PA shooting victim 'critical' at Stanford Hospital Crimes & Incidents, posted by Editor, Palo Alto Online, on Jul 13, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Searching for some shred of evidence to a brazen 1:45 a.m. shooting outside Palo Alto police headquarters, police teams in orange vests scanned the shrubbery at the Civic Center with metal detectors into the late afternoon. The victim is reported in extremely critical condition at Stanford Hospital.
Read the full story here Web Link posted Sunday, July 13, 2008, 4:44 PM
Posted by DS, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Jul 13, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Only in Palo Alto! Just hours after the shooting, a half a block away, Ramona St was closed so that the fire department could play baseball in the middle of the street in front of the The Old Pro Sports Bar. Isn't it fire season?
Posted by Mary, a resident of the Professorville neighborhood, on Jul 13, 2008 at 6:14 pm
I live about 50 feet from where the crime happened and I feel scared now as I walk home at night but try to not be out after 11PM. I thought living downtown was convenient but now it feels unprotected. Why pay the high prices? I am a resident of this neighborhood where it happened and I don't think enough is being done to prevent crime here. It happened right next to he police station for heavens sake.
Posted by Tim, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Jul 13, 2008 at 6:47 pm
This was OFF DUTY Firefighters playing stick ball (small rubber ball) for the Firefighters Olympics. There was about 50 participents from other fire depts, who spent money in our city. Maybe you should do alittle homework (ask questions) before you post.
Posted by DS, a resident of the Professorville neighborhood, on Jul 13, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Nothing against the fire fighters. It was just a bizarre scene with the crime tape for the shooting practically overlapping the police barriers for the stick ball street closure. It was bad timing. My heart goes out to the victim's family.
Posted by Jacob, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Jul 13, 2008 at 8:18 pm
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When you get a chance, go downtown at 2:00 in the morning on a weekend night and see what it looks like. My family and I stopped going downtown on weekends due to the bar crowd that gets out of control. These bars over serve people to get them drunk and make a profit and then people like you take shots at the police responding to a man shot.
Posted by Brit, a resident of another community, on Jul 13, 2008 at 10:56 pm
My friends and I were downtown leaving a club when we heard the gunshot. Police responded almost immediately. We weren't quite sure what we heard was a shot until we walked back down the same street to discover this young man's "best friend" devastated in the middle of the street. We tried to console him, but police responded also to his wild behavior, while on-lookers catcalled. There needs to be more compassion in this cruel world. I don't know about some baseball game, I don't live in Palo Alto, but the police did do a decent job last night. Finding the muderer though, would be my top priority rather than some game they can put off. Although, the police need to do a better job with public relations. As we tried to explain the best friend's situation, the police treated us very coldly and the man aggressively. Like I said before, we all need some compassion. God bless the yound man who was shot, the witnesses, and also the desperate shooter, who needs some spirit in his life.
Posted by jon, a resident of the Old Palo Alto neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2008 at 2:00 am
It is unfortunate that there is community so close by that is filled with young men who are vested in this society--who would quite gladly take your life for a mere $20. I think being frightened is quite an appropriate response. Creating a more just society might be a still more appropriate response.
Posted by Jim, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2008 at 7:14 am
We just moved into a condo within a block or two of the shooting with our two high/middle school age children. My comments are the same as I said to them... Crime happens everywhere, it is extremely scarey when it is a random act of violence, and now we will see what makes Palo Alto such an excellent community and so desirable and that is partially displayed the response of the police department and city officials. I have confidence the the police will work night and day to find the suspect. I hope they will implement new actions to increase safety downtown and city council will fund these new measures, whether they are increased patrols, mounted police, or video surveillance.
Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2008 at 7:49 am
I am not sure because it doesn't make it clear in the article that this was a random act of violence. Just because the victim's friends didn't know the attacker, it doesn't mean the victim didn't know him, or that there hadn't been some type of argument in a bar earlier. Until that fact is made clear, I withhold comment on that. But, what it shows is that we must fear all strangers as they may be armed and dangerous. CCTV is called for in all downtown areas, midtown areas and parking areas. For those who worry about privacy, what would you be doing in public that you wouldn't want to be seen if you were shot?
