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Two men attacked in Midtown Palo Alto

Original post made on Aug 19, 2008

Two Palo Alto men were walking on Colorado Avenue Monday night when they were attacked by four large men who demanded money, according to Palo Alto police.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 10:35 AM

Comments (60)

Posted by neighborhood watch, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 11:33 am

There have a been a series of recent attacks/robberies and the police and citizens need to make changes:

1) Citizens need to call in reports of strangers in the neighborhood. Don't hesitate. Don't worry about over reacting.

2) Police need to give these calls high priority

3) Patrols need to be centered around Downtown, Midtown, Charleston shopping center. As much as possible have a cruiser within two minutes of those areas.

4) These criminals fleeing the scene of a crime will most likely head for the freeway, so having a cruiser near Oregon/Embarcadero & 101, and another around San Antonio/Charleston, and another around University/101 would be helpful.


Posted by Citizen, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 11:52 am

Question for the long time Palo Altans here - back in the 90s when EPA was known as the murder capital of the US, was there a lot of criminal activity from EPA that leaked into PA? Just wondering.


Posted by citizen 2, a resident of Green Acres
on Aug 19, 2008 at 12:02 pm

neighborhood watch is correct. we also need surveillance cameras placed at strategic spots around the city.


Posted by Peter s, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 19, 2008 at 12:05 pm

It is unfair to presume that the criminals are from EPA.

We have plenty of criminals living in Palo Alto.

Just look at the statistics here Web Link


Posted by Not A Lawyer, a resident of South of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Citizen says it is possible that "city counsel" (sic) will do something. "City counsel" means the city's official lawyer, who should not get involved in this. "City council" is the set of elected officials who meet on Mondays. It would be more approriate for them to "do something", if they could figure out something effective, legal and that we can afford.


Posted by Ada, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 12:22 pm

Peter S,
If you read your own link carefully you would not conclude that "we have plenty of criminals living in Palo Alto". We have crimes committed in Palo Alto, but the report does not specify by residents of which town.
Unfortunately, poverty triggers crime and having EPA as our neighbour certainly causes a spillover effect. Be watchful, if you see suspicious men in hoods approaching you - dial 911.
I am surprised, however, how easy it seems to flee the crime scene.


Posted by Senor Blogger, a resident of Palo Verde
on Aug 19, 2008 at 1:06 pm

Why not dispurse the Police to the Fire Stations, with their vehicles

The Fire Stations are supposed to be located so they are within 3 minutes of any residential address. This is per fire insurance guidelines.

This would serve to maximize the use of Public Safety Faclities.

This might even improve the cooking at the Fire Stations:)

If the Police don't do something things will get worse.






Posted by Resident, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 1:06 pm

Neighborhood Watch says: " Patrols need to be centered around Downtown, Midtown, Charleston shopping center. As much as possible have a cruiser within two minutes of those areas.

How many Police Officers do you think Palo Alto has to patrol all these locations? You are obviously not aware that we are short staffed due to retirements, resignations, and light duty. It is getting harder and harder to recruit Officers because we are competing with all the other Cities around us for suitable applicants.

Just don't go out walking after dark.


Posted by Look to the East, a resident of Menlo Park
on Aug 19, 2008 at 1:07 pm

Ada,

Thanks for commenting back to Peter S. Some people purposely put blinders on.....or can't interpret data...


Posted by Look to the East, a resident of Menlo Park
on Aug 19, 2008 at 1:10 pm

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Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 19, 2008 at 1:15 pm

I lived near the EPA border during the 90s during the EPA crime wave. There was some property crime--I had a car stereo stolen, but not this random street crime--robberies and such. EPA was actually poorer back then, so I don't think it's simply proximity to EPA at work here. I've been told by people who grew up here that the midtown/Colorado/7-11 area actually had a low-rent unsafe reputation years and years ago.

