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Are we OK with a Muslim President?

Original post made by Bystander, Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Dec 19, 2007

It is beginning to bother me that with one of our leading presidential candidates having been raised Muslim, even if he is not making an issue out of it, that the above question is not being asked. When I see criticism and discussion about the religion of two other candidates, Mormonism and Christian, being discussed in the media or elsewhere, I wonder if we are in danger of having double standards. Or, is it now politically correct (pun intended) to ignore those with possible non-Christian leanings, but seriously question those with Christian faith?

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Posted by jake
a resident of Community Center
on Dec 19, 2007 at 11:46 am

Obama was not raised Muslim. His mother is a Christian, and his father is an atheist.

Hillary must be really getting desperate to have her people descend to this level. Or are you just ignorant?


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 19, 2007 at 12:59 pm

The whole religious questioning is appalling, regardless of the candidate.

On the other hand, I guess nothing changes. I remember all the anti-Catholic bigotry with JFK.

It has grown to anti-Christian, now.

As for the Muslim part...who cares? As long as I agree with a candidate's assessment of what the issues are, and the solutions,and trust him/her to follow through on the promises, then I don't have a problem.

In this case, there are none I agree with on the left, and only a couple I agree with a LITTLE bit on the right.

oh well


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Posted by sad, sad, sad
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Dec 19, 2007 at 1:14 pm

The question and its underlying premise smack of bigotry. I'm not being politcally correct, just being fair, decent.


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Posted by R Wray
a resident of Palo Verde
on Dec 19, 2007 at 1:15 pm

Religion is a fundamental way of looking at the world. It is a basis for many decisions. It is legitimate to consider a candidate's basic standards.


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Posted by What'sReligionGotToDoWithIt?
a resident of Green Acres
on Dec 19, 2007 at 2:01 pm

Morality is a fundamental way of looking at the world. It is a basis for many decisions. It is legitimate to consider a candidate's basic standards.


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Posted by R Wray
a resident of Palo Verde
on Dec 19, 2007 at 4:13 pm

Religious people get their morality from their religion.


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Posted by Reality Check
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 19, 2007 at 4:47 pm

Wray, Prove it.


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Posted by What'sReligionGotToDoWithIt?
a resident of Green Acres
on Dec 19, 2007 at 5:12 pm

RWray, If religious people can't find a source other than their religion for their moral compass, that's a pretty sad situation. Atheists don't have to rely on mythology to help us understand that we should do unto others what we would have others do unto us. GWBush has religion, and he still can't figure it out.


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Posted by R Wray
a resident of Palo Verde
on Dec 19, 2007 at 6:39 pm

It can't be denied that religions (at least all those in the present context) have their moral commandments. To the extent that one is religious, one obeys his commandments. The proof is by inspection.
Atheism is the absence of belief; it's not a religion. The Golden Rule doesn't have any content. Suppose I would like others to furnish me with a new motor home. Does that I should go out and try to buy everyone a motor home? What should I have others do unto me? Should they furnish me free medical care?
Bush is a good Christian. That's why we are sacrificing for our brothers in Iraq.
BTW, I'm an atheist and I look forward to the day when an atheist could run for president.


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Posted by Reality Check
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 19, 2007 at 6:45 pm

Mao, Pol Pot, and Stalin were atheists. There are many good, moral atheists as well.

Nobody has a lock on morality.


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Posted by R Wray
a resident of Palo Verde
on Dec 19, 2007 at 6:59 pm

I'm a good moral atheist.
How far do you think a presidential candidate would get if he declared himself an atheist?


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Posted by Peter
a resident of another community
on Dec 19, 2007 at 7:05 pm

Everybody seems to be ignoring the first comment -- Obama was not raised as a Muslim. That's one of those right-wing smears that ignore the truth.


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Posted by sad, sad, sad
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Dec 19, 2007 at 8:29 pm

Knowing what a person claims as their religion is a far cry from evaluating what kind of president they would be. Thus, the question is more an indictment of Islam than an actual question about the candidate himself.

