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on Jul 15, 2008
RIP Philip. I will miss you :(
The solution is to have armed police decoys patrolling the streets of Palo Alto with the order to SHOOT to KILL if they are threatened with a knife or gun.
After a couple of executions we will see the end of this sort of murder.
A CCTV is not going to deter thugs who are willing to shoot someone in cold blood outside a police headquarters, after they have go the money and property
If PA citizens were allowed to express their indiviudal right to to bear arms, by carrying concealed weapons, this tragedy would never have happened. That punk would not have dared to to take a chance.
How long is it going to take? How many more needless, innocent deaths?
Since the victim was not a PA citizen, how would that have made a difference??
I agree with armed police decoys and shoot to kill rules of engagement.
The Pacific Islander gangs are particularly violent and ruthless, remember the NASA scientist they beat to death by the post office in 97
You are right. I should have said "U.S. law-abiding citzens, in Palo Alto".
That punk needs to think that ALL citizens in PA are armed.
Thanks for your clarification.
"That punk needs to think that ALL citizens in PA are armed. "
Just a question. In communities where it's legal for the citizens to carry concealed weapons, what percentage actually do?
Police ordered to shoot to kill? Right, and how long do you think before a tragic accident happens and cop kills someone he thought had a gun and didn't?
You guys are such children sometimes. Yes, we did have another random street homicide in the downtown--10 years ago. And now you guys are acting like we should have armed patrols all over the place.
The guy needs to be caught. I think it also needs to be recognized that late-night Palo Alto is less safe than it was. I no longer go to the ATMs late at night. I think Palo Alto has a reputation for drawing well-off people to its downtown at night and that's made it a target.
"In communities where it's legal for the citizens to carry concealed weapons, what percentage actually do? "
That should be a closely held secret, even if the number is known. The idea is that the perps need to think that they all do. Unfortunately, in Palo Alto, that number is, by law, zero, and is thought to be be zero by the perps.
"Mike of College Terrace" on this post is a fraud, as the real Mike would never have posted something like that. I know, because I'm the real Mike.
Philip Lacy, RIP....
"That should be a closely held secret, even if the number is known."
Fair enough, but it seems to me unreasonable for anyone to ever assume that everyone will be carrying a concealed weapon. That said, the deterrent isn't "that the perps need to think that they all do", but just that any given person MAY be.
This poor man. He did not deserve to die. I hope to God they catch this little bugger and put him away for life and then some! This must have been one hard decision for his parents to make.
This appears to be a gang-related crime where the criminal was trying to earn his stripes by getting proof he did the crime (the necklace) brazenly at the police station and execution style. He will gain great standing within the gang for this act. Not only does this individual need to be found, arrested and prosecuted, the gang needs to be systematically obliterated through legal means. I would like to know what the PA Police are doing to work with other communities to erradicate these gangs. I believe they owe that to the community.
Millbrae....then Belmont...now South San Francisco....is determining a person's home town that difficult?
The Weekly determined Lacy's identity before it was released by the police, and we found two Millbrae addresses, including the one where he grew up. The police now say SSF. Don't know where Belmont came from.
RIP PHIL LACY..I LOVE YOU
I don't doubt for a minute that the cops want to really, really catch this guy.
I wonder why we haven't seen a police sketch of the guy.
Some of you guys are ridiculous and way overreacting. Rich Palo Altan elitists living in a bubble of selfish perfection and isolation. Do you guys have any idea how much crime really happens in the Bay Area? It is so much more than you experience in Palo Alto. And look at Oakland - they have a police patrol on every block, and it's not like their crime rate is down.
You really want to have armed police patrols with orders to SHOOT to KILL? First of all, Palo Alto Police are soft - they spend their time breaking up high school parties, not catching gang members. Not only do we not need armed police patrols, but it would be a ridiculous waste of time and effort that could be so much more effective. Crime happens. This was obviously an insane act by an insane criminal who had no need to shoot anybody. This is a tragedy but you are not going to make Palo Alto that much safer by instituting that sort of policy. Plus there's no way that would even help very much.