Neighborhood Watch,

I suspect part of the problem is that I don't even know who's a stranger in the neighborhood. Does anyone?


Posted by Walker, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 19, 2008 at 1:26 pm

It is wrong to say do not go out walking after dark. That is sending a message to the criminal element that they have won. At present, after dark is around 8.30 pm. In a few months after dark will mean after 7.00 pm and even earlier. It is wrong to say that we should not take an evening walk or walk home after an evening activity.

Instead, we need more deterrants. CCTV, patrolling cop cars (or on bikes) and better reporting of crimes and punishment would help.


Posted by 90's Memory, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 19, 2008 at 1:34 pm

Just a reminder - the overwhelming amount of "buyers" in EPA during the 90's were from the neighboring communities of PA, MP, and Atherton. But it's really not relevant to mention that when bringing up the level of criminal activity back then.


Posted by neighborhood watch, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 1:36 pm

Resident,

On the City of Palo Alto Website, there are 84 officers, agents, sergeants, lieutents & captains. 78 are offices, agents & sergeants. There are another 24 dispatchers.

Assuming 4 shifts a week, that's 19 - 20 officers/agents/sergeants per shift. Having an officer cruise around each of those retail centers within a 3-4 block radius, and having another officer cruise around the highway ramps would be 6 officers.

OhlonePar - I agree, that it can be difficult to know who is part of the neighborhood; it's a judgement call, but having residents being vigilant and not hesitating to call the police is key.


Posted by ToThe Hague, a resident of Stanford
on Aug 19, 2008 at 1:56 pm

As long as we are willing to tolerate an administration inundated with murderous war criminals in Washington, it's hard to feel that angry at common lowlife criminals like the ones who attacked the two victims in Midtown.


Posted by Enough already, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 3:01 pm

1. I don't care what town these thugs call home, be it E.P.A., P.A., L.A. or Lincoln Nebraska.
2. We have to stand up to these dirtbags. The actions of the witnesses in the Stanford Mall lots is a great step - be vigilant! Fight back, get plate numbers. It sounds like these guys did a great job under bad circumstances.
3. We must not have a victim mentality here - DO go out at night. DO live your life. Just be watchful and carry yourself like you are not to be messed with.


Posted by peter s, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 19, 2008 at 3:09 pm



The Messiah obama (Peace be upon his name) will solve all these problems and turn EPA into a shinning city upon a hill, he will move mountains.

Dare to hope, do not be bitter about being robbed and raped, do not cling to your guns and churches.

Zerobama is amongst us (Peace be upon his name)

Is there still no supermarket in EPA? Not long ago there was an armed robbery at the family ice cream shop in midtown did they ever catch the guy?


Posted by Resident, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 3:16 pm

Neighborhood Watch: "On the City of Palo Alto Website, there are 84 officers, agents, sergeants, lieutents & captains. 78 are offices, agents & sergeants."

Officers do other things than just patrol. There are 10 Command Staff, 11 detectives, 5 traffic officers, 3K9 officers, 2 school officers and usually around 4 or 5 on medical leave and that doesn't account for vacations.


Posted by wow, a resident of Barron Park
on Aug 19, 2008 at 3:31 pm

It's really despicable to read posts such as the one by "Look to the East":

"Wow...another attack from East Palo Altans....."

Nowhere does it say where the attackers are from. The comment just goes to show how shallow some folks are and how snap-judgmental they've become before the facts are known. For all we know know, these attackers may be from Woodside.


Posted by Be careful out there, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 19, 2008 at 3:38 pm

Hague: "As long as we are willing to tolerate an administration inundated with murderous war criminals in Washington, it's hard to feel that angry at common lowlife criminals like the ones who attacked the two victims in Midtown."

Panty-waist! Let me hear you say that after you've been mugged. Please, god, save us from people like Hague!

About these street thugs. We have an entirely new generation of challenged thugs who are not supervised, and who are reinforced in their behaviors factors too numerous to list.