Posted by Look to the East, a resident of Menlo Park, on Jul 14, 2008 at 8:45 am
I saw a study in the SF Chronicle displaying the location of murders in the city, showing most murders in the Mission and the Tenderlion. I would love to see a map of the criminals' homes for activity around here. I see quite a few articles of murders, robberies and break ins on paloaltoonline.com.
Posted by Look to the West, a resident of Menlo Park, on Jul 14, 2008 at 10:34 am
Palo Alto has its own share of criminals and crimes committed by caucasians. Since there are few Pacific Islanders living in Palo Alto, however it can be assumed the assailant may not live in Palo Alto. That's not the point, though. The point is that a violent crime - currently - attempted murder committed in the course of an armed robbery - was committed in a major tourist/money-making area. I heard the victim had been at a popular bar right before the robbery/shooting.This is major tourist time, too. The police heavily patrol downtown on weekends, especially during summer & holidays, & this happened not far from the police station. It's very tragic. Young men aren't used to being victims of crime when they're in a safe area, especially if they're caucasian. Sounds like the victim was just being a guy, used to safety, not alone, & waiting for the rest of his friends. Horrendously violent & tragic situation.
My heart goes out to the loved ones of the victim.
Posted by Friend, a resident of another community, on Jul 14, 2008 at 11:06 am
The status of the victim has not been officially been reported. The news states he is on life support. But those close to him know the truth and rumors have been swirling since Sunday morning. I wish and HOPE his name can continue to stay private for his family and close friends. As a personal friend of his, this is devastating, horrific and so tragic.
Posted by Jeremy, a resident of the University South neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2008 at 11:14 am
Downtown Palo Alto is becoming very sketchy at night... something should be done to keep out people from the inner city. I've heard of a number of incidents recently involving "ghetto like" individuals stealing from and physically harming residents on Friday and Saturday nights especially. Let's keep Palo Alto safe and classy!
Posted by Friend of Phil, a resident of Menlo Park, on Jul 14, 2008 at 11:17 am
To all of you that are unclear Phil Lacy was a sweet, cool and Classy man from Millbrae. He had no enemies and never started problems with anyone. Phil nor his friends know this sick sick terrible person who did this. He was a well dressed white man leaning on a brand new 08 luxury car, wearing a chain worth thousands. This scumbag was driving by and saw that and wanted what he had. He came to rob him for his chain, after ripping the chain from his neck he turned to run and then for some reason he turned back around and shoot him in his face. Senseless violence over a chain! I hope his friends who were standing there witnessing this tell police all they know so that this guy can be put away for life. What gets me is he came for the chain so why did he have to turn back around and kill him!?? May you rest in peace my dear dear friend. Phillip Lacy you will never be forgotten and you are missed by so many.
Posted by Friend of Phil, a resident of Menlo Park, on Jul 14, 2008 at 11:20 am
Oh also for those that have asked the news papers and news cast are not right. He is on life support because he is a organ donor and they need to preserve his organs. He has no brain activity and is in fact no longer with us
Posted by Clarification to Jeremy, a resident of Menlo Park, on Jul 14, 2008 at 11:26 am
Inner city? What inner city? SJ? SF? By the way, the victim wasn't from Palo Alto. Keep residents safe? What about visitors? The "bridge & tunnel" crown swarms PA all weekend. As a local, I don't go downtown on weekends much, esp. not late at night. This victim was from up the peninsula.
How to keep people out? Your NIMBY attitude works quite well - except for those w/guns, who just don't care.
Posted by package, a resident of the Palo Verde neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Dear Friend of Phil,
While I understand your grief over the loss of your friend, it's probably best to let any further information come from either the family or a hospital spokesperson. It's in everyone's best interest. Thank you.