And some of you want to make it legal to carry weapons? Christ, CALM DOWN. I thought Palo Alto was anti-Bush, yet this is, in a microcosm, the exact fear the Bush administration spawned throughout America to justify war in the Middle East. That sounds a bit ridiculous but it's what I thought of upon reading this comments board. Instead of bantering about how to protect Palo Alto this comments board should be used to honor the memory of Philip Lacy.
Go watch the Wire or something.
Pacific Islander is the political correct way to say that the police are looking for a Tongan male from either East Palo Alto or San Mateo. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
I think that it is significant that the shooting happened in front of the police station.
It has all the signs of a gang initiation.
I should think that the Blue Chalk Cafe and other bars the victim visited have CCTVS, they should have, and they can track who the victim he interacted with.
Is it not unusual for males to wear prominent gold necklaces in Palo Alto?
Armed decoys are a good idea to put these thugs down and scare off the rest.
In Palo Alto we have become too tolerant and PC, you do not here of these murders in downtown Menlo Park, that is where I am going to dine with my family from now on.
BTW did they ever solve that murder of a young woman at the pool bar on Alma some time back.
The murder that was cited in earlier posts was also committed by Pacific Islanders and was also a block away from the PAPD. No wonder the police have barricaded themselves in their quasi-bomb shelter! They are probably scared to go outside themselves.
I, myself, and family will go to restaurants and bars in Mountain View. At the very least, I won't get accosted or threatened or peed on by a homeless person.
"And some of you want to make it legal to carry weapons?"
Absolutely, Calvin! Who else is going to protect us?
Right to Carry (concelaed weapon(s))laws have been passed in the vast majority of states. California, which is a "may-carry" state, will eventually come around. See the following link:
The perp could be Tongan or Samoan, they both have violent gangs in EPA and Redwood City.
The PAPD dealt very well with those violent anarchists who invaded town a couple of years ago.
Decoys, riot guns, video cameras, mounted patrols sharp shooters etc and the thugs never came back.
Some of the same policies should be applied to gangs who come here, if a few gang members were shot by the police they would prey on another communities.
Even thugs will make rational choices when they are threatened with death or maiming, we need to help their decision processes with a few graphic examples.
Actually RWC does not have a large Tongan or Samoan presence. It's EPA & East Menlo.
The Latino gangs are the problem in RWC. They typically prey on each other.
We are ALL gonna miss you Phil. WE LOVE YOU! See you when I get there bro.
RIP Phil you will be missed and whoever did this will get there day. You will be missed.
We all love you and are going to miss you greatly!!! RIP my dear friend
How come so many Palo Altans seem to know the victim? He didn't even live in Palo Alto from what we are told. I have lived here for 30 years and had never heard of him prior to his random murder(or was it a gang execution?). Did you have to frequent downtown bars way past midnight in order to make Mr. Lacy's acquaintance ?
Also, people who hang out in bars till the wee hours of the morning should be among the last to be allowed to carry concealed weapons, a very bad idea even for people who make much wiser choices about their lifestyle.
I can tell you are a Palo Alto resident of 30 years by your smug, condescending tone. A young man is murdered in your town, and you cast aspersions on his character because he was out late at a bar.
What if someone told you the car he was getting into was a Prius and he had to get up early the next morning to compost? Then would he be worthy of possessing a weapon, in your eyes?
"Palo Alto Resident", what has the fact I'm a longtime resident of PA got to do with anything? I'm genuinely curious as to why so many PA residents seem to have known Mr. Lacy who didn't live here. I don't know anything about the murder victim excluding the fact that he used to hang out in downtown bars in the wee hours of the morning. That didn't mean he was a bad person, but he certainly made very bad lifestyle choices. I don't drive a Prius myself and fail to see the relevance to his tragic murder. I think though that it would be a terrible idea to allow people to carry concealed weapons, whether they drive a Prius, HUMMER or electric car.
People are responding to your lack of sympathy for the recently departed.
If you think the bars in downtown should close before 1.45 am on the weekends then complain to the bar owners, BTW there were firemen at the Old Pro at that time.