Every time one of these thugs takes a PA wallet in a mugging, and gets away, word gets out. Palo Alto is easy pickings. There are very few poor people here. If you're a thug, where better to go for a sure thing than Palo Alto. We're like a loaded slot machine to these jerks.

A few ideas:
Surveillance cameras: as many as possible.

Brighter street lighting.

Residents leaving at least one light on in the evening. Yes, I know that uses electricity. I'd rather pay the extra $2.00 per month for peace of mind. Imagine our streets lit up this way. Most homes in Palo Alto are dark as a tunnel in the evening - easy pickins'

Keep a "fast dial" number to "911" on your cell phone.

Learn a little self defense; enough to protect yourself if giving out your wallet isn't enough to deter a beating, or at least know how to respond if you're physically assailed.

Carry mace, a stun gun, or a taser (there are ways to get them) and LEARN HOW TO USE THEM. If you don't do the latter, don't bother, because they will be used against you.

Let people know where you're going.

Carry a whistle, and know how to use it.

Try to be familiar with where you walk.

Don't take familiar surroundings for granted. Be aware!

Go through theft scenarios in your head; imagine responding in different ways.

Don't take chances. Always give a thief what he wants; no amount of money is worth a life.





Posted by neighborhood watch, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 3:44 pm

Resident,

In June there were 6 agents & officers who were out for training or disability, leaving 72 officers, agents & sergeants.

Some may be currently assigned to specific tasks, but what we are discussing here is prioritization of resources so that this violent criminal activity can be addressed. E.g. - can some (not all) traffic officers patrol areas more frequently? respond to reports of strangers? would the residents appreciate this focus for the next 4 months versus traffic control?


Posted by Peter, a resident of another community
on Aug 19, 2008 at 5:31 pm

peter s.:

Obama has nothing to do with this. Lay off!


Posted by Profiling works, a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on Aug 19, 2008 at 5:32 pm

"Nowhere does it say where the attackers are from."
"For all we know know, these attackers may be from Woodside."

No, but you can take an educated guess… ("The suspects — all black males,")

Palo Alto- The racial makeup of the city was 75.76% white, 2.02% African American, 0.21% Native American, 17.22% Asian, 0.14% Pacific Islander, 1.41% from other races, and 3.24% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 4.65% of the population.

East Palo Alto- The racial makeup of the city was 6.98% White, 26.03% African American, 0.93% Native American, 2.03% Asian, 9.63% Pacific Islander (mainly Tongan and Samoan immigrants)[citation needed], 36.73% from other races, and 5.56% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 62.79% of the population.

Menlo Park- The racial makeup of the city was 68.35% White, 9.03% African American, 0.54% Native American, 6.15% Asian, 1.46% Pacific Islander, 9.56% from other races, and 4.21% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 19.60% of the population.

And best of all, Woodside- The racial makeup of the town was 90.21% White, 0.37% African American, 0.15% Native American, 4.99% Asian, 0.11% Pacific Islander, 1.31% from other races, and 2.86% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 4.33% of the population.

I'm betting they don't live in Woodside.

(Demographics taken from Wikipedia.)


Posted by Mo, a resident of College Terrace
on Aug 19, 2008 at 5:46 pm

> The suspects — all black males, over 6 feet tall, heavyset, wearing
> hooded sweatshirts and dark pants — fled in a white Buick-like sedan
> with "55" as the last two numbers of the license plate, police said.

> The police have no suspects.

What about a partial plate match from the DMV? There are only so many cars that fit that description. Start with a 20-mile radius, and work out if you have to.

What's up with the PAPD, anyway? Every Cop show on TV uses this procedure several times a night!


Posted by peter s, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 19, 2008 at 6:25 pm


Zerobama (Peace be upon his name) is linked to this topic because his leader, rev wright has talked at length about the issue of how white guilt is justified.

