Double whammy for alleged DUI driver in PA crash Crimes & Incidents, posted by Editor, Palo Alto Online, on Jul 10, 2008 at 9:10 pm
A man who plowed his car into two other cars on University Avenue in downtown Palo Alto late Thursday morning had just been released 11 hours earlier on a drunk-driving charge in San Mateo County, Palo Alto police reported.
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Posted by Donald, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Jul 11, 2008 at 9:34 pm
I don't think that taking his license away will do much. People like this will drink and drive regardless. I have two recommendations in addition to revoking his license: 1) garnish his wages to pay for a private investigator to check on him every few days to make sure he isn't driving, 2) hold family members responsible if he is found to be driving without a license. Often times the family and friends know that a person has had a license suspended but continues to drive. They should suffer consequences for knowing this and not reporting it.
Posted by Midtown Mom, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Jul 11, 2008 at 11:09 pm
"Often times the family and friends know that a person has had a license suspended but continues to drive."
That is so true. I once had a friend who was going through a rough divorce. Hubby was cheating on her, then took up drinking. Their custodial arrangement had the young kids shuttling between the two parents. My friend KNEW that hubby was drinking & driving WITH THE KIDS IN THE CAR (!!!) but didn't want to rock the boat. She was still in denial, hoping to salvage the marriage and wanting to keep the relationship between children & father intact. I couldn't get through to her. To this day I can't understand how, as a mother, she'd let her kids be endangered this way. Maybe if there were laws that held family members accountable there'd be less room for being in denial of how dangerous these drunk "loved ones" really are.
Posted by Anonymous, a resident of the Duveneck/St. Francis neighborhood, on Jul 11, 2008 at 11:28 pm
That is so NOT true! Frustration runs high for family members who call the police about their drunken relatives and see nothing happen time and again. Sure, the person who is intoxicated might get picked up and held for a while, but that's about it. I have a close relative who constantly drinks and drives... has been in several car accidents, one so bad that none of the emergency personnel at the hospital thought my relative would not make it through the night. My relative was in a coma for a few months, but did survive. Now my relative is out on the road again. When the case went to trial, the judge thought the accident was enough punishment and didn't take the driver's license away. Well guess what? Since then, there's been another DUI in Susanville. My relative's mind is too messed up for anyone to talk any sense into the person, but not so messed up that a conservatorship is likely. So there seems to be nothing that the relatives can do but be miserable and pray no one gets hurt in the meantime. So please stop blaming families unfairly.
There are undoubtedly some people who don't want to rock the boat, but truth be told, that boat is awfully hard to rock.
Posted by Midtown Mom, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Jul 11, 2008 at 11:46 pm
You're right, Anonymous. My friend did ask me at the time not to bring up the subject as it was too painful for her let surface. I suspect that she felt similar frustrations to what you're experiencing. It's a complex problem. She probably figured that even if she did call the police as he drove off drunk, they'd slap his hand and he'd forever take it out on her. The thought of having his license revoked brought visions of him taking a bus to get the kids, or putting the entire shuttling burden on her. Even locking him up was unthinkable. She was a decent, hard-working professional; having a convict in the family -- no, causing her children to have a father in prison -- was not a comfortable thought. I'd still prefer any of those options over handing my kids to a drunk driver - ex-hubby or not. But I do see your point. No easy answers.
Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Jul 12, 2008 at 10:50 am
Taking someone's licence away will probably only make them drive without a licence and they will still drink and drive.
Instead, we have to do something that will prevent that person getting behind a wheel. Maybe the best thing to do would be to prevent him from getting hold of drink. I think that someone who has more than a couple of dui arrests should have their hands permanently died red (rather than having a finger cut off) and then it should be illegal to sell alcohol to anyone with red hands.
If these characters have a permanent reminder that there is blood on their hands if they drink and drive, it might make all society wake up to the mechanism that continually allows this to happen.
Posted by KT, a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Jul 13, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Was this guy still drunk when he left jail....I wouldn't doubt it. Most times people who have their licenses revoked will still drive if they have access to a car. It is inevitable. Most of them crash their cars so badly and drink their bank accounts dry (in addition to having so many court and lawyer fees to pay) that they can't afford to buy another car. So eventually, after all of their arrests and accidents they usually won't drive for a while. The only problem is making sure noone gets hurt in the meantime.
As for making the family members responsible......that is absolute INSANITY!!!! First of all, you can't CONTROL someone that has a drinking problem. They will get the booze however and whenever they want. That person with a drinking problem is an ADULT...and is responsible only for themselves. Secondly, most adult family members don't live together so it wouldn't be known precisely when they get behind the wheel. However, if a family member is intoxicated it would only make sense to drive them somewhere so they wouldn't have to drive.
This guy obviously needs rehab and I hope to God he doesn't kill someone in the meantime!
Posted by ......., a resident of the Midtown neighborhood, on Jul 15, 2008 at 7:24 pm
this man is a friend of mine......15 years so. He doesn't drink. Innocent until proven guilty. Note the word "suspicion" of drunk driving........ it's not "conclusively guilty" of drunk driving. anyone ever heard of an overzealous cop? I'm sure being in a wreck (which the cause of remains unstated in this article) just after being released of a dui charge (beit bogus or not...how's anyone to know) is just a big bone for a cop to chomp on. Ian is a good man, with a lovely family, a fabulous job and bad bad luck this day. Rant and rave about drunk drivers, I'll join you, but please wait to convict this man until he's had his day in court.