.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 25, 2008 at 3:41 pm

Huh?,

Would you get upset if a "White Students' Union" attemped to open a chapter at Fresno State...or Stanford? If so, why?


Posted by Huh?, a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 25, 2008 at 4:11 pm

Dunno. I don't know much about either of those schools. But if you told me there was a white student group at a historically and majority black school, that would make sense to me. So would a men's group at a historically and majority women's school. What would you think of it?


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 25, 2008 at 4:20 pm

"What would you think of it?"

Huh?,

I wouldn't care about the history, either way. A racial affinity group is about exclusion, and is racist on its face. However, I do support peoples' right to be racist, should they choose. This is one of the reasons that I am not offended that Obama is advantaged by his racist (black/white guilt) base. I simply point out the fact of the matter.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 25, 2008 at 10:08 pm

Gary,

Huh's definition of racism is correct. And you ought to care about history--it has a huge affect on how we view race.

Don't pretend that this has all been some massively even playing field. It hasn't been and it isn't now. McCain is losing not because Obama has a racist base, but because George W. Bush and the Republicans blew it very badly and McCain has blown his campaign. Obama's winning because historical trends favor the Democrats at this time and because Barack Obama is a shrewd politician who outmaneuvered the better-known and more monied Hillary Clinton.

The race card is being played over and over and over by a desperate McCain campaign--not by Barack Obama. Exploiting the little nutjob's weird fantasy is just one of the latest. There's been a determined attempt to conflate Barack Obama with Muslim/Arab terrorists--the use of his middle name, the use of Ayers as an excuse to put the word "terrorist" and "Obama" in the same sentence. The Pennsylvania GOP sending out an e-mail to Jewish voters warning them that voting for Obama will bring on another Holacaust.

You're playing a game of projection here, Gary. There are many other reasons to vote for Barack Obama than white guilt. McCain turning into a complete whack job is one of them.


Posted by oj, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 25, 2008 at 10:16 pm



Obama is the new Jim Jones Web Link


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 25, 2008 at 10:28 pm

No, Obama is about to be our next president-elect. And if you can't deal with it I recommend therapy to help you with your paranoid delusions.


Posted by but seriously, a resident of College Terrace
on Oct 26, 2008 at 7:53 am

Gary, I how dare you pompously ascribe "white guilt" as THE reason whites are voting for Barack. I am voting because I believe he's the best person for the job. Unlike you, I am voting for him regardless of his race. I am, however, voting for him in part because he is so classy and even-keeled as opposed to the continual insanity issued from the Republican side.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 26, 2008 at 8:46 am

"Unlike you, I am voting for him regardless of his race"

but seriously,

I am not voting for Barack. I don't like his redistributionist economic policies, and his promise to cut and run from Iraq, among other things. I am free of white guilt, thus I am not susceptible to its clutches and demands.

If Obama was exactly the same guy, but with white skin, he would not be the current presidental candidate. Hillary would have beat him, becasue she would have attracted more black votes, and there would not have been the "it's time" (for a black president) among white guilt voters; in fact those same white guilt voters would have gone to Hillary, becasue whe would be the first woman.

Race (and racism) has much to do with the election, it is overwhelmingly in play by the Obamites, much less so with the McCain side, and it clearly helps Obama. You can try to put lipstick on that pig, but it is still a pig.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 26, 2008 at 12:28 pm

Gary,

You're being pretty damned presumptuous here. You're not a Democrat, you didn't vote in the primaries--you weren't part of the discussions among people.

Lots of people voted for Obama over Hillary Clinton because he is a much more charismatic figure than Hillary Clinton--much, much better speaker. Lots voted for Obama because he didn't seem politics-as-usual--or as a reluctant HRC voter said to me (he didn't vote for Obama in the primaries because of the experience issue) Clinton struck him as the soul of corporate compromise. Lots of people voted for Obama because they didn't want another round of the Clintons.

I voted for HRC in the primaries, but not enthusiastically, because I felt the next president was going to have to hit the ground running. That said, HRC had a lot of serious drawbacks--she was a polarizing figure--someone who would rouse the GOP base. She isn't a good speaker--monotone phrasing and I'm still tired of the Clinton melodrama.

I did know Obama voters and they were genuinely enthusiastic--he has that ability to connect to an audience. No, not cultists--just that genuine leadership thing you see every now and then. The most compelling reason one presented to me was Obama's background in constitutional law--he'd be more likely than HRC to not further push the limits of executive power.

