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Five years after "Mission Accomplished" they're giving us the rest of the spin

Original post made by Paul on May 1, 2008

"...the banner should have been much more specific and said `mission accomplished' for these sailors who are on this ship on their mission," White House press secretary Dana Perino said Wednesday.

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Posted by ol' lady, a resident of Midtown
on May 1, 2008 at 1:30 pm

This is really stupid of the White House to do. Fodder for the fools. White House's biggest weakness all along has been communicating in a way that makes it clear what it means.

It was clear then to anyone and everyone with a brain that the mission, to bring down Saddam, was accomplished. That was the mission.

This press secretary is pulling a Jeremiah Wright on Bush.


Posted by DESERVE VICTORY, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on May 1, 2008 at 1:43 pm



The mindless 'antiwar' movement is as happily unconcerned as the British public was when Nevill Chamberlain returned from a visit to Hitler prattling 'peace in our time'.

There is some religious faith amongst that movement that some magical negotiation by the right party will appease any thug into singing Kumbaya and ceasing whatever slaughter he's planning or executing.

The British public was wrong then and the 'antiwar' movement is wrong now. Actually, it's more an anti-Bush movement but the MSM eagerly adopts the fake handle.


Posted by Walter E. Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on May 1, 2008 at 7:15 pm

The failure of Bush to vigerously hit back at the nisinterprettation of that banner is illustrative of the primary Bush fault - the failure to defend his actions in the public arena. To paraphrase an old saying, you don't keep ypur hands in your pocket at a knife fight.


Posted by Kate, a resident of Crescent Park
on May 1, 2008 at 7:21 pm

All of you who hate President Bush are always going to try to use this banner to discredit the President. It's amusing to watch though.


Posted by Anonymous, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 2, 2008 at 7:41 am

Seems only the Bush lovers commenting here. Where's Gary? I guess we can't defend this act of hubris fast enough.


Posted by a, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on May 2, 2008 at 9:33 am

Mission Accomplished:
1) Ruin America's reputation in the world
2) Give reason to start another war with Iran
3) Whoops, no weapons of mass destruction, but hey at least we've got more Al-caida in Iraq now so we can continue the war and scare Americans into a military dictatorship
4) Oil at $120 and gas at $4.00 and going up because of geo-political tensions
5) As a result of high oil prices, natural gas prices go up. Oh, that means higher utility prices too.
6)4,000 dead and still counting.
7) Relaxing the definition of torture, so that pretty soon we'll have cameras on every street corner watching you like big brother, it's a slippery slope.
8) Billions of $$$$ spent on the war and where are we now? Money that could have been spent on libraries, infrastructure, schools, reducing crime, and so much more.
9) Third and fourth tour of duties. The military is so stretched thin we can't defend ourselves even along our own borders.
10) Welcome to the New American Century.

Perfect 10!


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on May 2, 2008 at 10:01 am

The message on that sign is plain enough, Walter. Lots of gullible types bought into it at the time. That was when we were promised the troops would be home by the coming September.

The spin doctors have been revisioning the message ever since, flip-flopping all over the deck as Bush's failures became obvious to reasonable intelligent people. But fewer and fewer are buying it: Web Link.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2008 at 3:40 am

Mission Accomplished:


1) Ruin America's reputation in the world
THE REPUTATION OF BEING THE WORLD'S BIGGEST SUCKER?

2) Give reason to start another war with Iran
THE WAR STARTED WHEN IRAN TOOK OUR DIPLOMATS HOSTAGE, NEVER STOPPED.

3) Whoops, no weapons of mass destruction, but hey at least we've got more Al-caida in Iraq now so we can continue the war and scare Americans into a military dictatorship
THIS STILL NOT RESOLVED BECAUSE OF THE RUBBER DEFINITION.

4) Oil at $120 and gas at $4.00 and going up because of geo-political tensions
LOTS OF $30/BBL OIL IN THE ANWAR AND OFFSHORE AND "WILDERNESS" AREAS BUT LIBLUDDS WON'T ALLOW PRODUCTION.

5) As a result of high oil prices, natural gas prices go up. Oh, that means higher utility prices too.
HAD WE BUILT THE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NATURAL GAS WOULD BE RESERVED FOR HOME COOKING AND CHEMICAL FEED STOCK.

6)4,000 dead and still counting.
PRETTY SELECTIVE COUNTING, AS IF ONLY DEATHS CAUSED BY US ACTIONS COUNT.

7) Relaxing the definition of torture, so that pretty soon we'll have cameras on every street corner watching you like big brother, it's a slippery slope.
RELAXING? HOW ABOUT EXPANDING?

8) Billions of $$$$ spent on the war and where are we now? Money that could have been spent on libraries, infrastructure, schools, reducing crime, and so much more.
HOW MUCH IS SOVEREIGNLY WORTH?