The issue is security, terrorism and violent crime which are becoming linked. Drugs and gangs are common denominators.

The easiest solution to this violent crime wave is to monitor the roads that lead into Palo Alto with cameras and / or police combined with community alertness.

In LA people choose gated communities, when the violence goes on Stanford will choose that option. We can put a stop to this violence if we deal with reality and do not make excuses.

We have had a murder in downtown,next to the police station, armed robberies of ice cream stores etc etc.

With our wealth, Palo Altoans are now an attractive and easy target.

Being victims is our choice.


Posted by Kim, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 6:46 pm

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Posted by Peter, a resident of another community
on Aug 19, 2008 at 7:09 pm

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Posted by Resident, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 8:13 pm

Neighborhood Watch says: "Can some (not all) traffic officers patrol areas more frequently? respond to reports of strangers? would the residents appreciate this focus for the next 4 months versus traffic control?"

Probably not, there are far too many residents of PA who want traffic officers to catch speeders; that is the most important work of Police Officers to them. Meanwhile, we have a Community Service officer who spends his whole time ticketing gardeners who use leaf blowers because they violate the City's noise ordinance. Any attempt to change his job description is met with huge protests from a small group of N.PA residents.




Posted by KT, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 9:22 pm

[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff]. Let's remember the words of a very courageous black man [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff]. "I have a dream that one day....children will live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." The day that you can understand that it isn't the color of a persons skin is the day that you may become part of this community.


Posted by Kim, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 9:30 pm

[Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff]. I agree with "Resident" above. Enough with the parking enforcement and moving traffic violations. [Portion removed by Palo Alto Online staff].

I have to say though, I have seen signs lately that the PAPD is finally getting fed up.

Moving on.....



Posted by peter s, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 19, 2008 at 9:53 pm

the racist in this case is rev wright, read and see the u tube.


If you inflame this sort of stuff then like the anti Jewish rant that re v wright, obamas leader for 20yrs, promotes then you reap what they sow.

It is ugly but it is what it is.


Posted by KT, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 10:17 pm

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Posted by bill, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 10:48 pm

Regarding police patrolling. There are 18 or 19 officers assigned to a patrol shift each 24 hour period. They are on 4 days (11 hours on duty, 13 hours off) and off 4 days. There are 5 shifts each 24 hour period; so at any given time there are about 13 to 15 officers for 17 of those hours on duty. The other 7 hours have about 9 or 10 on duty.

The officers have over 200 miles of road to patrol in Palo Alto and more than 400 intersections. It is imperative that citizens call 911 as soon as they see something suspicious. Get the license number of a car and the car's description. That's the only way a limited number of officers can be effective.

Surveillance cameras require either continuous monitoring (read costly labor) or reviewing of tape. The latter also needs people to do that job. Each one hour tape would take at least 10 to 15 minutes to review. The labor cost would be staggering let alone the cost of the equipment to run the tapes and room to store them.

To learn how the police function, attend the Citizen's Police Academy. It's three hours on Wednesday nights for 6 nights. I don't know when the next class is scheduled, but you can call and find out. 329-2413.


Posted by Be careful out there, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 19, 2008 at 10:55 pm

Wow! The racist diatribes here are pretty disturbing. What about the white people who commit crime here? What about the mostly white people who caused the subprime mess, and who have stolen billions from all of us? They make petty street criminals look like saints. It's OK to be hopping mad about people who case neighborhoods. People should notify the police if they see strangers lurking about who appear to up to no good. Make the call! That's what your public safety dollars are for. Use them!

Start a neighborhood watch program with your neighbors, and demand that surveillance cameras be placed throughout our city. If criminals know that they are being watched and recorded, they are less likely to act.