For another friend of mine, there was no way he was voting for Clinton because of her vote on Iraq. That was a huge part of Obama's appeal in the primary season--he was the anti-war candidate. No, please don't defend the war to me, Gary--a large number of people HATE the war in Iraq and that affects their vote--a lot more than amounts of melanin.

Real cult-like eh? And *all* about white guilt. Sure.

I'll tell you how the race issue came up--concern that it would be a hindrance in making Obama a viable candidate in the general election. And from my Dem friends who live or lived in the South the possibility that Obama would get shot by some loon. The willingness to demonize him in this forum in a liberal town does *not* reassure me on this point.

So give it a rest, Gary--you're not a Democrat, you don't think like one, don't pretend that you can speak for us as a group. Particularly since you *do* have a very set view on the war in Iraq. I think you just don't get what it would be like to think the war in Iraq was a mistake in the first place and one that has gone on far too long.

Frankly, claiming that people are voting for Obama out of white guilt is a way of not looking at the very, very big differences between the candidates.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 26, 2008 at 2:36 pm

OhlonePar,

I didn't say that Obama was part of a cult. However, since you seem to accuse me of doing do, I will take the bait.

Obama is part of the cult that worshiped, for example, Gorbachev. Anthony Lewis, Strobe Talbott, fawning intellectuals, peace-at-any-price ("better red than dead") and other such sycophants. This cult hated Reagan, who WON the cold war...it is NOT true, as Gorby has said, "We both lost the cold war". The left has had a very hard time trying to revise the history of the cold war, becasue Reagan did, indeed, win it.

I never said that melanin is the ONLY reason that Obama is doing well, just that it is an important, and essential, part of it.

Obama is articulate, rarely commits to anything, then 'adjusts', according to circumstances. In other words, he is an old fashioned, finger-in-the-air politician. He is no Ronald Reagan, not even close. Neither is he a Jim Jones. He reminds me more of Kennedy, than anybody else I remember. Kennedy almost got us blown to nuclear bits.

OP, I will say, with conviction, that if Obama is elected, you will become very disappointed with the results. You won't have Bush or McCain to kick around any more, but that is a minor issue. Your issue will be with Barack, when he reinsitutes the military draft; when he REDUCES taxes against the rich/corporations; when he stiffens the borders of this country against illegal immigration; when he suddenly decides that nuclear energy is safe enough, and pushes to approve licenses, etc. I should not forget to mention that Obama lied to you about pulling out of Iraq...he will fight to stay there, until the job is finished.


Posted by Huh?, a resident of Barron Park
on Oct 26, 2008 at 6:52 pm

Gary, I agree that Obama is not much like Reagan. More like Lincoln actually.

You seem to have a dim view of Obama supporters, even more than of Obama himself. I guess they might have a dim view of you, so that's all right. But not sure why you think people who vote for Obama are looking for such a predictable formula. Personally, I hope and expect that Obama will work things through and do what's right, not just what's expected or what might be popular. Sounds that's what you want and expect too, so we agree there.


Posted by Ashley, a resident of another community
on Oct 26, 2008 at 6:53 pm

Ashley Todd is still in jail. Why can't the RNC cough up the measly $50,000 to bail her out? That's one-third of what Palin spent on new clothes!

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Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Oct 26, 2008 at 7:04 pm

"Sounds that's what you want and expect too, so we agree there."

Huh?,

I can agree with you on that point.


Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Oct 27, 2008 at 2:08 am

Gary,

Obama-as-Jim-Jones is the latest trope being thrown around the Forum, so I know you didn't say it, but I was addressing the point since it's being tossed around.

You have no idea what my expectations are for Obama. That's your own blind spot at work again. And, no, he's not Ronald Reagan--and if you'd remember the deficit created by Reagan you'd know that Reagan's the last thing we need. (I won't even get into Reagan's role in creating the current problems in the Middle East and Afghanistan.)

I think Obama's inexperienced, but he does have brains. Our biggest issue right now is the credit crisis--and Obama has access to the better set of financial whizzes. I suspect that's part of the reason he's getting some GOP pundit support--they want Rubin and Volcker back.

Is he cautious? Yes, thank God. It's about damn time.

That said, I think Bush is leaving behind an incredible mess. It's daunting.

What I also think, at this point, is that McCain has disqualified himself as a presidential prospect. Too many reckless decisions--Palin was one, but I think his behavior around the financial crisis may have been the real death knell.

I don't know if Obama can solve our problems, but I know McCain can't. It's really that simple.


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