9) Third and fourth tour of duties. The military is so stretched thin we can't defend ourselves even along our own borders.
TOURS IS WHAT SERVICE IS ALL ABOUT. THEY ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS, AND THEIR EXTENDED TOURS ARE, IN PART, MADE SO BECAUSE FOOLS GIVE THE ENEMY HOPE.

10) Welcome to the New American Century.
THANKS.


Posted by ol' lady, a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2008 at 7:48 am

Paul, nobody at all in military or Bush's admin even had it enter their minds that all the troops would be home in September.

From the beginning, even I, who only read books and listened to talking heads, thought it would be 5 years before we could stand down to about 30-40,000 troops in Iraq.

Taking longer...because of 2 things an d 2 things only.

One: the libs in our country trying desperately to cause defeat through emboldening terrorists..who keep blowing us and Iraqis up in the hope that we will leave before democracy is too settles there and the Iraqi govt can defend the Iraqi people ( too late..they are virtually there)

Two: The libs in our country who side with Iran and Syria in providing them cover for the arms and people they are funneling into Iraq to fight a shadow war between those two countries, neither of whom want a functioning, moderate democracy planted next door to them. This is one of the many reasons they despise Israel, for proving that democracy treats their people better than their dictatorships.

However, in spite of the enemies of freedom abroad and home, freedom is winning, thanks to the Republican faith in the human spirit and will of the Iraqis.


Posted by ol' lady, a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2008 at 7:51 am

Paul, nobody, but nobody, is forced to stay in the military longer than their commitment. Can't do it.

When a person signs up for the military, it is quite clear from the beginning that they are handing their bodies and lives over to the military to send when and where it will. It is absolutely clear that the job is 24/7. Those who don't understand commitment and military have no clue what kind of incredible men and women commit in 4 year increments their minds and bodies to our country.

For me, this is the saddest part of all. The best of our country join the military on behalf of even the worst of our country, and there is not even one bit of understanding, let alone gratitude, amongst the lowest of us.


Posted by ol' lady, a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2008 at 7:56 am

Paul, 600 billion spent in 6 years in Iraq...our annual budget is 3 trillion.

Do you understand that we have spent about 3.5% of our FEDERAL budget in the last 6 years on Iraq? About 2% of all taxes, fed, state and local, on Iraq? What one item in your budget have you spent 2-3% of your income on in the last 6 years that has made historical changes for good in your life?


Posted by ol' lady, a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2008 at 7:58 am

Paul, are you responsible for the deaths in your city that you didn't cause? So why is the USA responsible for deaths in Iraq it doesn't cause? The answer is...not.


Posted by ol' lady, a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2008 at 8:01 am

Paul, you have no clue, do you, that the definition of torture has been expanded, not relaxed. People like you now have expanded torture to include humiliation and fear. Sorry, don't buy it.


Posted by ol' lady, a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2008 at 8:03 am

Paul, you have no clue, do you, that oil is going up because international demand is increasing,..but not supply. Hmmm, who is stopping an increase in supply here at home? Prices don't go up over "geopolitical tensions". Where do you get this stuff? Even Barack isn't that naive.


Posted by ol' lady, a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2008 at 8:04 am

Paul, have you ever worked for a company that had a party after a "Mission was accomplished"? Did the company shut down after that?


Posted by Perspective, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on May 4, 2008 at 9:09 am

Paul, please post some more. You've worked these two into a lather. Maybe you can get their blood pressure over 400.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2008 at 2:12 pm

Don't know about the ol' lady, but my BP is just fine. Perspy, check the definition of forum. I am amused at the rapidity lefties resort to invective just as soon as they are forced outside their programming.


Posted by Jane, a resident of Professorville
on May 4, 2008 at 2:24 pm



The lesson of world war 2 is that we win by declaring total war.
We completely destroyed Japan and Germany and they gave us no trouble afterwards.

In world war 4[the current one against jihad] we need to apply the same total war.

After 911 we should have taken out Kabul with cobalt clad nuclear weapons.

We did not hesitate to destroy cities before, that strategy worked and we should do it again to any nation that aids our enemies.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on May 4, 2008 at 4:26 pm

We are fortunate we can fight a more discriminatory war today, but it must always be advantageous to be a friend and bad to be an enemy of the US.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on May 4, 2008 at 4:56 pm

"We are fortunate we can fight a more discriminatory war today"

Yes, Walter, we are. However, the atomic bombs that we dropped in WWII are responsible for this. Not only did the A-bomb end WWII, in decisive fashion (and save many lives, despite what Bernstein says about it), but it set up the fear of total war. This fear produced the military strategies that resulted in precison bombing, and selective killing.