Posted by OhlonePar, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Friend of Phil,
I'm so sorry. Awful and senseless. I hope the witnesses got a good luck at that creep.
Everyone else, "critical" is pretty much code for not gonna make it. It's used for situations where the victim's on life support for organ donation reasons, in a coma, or has internal bleeding they can't stop.
Occasionally kids come out of a critical stage, but that is one of those miracle things.
In other words, Friend of Phil was just telling us what was between the lines.
Posted by Friend, a resident of another community, on Jul 14, 2008 at 2:01 pm
I agree.... our streets are not safe and P.L didn't deserve it. What's happening here? Our streets are turning into CRIME scenes everyday!
The comments posted here will not impede the investigation... JUSTICE will be served! This is the only outlet for many of us who know him, to get our feelings across and let everyone know who this wonderful man is!
Posted by Safety First, a resident of the Greater Miranda neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2008 at 2:57 pm
First, Prayers go out to Mr. Lacy, his friends, and his family.
Second, We need more cops on the streets, _especially from 12-4 AM. They should be mobile patrols on bicycle, motorcycle, etc.. Think like a criminal. Where would you go to rip off (or worse) victims that are likely to have something worth taking? This is prime thief territory. Start with keeping an outside light turned on in the evening; it's a simple, cheap deterrent. Start a neighborhood watch organization, and participate. Install surveillance cameras and advertise their presence.
Posted by Anonymous, a resident of another community, on Jul 14, 2008 at 3:22 pm
This act of violence and hate is unforgivable. I am truly disappointed in what our society has become. PL is an amazing person. I did not know him long but long enough to say that he was kind hearted. . My heart goes out to his closer group of friends and family. I hope that the Palo Alto police department is doing their VERY BEST to investigate this disturbance.
Posted by Raymundo, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Remember, the GOP keeps telling us how bad government is and how unAmerican it is to have "large government". Since their process of de-funding and dismantling the government with the exception of trillions for war profiteers is at full force and almost irreversible by now, get used to a time when there will be NO police force to deal with crimes like this, since in the near future a police budget will be just a fond memory.
Posted by btw, a resident of the Adobe-Meadows neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2008 at 4:24 pm
btw, check news of woman being slammed at airport video by cops.will file suit.bravo ,cops like to slam women and minorities.have witnessed this .it was an anglo white woman ,btw so you cant say minorities dont care for ALL peoples rights. abc news has video
Posted by Daleana, a resident of another community, on Jul 14, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Dear Friend of Phil,
I was one of the people trying to help the friend that was there. He was so pissed and distrought by what happened to his friend that the police detained him. I was trying to call someone to pick him up and I got a hold of his father briefly. I was wondering how he was.
And also I am very sorry for the loss of Phil. I hope they catch that S.O.B. and he gets what he deserves. If you could e mail me I would appriciate it. email@example.com
Posted by Native, a resident of Menlo Park, on Jul 14, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Leave it too the liberal loons to take a tragic situation and blame it on a political adversary. I hope they catch this guy and put him away for eternity. I'm sure Raymundo would fight like hell to put this scumbag right back on the streets. My hearfelt wishes are for the family of this victim.
Posted by Len S., a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Firstly, my sincere condolences to the victim's family and friends. This was a horrible tragedy, and I hope the investigation leads to a quick closure.
But, something bothers me even more. The fact that the "suspect" robbed and shot someone in front of witnesses, and at the entrance to the police garage, at a time when there was significant police presence in the area, tells me that this animal is capable of, and willing to, do anything at any time to anyone. He needs to be permanently removed from society - no "time-off for good behavior", no parole.
If there's ever been a crime in Palo Alto that deserves one final visit to the pale green, octagonal room at San Quentin, this has got to be it.