Posted by new yankee, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 11:37 pm

I almost would like to join the rant fest, but that is not my style. How about just some facts. A few years ago, I had a meeting with the PAPD chief about my idea of Palo Alto supporting private surveillance cameras much like they support solar or environmental issues. Instead of the city spending money on their own cameras (high cost/ low return), I suggested that the city could provide technical information for interested private installations, and to publicize the program. I wonder if the current criminals would really like to target Palo Alto if they thought that at least some residents had cameras monitoring the streets and private homes. The Chief was polite, ill informed, and promised a follow up contact from her IT staff… which never happened. I've been in Palo Alto for 39 years and remember a first class police force and city staff…decades ago. Now, I'm afraid we are on our own.


Posted by Kim, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 19, 2008 at 11:42 pm

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Posted by arrayforpresident, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Aug 20, 2008 at 1:45 am

i second that. i think a random car with legs (alma st) might be a liiiiittle less helpful than cameras around town. dont you think? yay for cameras!


Posted by JT, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 20, 2008 at 8:54 am

OK, now you've got cameras and the bad guys are caught. What then? The jails are full and Judges are letting the bad guys go, or putting them on probation. They are back on the streets again.

Be smart, don't be a victim, keep your eyes and ears open, and don't walk alone after dark, because the bad guys aren't going away.


Posted by pat, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 20, 2008 at 9:55 am

"…. don't walk alone after dark."

There were TWO grown men walking on Colorado in this incident.

The woman attacked at Stanford was walking to her car in broad daylight.

The bottom line is, there's no guarantee of safety anywhere, anytime. There are a lot of desperate people out there. Some are poor, some are druggies, some are gang-bangers who have to prove themselves by violence. There's no logic to it, at least as far as our logic would explain.


Posted by Look to the East, a resident of Menlo Park
on Aug 20, 2008 at 10:22 am

Wow,

I will buy you a car if the perps from this attack are from Woodside like you suggest they are...


Posted by anonymous, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 20, 2008 at 11:04 am

I think those who are trying to make light of this story are wrong. I think it is really serious. If you think about it for a bit you may realize criminals appear to be at their ease in Palo Alto. I seriously doubt these are Palo Altans, by the way.
I have been away from the local news for awhile, but I gather the suspect in the downtown shooting by City Hall (Phil Lacy death) is still on the loose? Someone mentioned the old Baskin Robbins robbery - no results on catching suspects?? Possibly criminals are finding easy pickings here and think they have an easy getaway on the freeways. I recommend more vigilance, lighting on homes at night, locking doors and information sharing like this.


Posted by huh, a resident of College Terrace
on Aug 20, 2008 at 12:22 pm

what if youre black and jewish .then theres no us and them syndrome that america is drunk on.and yes, why not do something about criminal liars and killers of many iraqi and others.people being killed with your money! yeah,street crimes are a drag,its happened to me,but lets adress ALL criminals,including usa slave denying government.i have never hit anyone ,but ive been hit by racists and even people of all bakgrounds,so lets be fair and corral the government criminals too!


Posted by Reply to huh, a resident of Menlo Park
on Aug 20, 2008 at 2:35 pm

Mr. huh,

Please stay in school...and don't use commas too much.


Posted by BeSafe, a resident of Menlo Park
on Aug 20, 2008 at 2:37 pm

Just use common sense. Racist remarks do not help, it can very well work against you. Like the old saying goes - If you accurse someone of something often enough they will become just that. (quote-unquote) Althought some of these creminals may be from EPA don't lump all the residents in the same boat.

Be Safe Out There! Use Common Sense!


Posted by gallileo, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 20, 2008 at 2:45 pm

Surveillance cameras are both expensive and largely ineffective. Palo Alto certainly could spend its security resources on projects which are much better than cameras. Nowhere that has tried them has found anything other than mixed results.

London has spent nearly $200,000,000 on cameras, and hasn't noticed any difference whatsoever:

Web Link

"The report - which looked at evaluations of 22 CCTV schemes in Britain and the US - found that while cameras could have a marked effect on reducing vehicle crime, there was little evidence they prevented violent crime."

