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Partial comeback for Palo Alto's 88 bus

Original post made on Jul 24, 2007

Palo Altans will be able to ride the 88 bus line to Gunn High School, the Veterans Administration Hospital and the new Taube-Koret Campus for Jewish Life come January, but it won't be the same bus as before.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, July 24, 2007, 9:41 AM

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Posted by Better transit
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 24, 2007 at 11:34 am

VTA is a lame organization, as are most of the other transit organizations in California. The lack of coordination between and among agencies is nothing short of appalling.

Watch people getting off Caltrain stops and *running* to catch rail and bus lines that leave them in the dust, by seconds. It's absurd. Where's the inter-transit coordination. Why aren't the transit agencies DOING THEIR JOBS?

Penny Ellison's request makes sense; that's why we won't see VTA honor it.

So, we got a few crumbs from VTA and our policy makers are happy? C'mon!

Lis Kniss and Yoriko Kishimoto need to do more than lobby for a few bus lines. WHERE is the COORDINATED affort among ALL regional municipalities to DEMAND BETTER mass transit NOW!

This is THE issue impacting things like housing patterns, etc. etc.

We need to do MORE than argue for one bus stop at a time. Where's the LEADERSHIP on this issue?

And PLEASE don't tell me that this is a "regional" transit problem that Palo Alto doesn't have any responsibility for. We are ALL in this together; let's get to work on the HARD issues that MEAN something, instead of one feel good initiative after another!


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 24, 2007 at 11:42 am

The other absurd way they operate is in the manner of payment. It is really time consuming that commuters have to buy tickets for each individual agency. It would make sense that someone who is taking the bus and then the train could buy one ticket that would combine both journeys, both ways. The present system of having to buy two tickets for two short VTA short journeys is also ridiculous.

Get your act together.


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Posted by Mac
a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on Jul 24, 2007 at 4:10 pm

Another example: look at the confusing mess that are the CalTrain ticket machines. Almost everyone I know had to have help figuring them out. Pity the first-time user who's in a hurry.


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Posted by LouisResident
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 25, 2007 at 6:39 am

Does the route include Louis Road ( Louis x E Meadow; Louis x Loma Verde; Louis x Colorado )


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Posted by $1.50 per bus ride for this?
a resident of Palo Verde
on Jul 25, 2007 at 7:28 am

"VTA's revised proposal would be a smaller community bus that would travel the entire Charleston/Arastradero corridor. A larger bus would take morning and afternoon trips down Louis Road to pick up and drop off Gunn High School students along the same route.

The revised 88 would also circle the new Campus for Jewish Life and San Antonio Shopping Center but would not head into downtown Palo Alto."

If you're taking the bus on louis during non-peak hours... too bad.


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Posted by Fuming VTA Rider
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jul 25, 2007 at 8:39 am

I am a rider of a VTA line that is proposed to be cut. Although I don't have a residence in Palo Alto, I have been employed at the Veteran's hospital in Palo Alto for 20 years. I and about 50-60 others ride the 104 Express from the North San Jose/Milpitas area to Palo Alto.

We had about 40 riders who were able to attend one of the COA meetings May 21 at the Great Mall in Milpitas. We heard the one & only concern of the VTA-- "fare box recovery". I did not hear one word of concern for the VTA's customers. It seems that they are not caring about the people who take this bus line to work and back home every day. It means nothing to VTA that we purchase monthly express passes at the cost of $122.50. And how about the other riders whose companies purchase the VTA Echo pass. I don't understand why these are not taken into consideration in their "fare box recovery"!!

I composed a letter to the COA recently. The response I received was not positive at all. Once again it covered the same issue of "Fare box recovery"!! I still want to know VTA--what about the money we pay every month for these passes? (I'm fuming!!!!)

I am speaking for many people who work not only at the VA Hospital but people who work at HP, Varian, Stanford Blood Center, and CBI. And don't forget the students,elderly,disabled and Veterans who ride into Palo Alto weekly.

We currently have 3 routes to and from work. We are only asking that the VTA keep at least 1 of the routes to get to work and home. There is no good alternative route if they cut this line. The routes that VTA suggested means heading in the opposite direction that you work and changing buses (3 xs) and light rail (2 xs) it's just nuts!

If VTA does not keep at least one 104 express route...that is 50-60 more vehicles coming into Palo Alto every day. That means more traffic, more pollution, and more noise for this city that is my second home. I not only work here...but shop, eat and play here too!

The VTA is not listening....who will?


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 25, 2007 at 11:34 am

What the VTA should be doing is actively advertising and promoting its services rather than dropping service. Many people I know would use public transport if they knew about it. Many people would use the service if they could get to use two short journeys for one price, could buy each way tickets, could get family tickets, etc. etc.

My kids wanted to get to raging waters by themselves, it was too impossible. We should be able to get all over the Bay area by public transport, on one ticket, and be able to find out how to on one web site. All the transit authorities should be linked and helping people, rather than making it more difficult. I have no idea how to get to either SFO or San Jose airports by public transport, but this service should be advertised and made easy for residents. We often have out of town guests who would like to get to places of interest in the valley by public transport, but can't work it out.

These things should be sorted out. If mass transit is to be used it has to be made easy. Advertise what you can do and don't keep dropping service.


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Posted by Bus rider
a resident of South of Midtown
on Jul 25, 2007 at 12:04 pm

Supposedly our Santa Clara County tax assessment, plus a portion of sales tax goes to support public transportation in Santa Clara County. North Santa Clara County is being short changed while all the money goes for BART to San Jose. If another tax hike comes on the ballot for transportation vote NO.


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Posted by Better transit
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 25, 2007 at 2:09 pm

here are the February VTA Board minutes
Web Link

note that the time it took to discuss everything on the agenda was about 90 minutes

note the bureacratic maneuvering

note abstract comments made

note no public input (probably no bus service to the board meeting location)...pun...the real reason is that most people who take the bus don't drive, and work during the day - how convenient

note the propsed spends on HIGHWAY improvements!!

note the talk about noise abatement - that's OK, but we have bigger fish to fry, like buses on time, etc. etc.

note that comments from the board indicate a concern for riders, but that almost NEVER gets translated into effective action

note that VTA runs most of the time on "automatic" -

note how POORLY we compare with Europe when it comes to inter- and intra-municipal mass transit.


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Jul 25, 2007 at 2:25 pm

It is worth noting that our mayor mentioned global warming and the need to use shuttles and walk as transportation added to emissions. She was also keen on reducing noise with rubberized asphalt and the use of GPS for (?).

Nuff said.


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Posted by Fuming VTA Rider
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jul 26, 2007 at 9:09 am

I am happy to report that VTA has published a revised schedule for January 2008. The 104 Express will continue without any changes to the schedule. I guess someone is listening afterall!!


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Posted by GetYourFactsStraight
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Jul 26, 2007 at 9:29 pm

BetterTransit has posted a link to the minutes of the Policy Advisory Committee and advertised them as minutes of a Board meeting. I am not saying that VTA is perfect, but I think that you should understand the organization before you start leveling such criticism. You are blaming people who are not in charge!


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Posted by Fuming VTA Rider
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jul 27, 2007 at 12:18 pm

Who is in charge? I addressed my issues to the COA board...who is part of the VTA. They are the personnel who are making these changes. I don't believe I was out of line, at all.

Thank you


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