Posted by coming soon to your neighborhood, a resident of the Palo Verde neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2008 at 10:39 pm
didnt' the new city mgr. come from Berserkley, well known for its street crimes? Maybe some folks oughta show up at Monday's city council mtg. and send a message of outrage to the council and new mgr that this murder happened right outside city hall. Get the police chief to propose a bold plan of "no tolerance" or you could be next
Posted by Len S., a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Where the police station is located really isn't an issue. They go where they're needed - they don't sit around in the station all night (except maybe for the watch commander doing his paperwork). The point about the crime being committed outside the police garage was that at any time, a patrol car could have showed up. Either a VERY stupid criminal, or one who is so hardened that he just doesn't care. Either way, he needs to be gone - for good.
Posted by h8 ignorance, a resident of the Palo Alto Orchards neighborhood, on Jul 15, 2008 at 5:55 am
hey pa resident do u realize that cops drive cars, motorcycles, and bikes because they patrol the neighborhoods not the police station. theyre supposed to be proactive not reactive. if all they ever did was stay in the station until theyre called out then your precious little bubble would be filled with crackheads, prostitutes, and gangbangers.
Posted by i h8 ignorance 2, a resident of another community, on Jul 15, 2008 at 6:34 am
h8 ignorance...but it truly is a little ironic that someone did have the guts to commit this act right in front of the police station. one would only assume that there would be a cop or two inside those doors and would immediately react. i know that most cops are out patrolling the neighborhoods and such places, but i'm sure it does come to everyone's minds that strangely he wasn't caught specifically b/c of where he was shot.
Posted by Raymundo, a resident of the Barron Park neighborhood, on Jul 15, 2008 at 7:58 am
progressive trust police officers as long as they protect civilians from criminals and don't brutalize people just because they protest against criminal wars, for example. We need many more cops who patrol the streets and that costs money which we don't have, mostly because of the dismantling of the government by the fascist and despicable GOP. If they ever catch the criminal who shot this person, he spend the rest of his life doing hard labor without the slightest chance of parole.
Posted by Michelle, a resident of the College Terrace neighborhood, on Jul 15, 2008 at 8:54 am
I am so saddened by the vitriolic commentary on this board about a crime that had two victims - both tragic.
It is truly tragic that a young person - albeit one of relative privilege - lost his life in this horrible fashion. But we've heard plenty of sympathy for this person.
What we have not heard is any concern for the other victim in this situation - the youthful minority individual who pulled the trigger but was as much a victim as the other unfortunate at the scene.
We have not considered the terrible circumstances of deprivation and poverty that likely led to the inner rage that fills the youth of underprivileged towns nearby - leading them to lash out in violent, sometimes tragic fashion. Had we done so BEFORE this desparate attempt to gain our attention gone so sadly awry, perhaps one death and another ruined life could have been prevented.
There is a tendency to put responsibility for acts like this all on the perpetrator nowadays, rather than to look to society's guilt and responsibility for allowing the conditions that create crime and criminals to prevail.
This is a holdover from the Reagan/Bush conservative racist era that is thankfully coming to a close. With Democrats in charge in Congress now, and hopefully the election of a new, more sensitive president in Barack Obama, we can look forward with expectations that we will do something about the root causes of violence and war in our nation and our world - and to a time where we cease blaming the real victims of our racist culture for actions where they are only functionaries of an oppressive system.
Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Jul 15, 2008 at 9:03 am
I can't understand you. The fact that the innocent victim in this case was one of "relative privilege" has nothing to do with what has happened. A young man was shot and his life appears to be at an end and he and his friends and family deserve all our sympathy and help.
The other "victim" as you call him, the guilty party in this case, made his choice. You rightly point out that he is a victim of his own circumstances, but don't equate what he has done as being innocent.
Yes, the problem does lie with society, but not necessarily with politics. I could say that the breakdown of family life and the fact that particularly in the lower income areas where I suspect this shooter was from has families where there is no male role model, parent, or otherwise to teach young men how to take on responsibility and grow up to be respectable citizens has a big role to play in this and the lives of others like him. We must as a society prevent young girls getting pregnant and raising sons without their fathers, and no parenting skills of their own. Otherwise, this cycle of wild youth, gang problems and worse will accelerate into future generations.