No Sally, my "lack of sympathy" for the victim is a figment of your imagination. I feel terrible about the murder, the victim and his family. I'm truly trying to understand why so many Palo Altans knew the victim who wasn't a PA resident for all we know. Did he hang out in downtown bars a lot and had there possibly been some bad blood between him and some Tongan gang members, was it a random gang initiation murder? I'm very curious because I don't want such a tragedy to ever happen again in this town. The fact the victim seemed to to hang out in bars very late didn't make him a bad person, possibly a foolish one, but foolish people deserve to live just like wise people. To reach the conclusion that I don't feel sympathy for him is bizarre.
There are bars in your beloved little Utopia of Palo Alto. Yes, bars. Alcohol is served there, people talk loudly, and various types of modern music are sometimes played. Many people frequent these establishments during their hours of operation. These include hybrid drivers, composters, firemen, and Stanford PhD students. Many of the people in these establishments drive the local "high" "tech" industry that put Palo Alto on the map and made your bungalow worth over a million dollars.
You may object to people enjoying themselves, letting off some steam when they are not driving your home value higher. But they seem to be having a good time.
But for you to question the wisdom of a young man being at a bar with his friends on a Saturday night, and try to insinuate that it somehow had to do with his murder, demonstrates the condescension that you have rightfully earned in your 30 years of being a resident.
1. Based on the comments and the names associated with them, I can ASSURE you most of these people that knew Phil are not in fact from Palo Alto(they didn't select another neighborhood), and if they were I hope they were not friends with you.
2. You stated: ***I don't know anything about the murder victim excluding the fact that he used to hang out in downtown bars in the wee hours of the morning. That didn't mean he was a bad person, but he certainly made very bad lifestyle choices.***
These judgements and harsh statements can touch a bad cord with those of us that know Phil as a human being, his lifestyle and his background. Your assumptions are false, cruel, and innacurate. In fact, I can see why Sally fired back on your 'lack of sympathy' because in fact it is just that. If you had any decency or sympathy for the victim you would NEVER write judgments or assumptions all of which are false because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You don't know him. So just be quiet.
Phil was a wonderful man.. xoxoxo
"Palo Alto Resident", again, you assume stuff that has nothing to do with reality. I don't need bar hopping people to make my house (not bungalow) worth millions. I could afford to buy it because I got a great education and put it to good use in private business. My financial security which is solid, irreversible and totally independent of real estate fluctuations, was achieved partially because I didn't waste my time in drinking establishments, but to each his own. I still don't understand why a person (whose pointless death makes me very sad) who lived in either Belmont or S. San Francisco according to the police report, was so widely known in Palo Alto. I'm also trying to find out if his murder was random, if it was related to gang rivalry or if it was a personal dispute. Those are legitimate questions.
"Since Sunday afternoon, Palo Alto police officers have been combing the area for Koloto, who recently lived near Palo Alto "for some time," Ryan said."
Near Palo Alto--- did he live in Portola Valley, Stanford, I wonder where. If it was local then many people will recognize him from the photo are they coming forward, if not why not.
I suppose waterboarding is out of the question.
Donadoni.....who cares about your car, house or education. this is America, we have the right to eat or drink where we want. This young man is dead and all this bullshit is'nt going to bring him back.
"a friend"- who said you don't have a right to bar hop? In America stupidity is the real religion, and everybody is free to be anything, including stupid, but for some reason nobody wants to explain why the late Mr. Lacy was known to so many PA residents when he didn't seem to live anywhere near PA, or was it because he was a regular at local bars and managed to make some enemies as well as friends? Just asking. His "friends" seem to evade the question:was it a random murder or was it something else.
BTW Mr. "a friend", this is not America, this is the U.S.A, only one country in north America. Brazil, Argentina, Peru, Mexico, Canada, Costa Rica and many other countries are just as "America" as we are. You need to lose that ugly American attitude, dude.
Canadians do not call themselves American, the rest call themselves latin american.
The US residents can legitimately call themselves American and will continue to do so.