Charlotte, NC tried it with portable cameras, and was unhappy with the results because of their unreliability:

Web Link

"It's been virtually useless to us at this point," said Sgt. Bud Cesena.


Melbourne tried it, and deemed that they did nothing:

Web Link

Cr Kevin Chamberlain backed the suspension. "The fundamental problem is that the research shows the cameras don't work, yet we're spending more than half a million dollars a year just to run them." He said he recently saw two drug deals in one of the most heavily monitored locations in the city. He said drug dealers simply ignored the cameras.

Criminoligists from Leicestshire, England also determined that they didn't work in most areas, including residential and business ones:

Web Link

"The study showed the only crime decrease attributable to CCTV focussed on reducing vehicle crime in car parks."


Posted by peter s, a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 20, 2008 at 2:58 pm



I agree, cameras do not DETER crime, they can help solve it after the fact like the London bombers, but that was too late for the 50+ killed and the terrorists were also dead of course.

The best solution for Palo Alto is to have armed police decoys, in plain clothing, looking like old ladies or other victims.

If the criminals are violent then the police must be prepared to use lethal force.

With a few dead and crippled violent criminals in Palo Alto and they will no longer come here.

Unlike terrorist, these thugs do not want to die so they move to lower risk communities.


Posted by fireman, a resident of another community
on Aug 20, 2008 at 3:41 pm

Face it your City Leaders and the Citizens who do nothing but talk. Have become a target, Walk around the Bay Area. Many,Many people know how sick and cruel Palo Alto is. How many people this City hurts and shows no reguard for.
So you are hated. So when you feel like it is time to hurt someone, go to Palo Alto. It is full of people who could not care less about anyone else. People who are so in LOVE with themselves that no one else matters. And they have money,rolexes,5c Diamond rings.You can not hide anymore. Your Millions and profileing cops can't keep you safe.
You all should take 10 minutes in reality and find out how the bay area thinks of you. It is not a matter of pride.
Palo Alto the most crooked city in the Bay area. In the USA?

Its the goes around part of, What goes around comes around.


Posted by Mike, a resident of College Terrace
on Aug 20, 2008 at 3:41 pm

To show that cameras do not help, you need to compare statistics for the same place before and after cameras were introduced. These article compare the resolution of crimes in areas of differing concentrations of cameras to a mythical "average crime solving rate". Since crime is known to vary strongly by area anyway, the conclusions are void.

Better police work, more cameras, better street lighting, citizen awareness and involvement.
That's what we need.

Add to that the eradication of poverty, to stop crime at its source.


Posted by fireman, a resident of another community
on Aug 20, 2008 at 3:59 pm

Lets see, Someone was kill in Palo Alto. The Camera caught his face. It took the police how long to find this footage. The suspected killer had how much time to get away. days.

Now it sure seems that the CAMERA is the only one catching anything in Palo Alto.
Well they caught Ms Briggs.... Sleep better at night now with Pat off the streets.

Well put the cameras in, have a weekly show. All the pictures of crime and criminals that the City is spending millions on stopping running lose ,while the crooks in the City run lose also.

If you wantto catch crime. Put a camera in th City Managers office,Fire Chiefs.Inhuman resources,CITY ATTOURNEYS OFFICE. For that one you will need several cameras and a very long tape. And since he does not like to write things down. Get Audio and back up aduio.


Posted by bike, a resident of College Terrace
on Aug 20, 2008 at 4:00 pm



SF tried cameras in the Bay view Hunters point area, they had zero affect on crime.

Cameras a feel good social work approach to violent crime.

I like the idea of armed police decoys taking out some of these bad guys.

The publicity will put terror into the heats of perps.

In NYC they scan the license plates of cars entering the city so they know who is there and where they are from.

We should scan plates in Palo Alto their are not many points of access. Start with monitoring access from EPA and see how it works.