Posted by Friend of P.L, a resident of another community, on Jul 15, 2008 at 10:16 am
Le'ts STOP for a moment and think about what what you are saying. You DON'T know the victim at all or his family, his background or where he comes from.
This makes me sick...disgusts me that you speak as you if you know WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. This young, kind hearted man was SHOT and the victim has fled the scene. I don't care where the victim is from or why his circumstances led him to do what he did... HE SHOT an innocent man.. a man who already has suffered more loss in his family, than most other 27 year olds. Have some sympathy before you start ranting your political views. Think about his family and friends.... people who are devasted over this!
Posted by Danny, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Jul 15, 2008 at 10:45 am
My heart goes out to Phil's friends and family. I know someone who went to school with him and he was very well liked and highly thought of. And although I kind of understand Michelle's point above, I can't say I have much sympathy for anyone who would shoot an unarmed young man in the head. That is simple cowardice. We ALL have stress, we ALL have worries. But there's no cause for cold-blooded murder.
May you rest in peace Phil. To quote Bruce Lee: "The key to immortality is to live a life worth remembering." From everything I've heard, Phil did exactly that. He may not be with us anymore, but he will always be immortal in the hearts and thoughts of those who knew him.
Posted by Kim, an old schoolmate of Phil, a resident of another community, on Jul 15, 2008 at 3:24 pm
My comment to Michelle:
You do not know Phil. To place judgement on him because he was wearing a gold chain and drove a nice car makes you a bigot. You are stereotyping him. SHAME ON YOU! Phil did not deserve to have this happen to him, whether he lived a privilege or grew up in the ghetto.
You need to get your head out of the clouds and get some life experience. To feel sorry for the shooter do to the fact that he is a minority and painting a picture that this man was leading a rough life to defend the shooter is unfathomable. How do you know that the shooter isn't a Stanford Student? How do you know that the shooter lived a hardened life? YOU DONT!
So you feel the need the place your judgement on others, here is my judgement of you:
You sound like a first year psychology student with a chip on your shoulder against the whiteman!
When they catch the killer they can lock you in his cell.
Posted by h8 ignorance, a resident of the Palo Alto Orchards neighborhood, on Jul 15, 2008 at 5:36 pm
h8 ignorance 2,
i was there at the blue chalk when this happened. i am an iraq war veteran and know when i hear a gun shot. when i heard it i saw the two palo alto officers keeping the peace in front of the club run through the garage and were probably there with the victim within seconds. the police officers who you haters so criticize did thier jobs well. the only thing they could have done was to have been there ten seconds earlier and we all know that would have been dumb luck at best.
i immigrated here from a poor, impovrished nation and even where i came from murder is looked down upon. do you really think that being poor justifies murdering an innocent person? poor or not life is precious and no one has the right to take it. you should be ashamed of yourself for even trying to justify this animal's actions. put yourself in the place of mr. lacy's family and friends. would you care about the shooter's background and say that you would understand why he did such a thing? i hope you dont have children because if you raise them with the same type of reasoning then i'm sure we'll all be using our tax dollars to house them some day.
Posted by Concerned Parent and friend, a resident of another community, on Jul 15, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Michelle you are very DUMB for saying what you said. It does not matter how you live or where you come from. That street punk had no right to kill that young man. He had every right to live just like yourself. He also had every right to wear what he wanted that night.
Phil could of been been your brother, father or son. Would you still have this to say?
I also want to thank the group who stoped and tried to help Phil's friend. We need more people like you in thi world.
From what I understand Phil passed away, my his soul RIP
Posted by phil's sister, a resident of another community, on Jul 15, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Thank you for your kind words about Phil. He was my little brother and i miss him dearly. I know he would appreciate you support and prayers as we all do. Please consider the family before you write stupid, ignorant comments about someone you obviously don't know. Michelle, i'll pray for you and maybe you'll learn to think before you open that mouth of yours. Talk to me when you've had your baby brother murdered for a stupid necklace. Phil , you're finally where you wanted to be--Home with mom. What a joyous reunion. I love you.