Shut up!!!! This was a wonderful man that lost his life!!! Do you know what that means??? Obviously you are not well enough educated to realize that money is no comparison to the joy Phil brought to people's lives. I am reading, trying to see other friends with the same wishes for Phil's peaceful rest, and all I read is you whining over stuff that doesn't matter. SHUT UP. Put your money to good use and donate some to Phil's funds for cancer. Understand that this man saved others by being a donner. Get a life and on the board of your town, ask the police questions, and stop writing in an area that most people are trying to find comfort. I am Phil's friend from Millbrae, but I wasn't worried about writing the town i am in, I was worried about honoring a great mans memory. So again, shut up and complain somewhere else!!!!
Phil, we love you!!!!
Please keep your comments to your self. You are making other PA residents look bad and unsympathetic with your ignorant remarks about people who enjoy themselves by going to the bars. It doesn't matter where this tragedy happened, violence actions like these have to be stopped prirod.
You are missing the boat. You are a nerd and need to stop bringing up things of no importance. I'm also a "financially secure" PA resident, but in contrast to you I like go out and enjoy myself. I'm ashamed by your comments and wish you would stop.
You are missing the boat. You are a nerd and need to stop bringing up things of no importance. I'm also a "financially secure" PA resident, but in contrast to you I like go out and enjoy myself. I'm ashamed by your comments and wish you would stop.
Out of respect for a young man who lost his life far, far too early, can we please stop the anger, the vehemence, & just try harder for politeness & civility?!?!?!?
If we ALL do the right thing, we will ALL be doing some soul searching about this horror. Many important questions have been, & will continue to be raised. Unless we have the courage & fortitude to face & endure the difficult examination of how this tragedy happened, it will be repeated again. The solution will not be easy, nor will it be simple.
Opening discussions is what we need to do, but only if we can do so with basic respect!
And here is my puny little suggestion for you all: Start with your children, or some young people that you know well. Talk with them about this tragedy, & how horrible you think it is, that violence is NEVER, NEVER the answer. Then keep talking, for years to come.
Here are the relative crime rates for EPA and Palo Alto you can use the link to compare any two communities.
An evidence based/ fact based discussion will be better than some of the myths claimed on this blog
see link Web Link
to that ahole who said "go watch the wire"
If youre so tough why dont you apply for Oakland, Los Angeles, or Compton PD. If palo alto cops are so soft why dont you take one on. Your a coward who hides behind his computer to put people down. Look in the mirror and judge yourself for a few minutes tough guy. My brother was a palo alto cop for many years and retired. I bet he has done more for you this whinning, pathetic community than you ever had. I bet my life that if someone was to break into your over priced two bedroom eichler you would be on the phone calling the so called soft police to save your ass.
To the family of Phil Lacy,
Condolences to you and may God bless Phil's soul.
Grew up here and have lived in SF and menlo. I know people everywhere...
as do a zillion others. Your point has no point.
Phil- RIP. I am hoping you strike some bad karma from wherever you are on this worthless POS that is still out there. He'll get his. Hopefully another money hungry thug will sell him out instead of committing a crime.
sick of it, a resident of the Fairmeadow neighborhood
Wow, you call me out for "hiding behind my computer" but at least I use my name, "sick of it". Respect to Palo Alto cops - I'm saying that all of Palo Alto is a soft protective bubble, and you can't deny that the average cop's job here is ridiculously easier than the average American cop's.
I wasn't trying to be a tough guy. What I'm saying is, as you'd realize if you watched the wire and were smart, it's ridiculous that Palo Alto wants to rise up in arms because one person got killed. Sure it's a tragedy, but take a look at the big picture - there are so many more people getting killed elsewhere, but it takes a local killing for us to get so worked up about security. That sounds awfully selfish to me. Such a rich community wants to waste time legalizing carrying weapons here, and spend god knows how much on increasing police patrols, when this sort of tragedy occurs on a daily basis in nearby communities.
And yes, I'm sure your brother has done loads more for this community than I have - I haven't done sh*t, to be honest. By the way I'm 21 years old and a college student, so no I'm not hanging out in my 2 room Eichler, either.