Posted by Ralph, a resident of Barron Park
on Aug 20, 2008 at 4:18 pm

Obviously, more police patrols, plain cloths cops walking neighborhoods, cameras in certain circumstances, citizen patrols, etc, have a chance of somewhat reducing crime and increasing the odds of finding the criminals. However, if we examine every country in the world, we'll find one factor that is common world-wide without exceptions:the wider the income gap between the have and have nots, the larger the crime rate. Look at countries like Brazil, Colombia, South Africa, Mexico, and yes, the USA as well, where the gap between the rich and poor keeps widening, and you'll see that all those countries, and many others like them have a very serious violent crime problem. Only police states with vast income inequalities have managed to suppress crime, for a while, through atrocious violations of human rights, against their own citizens, but even in those cases, the "success" has been short lived and acted more as a band-aid. Crime exists everywhere, but countries like Denmark, Sweden or Belgium, where the wealth isn't concentrated in a tiny percentage of the population have a much smaller crime rate and very little violent crime. Unfortunately, the US has become a 3rd world country in that sense, a very small percentage of the population controls most of the wealth.


Posted by E pluribus unum, a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on Aug 21, 2008 at 3:55 am



Ralph

Communism is not the solution, it failed with the murder of millions.

Move to North Korea if you want a taste, Europe is doomed demographically, welcome to Eurabia.

Superior fire power will work.

We need to send the National Guard armed with automatic weapons and fresh from combat into the drug thug havens and deal with them with.

Singapore has little violent crime and a death penalty for drug dealing, we can learn from their success.


Posted by Resident, a resident of Midtown
on Aug 21, 2008 at 9:47 pm

Walker says: "It is wrong to say do not go out walking after dark. That is sending a message to the criminal element that they have won. At present, after dark is around 8.30 pm. In a few months after dark will mean after 7.00 pm and even earlier. It is wrong to say that we should not take an evening walk or walk home after an evening activity."

PA Police Officer Dan Ryan said: "Robbery-motivated attacks on pedestrians are growing increasingly common in the Bay Area, He cautioned everyone not to walk alone, particularly after dark."




Posted by BeSafe, a resident of Menlo Park
on Aug 21, 2008 at 10:36 pm

bike wrote:

"We should scan plates in Palo Alto their are not many points of access. Start with monitoring access from EPA and see how it works." Posted by bike, a resident of the College Terrace neighborhood, on Aug 20, 2008 at 4:00 pm

bike, there are some DUMB criminals, but there are some smart ones too, that is until they are caught. Do you really believe scanning plates will help or will we just see an increase in stolen plates????

Two arrested for robbing man at McDonald's --
this was in EPA! No one and No place is immune.



Posted by Mayfield Child, a resident of Green Acres
on Aug 22, 2008 at 12:57 am

"Two arrested for robbing man at McDonald's~ "

I wonder if they got fries with that..................

Palo Alto could build a walled entry around a few different parts of the city with a guard acting as your hospitable guide to THE CITY...something like the Seventeen Mile Drive area in Pebble Beach..........................cheaper than cameras and more "people friendly". Not to mention the long list of licence plates that one would generate.

"Question for the long time Palo Altans here - back in the 90s when EPA was known as the murder capital of the US, was there a lot of criminal activity from EPA that leaked into PA? Just wondering."

WOW, Why are you wanting to open up that can of worms???


Posted by Nora Charles, a resident of Stanford
on Aug 22, 2008 at 3:04 am

Nora Charles is a registered user.

As to one of Ralph's comments, there is a reason Denmark and Sweden have a lower crime rate, and it has nothing to do with the distribution of wealth. Of course, I daren't mention it, for the fear of the p.c. police.

As the Palo Alto police can't be everywhere, what about a group like the Guardian Angels? They could patrol the steets on foot. Also, cameras, profiling, and citizens carrying tasers and pepper spray. We have to let the bastards know we are not sitting ducks.