The A-bomb should get the World Peace Prize, because it has saved so many lives. The peaceful use of nuclear power is, as originally advertised, the potential savior of modern economies. Aah...so sweet to smell radiation at dawn....


Posted by Walter E. Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on May 5, 2008 at 2:43 am

Gary, when you are right, you are right.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on May 5, 2008 at 12:23 pm

"Paul, please post some more. You've worked these two into a lather."

I confess. I knew I was tossing a cherry bomb into a chicken coop when I started this thread. But like the time I really did that as a teenager, I knew I shouldn't but I couldn't resist. This time I got lots more fuss and feathers, and there's a bigger audience too.

"Mission Accomplished" must be a very sore spot for the Bushies. Such a show of victory 5 years and 5 days ago, such strutting and speechifying, then nothing but poof. Not even an annual blowout to commemorate the grand birth of the New Bush American Century and to celebrate the epidemic spread of democracy throughout the Middle East that the Bushies promised. Just the latest spin du jour.

Now you look at the Mexicans. They know how to party. Cinco de Mayo happened in 1862, 146 years ago, and they're still celebrating. It's even become a grand fiesta up here in Del Norte.

But who celebrates First of May, the triumphant ferrying of a president onto a ship in the calm waters just offshore for a media event at great taxpayer expense over a victory that wasn't and still ain't?* Not even the hard core Bushies, AFAIK. So I can't blame them for being so peeved at my posting.

*Well, McCain thinks he might do it in a hundred years or so.


Posted by jill, a resident of Downtown North
on May 5, 2008 at 12:58 pm

A Kuwaiti man released from the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay in 2005 has carried out a suicide bombing in Iraq, his cousin told Al Arabiya television on Thursday," Reuters reports from Dubai:

A friend of Abdullah Saleh al-Ajmi in Iraq informed his family that Abdullah carried out the attack in Mosul, his cousin Salem told the Dubai-based television channel.

"We were shocked by the painful news we received this afternoon . . . through a call from one of the friend's of martyr Abdullah in Iraq," said Salem al-Ajmi in a telephone interview aired by Arabiya.

He did not say when the suicide bombing happened.


Posted by ol' lady, a resident of Midtown
on May 5, 2008 at 1:17 pm

So, responding to ludicrous statements with no basis in reality means that this is a "sore spot"?

Strange thinking. Silence in the face of assertions usually means some degree of complicity, or at least agreement that it isn't worth pursuing.

Ok, telling us that you actually tossed a cherry bomb into a chicken coop as a teen tells us a lot about why you think the way you think today... and tells me, at least, that I need to treat your posts the way I treat others with no or minimal grasp of reality..a slightly glazed look and a polite smile, then move on.


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on May 5, 2008 at 1:28 pm

"that I need to treat your posts the way I treat others with no or minimal grasp of reality..a slightly glazed look and a polite smile, then move on."

I had long suspected that you (and certain others) treated my posts with no or minimal grasp of reality..a slightly glazed look and a polite smile, then moved on. But thanks for the confirmation.


Posted by Marvin Frey, a resident of Barron Park
on May 5, 2008 at 1:30 pm

Spin, spin, spin. Now, the only outstanding question is what rightwingers have against the harmless song Kumbaya. Do they object to singing? Religion? The civil rights movement with which the song was associated? I mean, if they want to make spurious attacks, why not falsely impute something besides religion to critics of Bush?

Top tip: Switch to Puff the Magic Dragon for a while.


Posted by a, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on May 5, 2008 at 1:41 pm

ol'lady and Wallis,

Please post more .... you will lead America's sons and daughters to death!!!!

Thank you for your leadership of death.


Posted by a, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on May 5, 2008 at 1:47 pm

Notice how ol'lady and Wallis also don't believe in global warming. ha, ha, ha. LOLOL.


Posted by DESERVE VICTORY, a resident of Old Palo Alto
on May 5, 2008 at 1:58 pm



After a private farewell dinner on December 5, 2006 at the White House for outgoing United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan (Secretary-General 1996 to 2006), soon-to-resign U.S. Ambassador John Bolton joked that "nobody sang 'Kumbaya.'" When told of Bolton's comment, Annan laughed and asked: "But does he know how to sing it?"

In a satirical campaign ad by David Zucker that ran before the 2006 Congressional elections, an actress playing Madeleine Albright serves cookies and milk to a group of terrorists; when she notices gunmen and suicide bombers emerging from the basement, her guests distract her and allay her suspicions by picking up a guitar and breaking into a chorus of "Kumbaya".


Posted by Paul, a resident of Downtown North
on May 5, 2008 at 2:16 pm

Unlike his target audience, David Zucker is too smart to believe his fiction. 'Nuff said.


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