And lastly, if my house did get broken into, you're damn right I'd call the cops. But you think they'd do anything about it? Ha.
One more thing - I'm in no way disparaging any police. I have a problem with the whole police system. It's mostly a show.
Catch a clue - doesn't matter why the young man knew so many people here. Its not really any of your business. Maybe he used to go to school here, maybe he worked here, mybe his best friend lives here, maybe he was such a nice person, he had millions of friends and some lived here. Lots of people come to PA to eat, shop and have a cocktail. There used to be live music too, but that's gone.
Have some respect for his family and friends.
"Canadians do not call themselves American, the rest call themselves latin american."
They don't call themselves Americans because they are not arrogant, they know that they are only one nation within the America continent. In Latin America the US is referred to as north America and US citizens as North Americans. They are upset when they hear US citizens refer to themselves as "Americans". They'll often say that they are Americans too. To them, this is another racist and iperialistic attitude by US north Americans. I have lived in Brazil for many years and whenever a US visitor referred to himself as "American", someone would tell him:you are not American, because the continent isn't made of only one country, you are a US citizen from north America.
It's certainly my business to find out why a person whose place of residence no one seems to know knew so many people here. Did he just like to hang out in PA or was he involved in some non-kosher activities that pissed off another gang. His murder made this town less safe to live in, and if his murder wasn't random but a result of his activities, I have a right to know. This is no disrespect for the victim. I'm not saying he was involved in any criminal activities, I just never heard of the victim prior to his murder, but the numerous acquaintances he seemed to have made here seem extremely tight lipped about what type of work, if any, he was doing and about his background.
The reason why people are coming here is not because they are from PA, but because we went to school with Phil and this is the only place where the news was posted online... I did a google search to find out what was going on. I heard from friends and then on the news about this horriable event.
I pray that God will comfort Phil's family and friends...
Donadoni, you need help... I know you are confused and want answers but you are looking at things the wrong way.
How many 27-year old men do you know? Your argument is that since you didn't know this one, Phil, yet others do, then he must have been involved in something nefarious.
Your reasoning is so flawed. Perhaps Phil used to live here and moved to S. San Francisco to get away from the smug, condescending people like yourself.
For someone who claims to have gotten a great education, you write like a poorly-educated person.
"I'm 21 years old and a college student"
Calvin, OK, got it.
I am SURPRISED you to still have the audacity to continue to keep commenting.
First of all, Phil isn't from Palo Alto nor are MOST of his friends. The friends that are writing on this are doing so to find some sort of COMFORT in this very difficult time. We are trying to come together and console one another in our time of loss.
This is our only outlet. Phil was a wonderful human being.
I am not from Palo Alto, but grew up on the Peninsula. In fact I live in the North Bay now, and I have FREQUENTED the Palo Alto scene at times to get together with friends who live in the area. We enjoy shopping, eating and having drinks in the downtown neighborhood.
DOES THIS MAKE ME A BAD PERSON? Is it okay if I, LIKE PHIL enjoy to go to Palo Alto with some friends????
Please get off your high horse? Crime happens EVERYWHERE.... It is tragic and horrific and Phil didn't deserve this?
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OMG! I went to middle and high school with Phil! I did not believe this until I saw the picture of Phil. I am really sad he was such a nice person. He is a major loss to lots of people. This is awful. He was the person that would just make people smile everytime he said anything. I will keep his family in my prayers. Why would anyone do something like this? He was such a good person!
i love you phil...not a day goes by without me thinking of you. xoxo
after sitting here and randomly reading what outsiders have to say about such an unfortunate situation is sickening. friends of phil's can't get this crazy loss out of our heads and are constantly looking places for answers and updates and have to stumble across something as dumb as a bunch of strangers talking crap about stuff they don't know. phil was an amazing person that any of you would have been lucky to have really known or even met for 5 minutes. He was a son, a brother, an uncle, a friend who no matter what did not deserve what happened to him. i please ask for this to be a place to reflect on what has happened...not to be a disrespectful scenerio of something a stranger is creating of why it did. r.i.p. phil i love you so very much :::::::vf
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