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Original post made by Gary, Downtown North, on Apr 6, 2012

I am bringing up a very old topic. Call is cosmology, religion, god, physics.

I am compeltely unsatisfied by the "why not" answer. The "because it is" is a non-answer.

All of our currently understood laws of physics say that something cannot transform from nothing. What am I missing?

Is there a god?

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Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on Apr 6, 2012 at 6:25 pm

Actually, the answer is simple. We, humans, did not make the universe, so something else must have. Call it whatever name you want, but it's something beyond humanity.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 6, 2012 at 6:53 pm




The history of Western Civilization is the history of Christianity-- which is Ancient Greek philosophy and democracy plus Christian theology.

The pagans wilted.

Anti-Christians like Christopher Hitchens also wilted- -RIP.

C S Lewis, Tolkein---

and our local/ Stanford/ Palo Alto Renee Girard

Web Link

Made the case for Christianity--read what Girard writes-


The tragedy for Europe is that it now defines itself as a post Christian society-like the USSR.

Fortunately 88% of Americans define themselves as Christian and Christianity is booming in Asia and Africa.


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Posted by Kelt
a resident of Juana Briones School
on Apr 6, 2012 at 7:01 pm

"88% of Americans define themselves as Christian"

Geez, Sharon, ya think you'd learn. Once you make an absolute statement that's obviously false to most folks, it belittles everything else you say... though history shows you don't need a lot of help in that area.

Around 80% of Americans identify as religious, with Christians being in the >70% range.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 6, 2012 at 8:20 pm

My question is more fundamental than earthly religions and passions. If we cannot know what was before the big bang, if it happened, then how can we deduce the 'Why'? Is it all an illusion or delusion? A cosmic joke played by the godhead(s)? Does it matter at all, except as a human construct? The assumption, among physicists is that it just is, and that it, somehow, came from nothing. Doesn't make any sense to me, no matter how dimensions are employed.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 6, 2012 at 8:45 pm


Gary-

-Science was developed and taught by Christian Civilization building upon Greek philosophy.

Christians built the first Universities, Hospitals and Rules of Just War etc.

Catholics -
-the largest Christian group-
-believe in both faith and science and have no problem with the theories of big bang or evolution.

Evolution is a very intelligent design algorithm.

I do not see your point.

If you you not believe in Christianity-fine-your choice

Christopher Hitchens attacked Christianity -

-while believing in whiskey and Trotskyism-
-he gave the same drunken speech over and over again.

-who cares-- now that he is dead?


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Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on Apr 6, 2012 at 8:46 pm

As humans we can perceive a universe that we did not create. Thus we can ask what created it.

Why it was created and the nature of the creator may well beyond our ability to understand.

Lets start with the simple. The universe as we perceive it and what created it. If we find that answer, maybe we can ask more.


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Posted by Kelt
a resident of Juana Briones School
on Apr 6, 2012 at 9:10 pm

"Science was developed and taught by Christian Civilization building upon Greek philosophy"

Get a little more Euro-centric somehow?

I think not.

...there's none so blind as those who will not see...


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 6, 2012 at 9:24 pm

The thing that really bugs me is that, somehow, something was created from nothing.

How?

More importantly, why?


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 6, 2012 at 9:28 pm

Kelt

Please document any contribution to science other Western and Eastern Christian Civilization apart from the Indian numerical system.

Christianity invented the scientific method--no serious scientist doubts that fact


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Posted by Anon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Apr 6, 2012 at 11:36 pm

Something cannot come out of nothing

Therefore there must have been something before there was the universe, and that was probably the universe asleep, or unaware, or latent, for the shortest amount of time possible there was nothing only because there was nothing to perceive it, the unverse has a blind spot, a blind time


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Posted by Kelt
a resident of Juana Briones School
on Apr 7, 2012 at 2:43 am

You said science. Now you shift the to the scientific method.

Anything other parameters you wish to add? Or a shift to something different?

You already skipped the correction about your erroneous numbers earlier, without comment. I'll check back Monday.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 7, 2012 at 11:42 am

"the unverse has a blind spot, a blind time"

Wouldn't that "blind" universe still have energy and/or mass? If so, how was it created out of nothing? Or did 'god' create something(energy/mass) from nothing? Why?


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 7, 2012 at 5:09 pm

C S Lewis--

"The Dwarfs are for the Dwarfs."

"You see," said Aslan.

"They will not let us help them.

They have chosen cunning instead of belief.

Their prison is only in their own minds, yet they are in that prison; and so afraid of being taken in that they cannot be taken out."


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Posted by Resident
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 8, 2012 at 2:35 pm

Gary

Perhaps you should try asking God to show you the answer to these questions. Perhaps you should try reading the Bible, speaking with those who are believers, and opening your mind to the answers.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 8, 2012 at 6:34 pm

Resident,

Is there something short of 'god' to explain something coming from nothing?


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Posted by For Gary
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 12, 2012 at 11:42 pm

Santa Claus.

Perhaps you should stop bugging yourself because you can't understand something. Just accept the fact that there are millions of things you don't understand and this is one of them. Big deal. Our little human brains can't figure out much of our world. Or, you could lie to yourself as Resident suggests, to ease your mind, and say god did it.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 13, 2012 at 6:29 am

"you could lie to yourself as Resident suggests, to ease your mind, and say god did it."

Why would that be a lie?


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Posted by For Gary
a resident of Midtown
on Apr 14, 2012 at 7:58 pm

You claim you believe in the "laws" of physics, that "something" cannot come from nothing. But you seem to want to believe in a God that came from nowhere, for whom there is no evidence of its existence and who came from nowhere. Except that someone said so.
And tons of evidence that he does not exist, like tsunamis and wars and starvation and drought and plagues and infants with terrible illnesses and killing people only because they don't conform.
The imaginary god is supposed to be just and loving and merciful. Can you reconcile these repeated events with a notion of justice? or mercy? or any human value at all?
Yes, I think it is a terrible lie and millions of people have died for no reason at all, in the name of this lie.


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Posted by Gary
a resident of Downtown North
on Apr 14, 2012 at 9:38 pm

I said nothng about a god that gets involved, particularly, in human events. You did. You can defend your statement, should you care to do so.

I am interested in initial events...how did something come from nothing? Or is this all an illusion?


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