Posted by FRANK, a resident of another community, on Jul 16, 2008 at 8:16 am
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU SAID THERE HAS BEEN PLENTY OF SYMPATHY FOR PHIL AND NOT ENOUGH FOR THE SUSPECT. I GREW UP WITH PHIL AND AM DISGUSTED AT YOUR COMMENTS. I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT SOMETHING THIS TERRIBLE HAPPENS TO ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS SO YOU GET YOUR KARMA FOR YOU IGNORANT COMMENTS. AND WHY DOES THIS HAVE TO BE ABOUT RACE? IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT COLOR HE IS OR WHAT COLOR THE SHOOTER WAS. ALL THAT MATTERS IS A YOUNG MAN WITH HIS WHOLE LIFE AHEAD OF HIM IS NOW DEAD AND HIS POOR FRIENDS THAT WITNESSED THE MURDER WILL BE DEALING WITH THIS FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.PLEASE KEEP YOU STUPID COMMENTS TO YOURSELF AND RESPECT THOSE THAT REALLY NEED TO MOURN THE DEATH OF THEIR FRIEND. AS A LAST NOTE,I HOPE YOU HAVE A HORRIBLE LIFE BECAUSE YOU ARE A HORRIBLE PERSON.GO GET AN EDUCATION! AS FOR PHIL'S FRIENDS, I AM SORRY FOR YOU LOSS AND HOPEFULLY SOME CLOSURE CAN COME WITH THE THOUGHT OF PHIL BEING REUNITED WITH HIS MOM.
Posted by sam, a resident of another community, on Jul 16, 2008 at 8:41 am
It seems that you are listening too much to liberal junior college teachers instead of thinking for yourself. An innocent man is dead and your worried about the suspect because he is a minority! What are you thinking!there are a lot of minorities and people living in poverty that do not commit random acts of violence. I'm so sorry that Phil's sister had to read your ignorant post. You should be ashamed of yourself!!!! Go preach your liberalism somewhere else!Let the family and friends connect and mourn together without negativity from stupid people like you. Someone said that you should be put in the jail cell with the suspect. I think that's perfect. You can rub his belly and tell him it's not his fault! I hope Phil's sister can get back to mourning the death of her little brother without people like you causing her grief.I hope you have to feel what she is feeling one day because you only deserve the worst in life. Stay off these types of message boards and find some cry baby liberal website to post your liberal propaganda.
Posted by friend of Phil's, a resident of another community, on Jul 16, 2008 at 9:47 pm
RIP Phil- You will be missed and my heart goes out to your family. Yes, he did pass away- he was taken off the respirator. Cant believe what the youth has come to. Life is not all about robbing and killing, this needs to stop. You were a nice guy I'll remember all the car rides home after the bars and bumping Twista in your car. RIP!
Posted by ANN, a resident of another community, on Jul 17, 2008 at 7:58 am
MY DEEPEST CONDOLENCES TO PHILS FAMILY. PHIL IS A GREAT GUY AND NOBODY DESERVES THIS.HIS AWESOME SMILE WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTON. HE IS NOW WITH HIS PARENTS AND GRANDMOTHER. MAY THEY RIP TOGETHER.MANY PRAYERS.KEEP THE FAITH.MILLBRAE AND SAN BRUNO WILL NEVER FORGET YOU!! MUCH LOVE TO PHIL...
Posted by Alex, a resident of the University South neighborhood, on Jul 17, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Only in the wako bay area could someone claim that the "real victim" is the shooter, racist society is to blame yada yada... I hope they catch they guy and he gets the death penalty. It makes me proud to live in a society that does not succumb to the moral relativity displayed by weak souls such as Michelle above. The right to life was so important to our founders that they decided to put it in both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. When that right is violated, I have no problem with an equal punishment. Otto Koloto deserves what he inflicted on another. RIP Phil.