But yes, Peter, your point is well taken.


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Posted by R Wray
a resident of Palo Verde
on Dec 19, 2007 at 11:02 pm

A candidate's religion (or lack there of) is part of his core values. It certainly is a fundamental factor in evaluating what kind of president he would be.


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Posted by Spark
a resident of Barron Park
on Dec 19, 2007 at 11:07 pm

Rudy Guiliani was raised Muslim?? Holy crap, who knew!


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Posted by Carolyn
a resident of another community
on Dec 20, 2007 at 6:41 am

Peter: Why should it be a smear to be referred to as Muslim? I guess it's because of the brainwashing that has led the masses in this country to fear Muslims.


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Posted by R Wray
a resident of Palo Verde
on Dec 20, 2007 at 8:56 am

You may want to check out the Ayatollah Ali Sistani's web site--especially the Q&A.
Web Link
He is supposedly one of the more moderate Islamic leaders.


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Posted by Marvin
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Dec 20, 2007 at 9:18 am

Please send us a translation of the website since it is all in arabic


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Posted by R Wray
a resident of Palo Verde
on Dec 20, 2007 at 10:35 am

There is an "English" tab at the bottom of the front page.


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Posted by R Wray
a resident of Palo Verde
on Dec 20, 2007 at 10:43 am

BTW, I didn't put this web link in because of Obama. As far as I know he is a Christian. IF there were a serious Muslim running, I would be hard pressed to vote for him just as I would be hard pressed to vote for Huckabee. I have no problem with what religious practices individuals do, but the trouble is that they tend to want to make these a law for everyone.


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Posted by Joanna
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Dec 25, 2007 at 8:22 am

Bi-stander,

Spread Holiday cheer, not ignorance...


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Posted by Bystander
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 27, 2008 at 2:00 pm

This is becoming more and more of an issue and more is coming at us all the time. We should put some serious thinking on it.


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 28, 2008 at 1:46 pm

Carolyn: Good catch, about saying being a Muslim is a "smear". It is a "smear" just as saying someone is a Christian is a smear to some people.

By the way, as I wrote earlier and was deleted ( or I put it on the wrong site, perhaps)...the "smear" of Obama being Muslim originated with Hilary's campaign....NOT the vast "right wing"..just like the photo of him in "Osama" gear, and like the origination of using his middle name, Hussein, was fine with Ted Kennedy ( who also called him "Osama", not "Obama") and to be joked about by Jon Stewart, but NOT fine if anyone who is a Republican or a Conservative says it.

Typical double-speak of the left.


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Posted by Danny
a resident of Crescent Park
on Feb 28, 2008 at 2:38 pm

Barack Obama is not Muslim. You're misleading the public by insinuating that he is. Personally, I'd prefer if all presidential candidates were not religious at all -- it's a crutch to assuage peoples' fear and guilt and should have no bearing on public policy. Since when is being Christian a big plus and being Muslim a negative? All of the above have no proof of divinity, so they may as well be praying to Casper the Friendly Ghost.

But Obama IS NOT Muslim, so keep your fabrications to yourself.


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Posted by perspective
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 28, 2008 at 3:35 pm

Off topic, somewhat..

conversely there is no proof that there is NO God..which bet would you prefer to lose?

Sort of like the question, which bet do you prefer to lose, that Iraq had WMD and planned to use them, or that Iraq had no WMD?




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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Feb 28, 2008 at 3:46 pm

Since faith is something intangible, I don't know how someone can prove they are not of one particular faith in exactly the same way that they can prove that they are of another. There is nothing that can be called proof, as all we see is the habitual acts on the outside rather than the deep held beliefs on the inside.


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Posted by perspective.
a resident of Midtown
on Feb 28, 2008 at 7:29 pm

Well said, Resident. AGREED.

In my faith, this is along the lines of looking for the "fruit of the faith"..Most religions have something along this line...


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