Posted by fireman, a resident of another community
on Aug 22, 2008 at 6:09 am

As for your officers in the streets. As it goes in PAFD. We had so many people on disability for YEARS, People on special assinment for months{Union President wore a suit more than a uniform.
Now this adds up to two things
1. Way to much overtime... Gee We hear about that.
2.People who are working so much overtime. That the QUALITY of ther work suffers. Work they should be doing is not getting done. Burned out
3.When a systems is so screwed up, but your City Manager and attourney and council do not know anything but screwed up. This City functions on screwed up. You think it will get any better.

This is what you people get.
Members of the Fire department have been telling you for years how screwed up the City is. How unsafe for all.

Report after report scandel after scandel. You keep you head in make believe land.
Then when they put out a DRYER FIRE. That is the most simple basic thing a fire department can do. A DRYER FIRE. You are so happy that the FIre Department leaders did not screw that up. YOU Jump up and down. How great are firefighters are. While they are getting screwed over, watching the citizens get screwed over but, they know nothing will change and just collect the overtime and do not care about the fire service or the truth. As one Palo Alto Firefighter put it. THE SYSTEM. works for him? Not you.
When you are so blind to what is and has been going on for far too many years. You pay the price. Get ready to start paying!

What is correct. SUCKERS or FOOLS. I can tell you one thing. These criminals treat people better than the City treated Pat or myself.

How do you like it???




Posted by fireman, a resident of another community
on Aug 22, 2008 at 2:50 pm

New Yankee. The fall of the services. Police/fire and all services in the City.

Have vanished because. The NEW BREED of City leaders. City Managers,City Attourney and the rest are being filled by second rate at best. Incompotent, inept leaders who think they can or could work in the private setor.
They think with there EGOS and feel they should be paid like he real leaders of Private sector.
Even with no skills and years of a losing record they want top shelf dollars for bottum shelf work.

Look at Frank B. 200+K a year, 500,000.00 loan. House for how many years. and who knows what else.
For what? Then have a party telling him how great he was. Sick,sick People you are.

Hey maybe the City could have a party for the man who raped the 95 year old women. Frank raped the City,City employees and the citizens. And you had a party for him?


Posted by George, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 22, 2008 at 3:42 pm

Our city needs to hire more police officers. We have open recs that aren't filled. We need them filled now. Raise the pay for entry officers.

The criminals of Palo Alto are mostly from surrounding cities - ask the police. They book them. They know. It's not racist and it's not class warfare to state the truth.

Let's stop trying to turn Palo Alto into Berkeley.

The Priorities for Palo Alto should be:
1. Public Safety - more police officers, not a new building. Fire Dept.
2. Public Works and Parks - The streets and sidewalks are suffering from deffered maintenance.
3. Encoraging more business to support 1 and 2. A planning dept that is focus on recruiting businesses and allowing them to inhabit an entire building, instead of pushing them out would be nice.

City Council Top 4 2008 Priorities According to the Website
1. Library/Public Safety Building [X - it's got the phrase public safety in there]
2. Environmental Protection [X - This is a JOKE!!! Do you think Palo Alto's changes will impact manmade global warming]
2. Civic Engagement [50% - This means listening to it's citizens]
4. Economic Health [50% - Good lip service but it's not clear how effective council is at improving this considering the vacant retail space in the city]



Posted by fireman, a resident of another community
on Aug 22, 2008 at 3:55 pm

George. The money was there. Most of it.

Fix the problem. The people leading the troops do not know what they are doing. They are wateing millions and leaveing you unprotected.
The only thing they seem to do well is give themselves. Great pay for terrible work. And big retirements for the same poor performance.

The City Attourney recomends not to write anything down, And he still has a job? What type of work do you thin you get from him?

The Willy-Nilly kind?

Get rid of the TREE for the city, Replace it with a WHITE CAINE with a red end. Home of the blind.


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