No more selling cars on El Camino Palo Alto Issues, posted by Editor, Palo Alto Online, on Jul 12, 2007 at 12:33 pm
A proposed law passed by the state Senate Monday and awaiting the signature of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger would increase enforcement of illegal private-party car sales on state roads, including El Camino Real in Palo Alto.
Posted by Gary, a resident of the Fairmeadow neighborhood, on Jul 12, 2007 at 1:04 pm
Yes! Yes! Finally!
El Camino is a disgrace, at certain spots. I used to have a view of Stanford. Now all I see is the revolving used car lot. I have also seen many near misses, as cars heading south on El Camino swerve to miss people who are either setting up their sale, or looking to buy.
This is a no brainer. The question I have is whether or not Palo Alto would actually enforce a state law? Or would this become a sanctuary city for the poor car sellers?
Posted by Resident, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood, on Jul 12, 2007 at 1:10 pm
Question, is it actually legal to park in this spot? If the cars are parked illegally, why don't they get tickets? If it is a legal free parking spot, does that mean that we can use this area for parking when we need to get into Paly or somewhere?
Posted by Tim, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Jul 12, 2007 at 2:28 pm
Long overdue! It has been a surprise that no one has been hurt or killed while "checking out" the autos for sell. I was driving up 19th Ave in San Francisco the other day and they had signs (the size of a parking sign every 75 feet), that said "any auto displaying a for sale sign would be towed".
Posted by bdaul, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Jul 12, 2007 at 4:45 pm
If we have such a law then the terrorist will have won...as usual. This country (the lawmakers) has nothing better to do than pass useless laws. How about impeachment for the prez and vp...now that is something I can get behind...on El Camino or anywhere!
Posted by Lawful Citizen, a resident of the Old Palo Alto neighborhood, on Jul 13, 2007 at 6:26 am
I really don't understand why these cars weren't already ticketed, as a lot of them are already in violation of PA Municipal Code...
"No person who owns or has possession, custody or control of any vehicle shall park or leave such vehicle standing upon any street or alley or public parking facility for a period of seventy-two consecutive hours or more. For the purposes of this section, a vehicle shall be considered to have been parked or left standing for seventy-two or more consecutive hours if it has remained inoperable or has not been moved at least five tenths of a mile or more during said seventy two hour period."
Posted by Eric, a resident of the South of Midtown neighborhood, on Jul 13, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Public safety hazard? The road is 3 lanes wide! Enforcing speed limits will do much more for public safety than restricting parking. I think people are using the "safety" concern as a red-herring for justifying what they don't want to look at.
Posted by Embarrassed, a resident of the Downtown North neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2007 at 7:49 am
It's about time! The area where these cars park is a nice section of El Camino. Seeing the sports fields always makes you want to look over. It's such an eyesore to have to see all those cars with for sale signs on them. When I have visitors from out of town and they see it, they always ask why the city allows such an eyesore to happen. If people want to be cheap and sell their junk, they should do it on Craiglist instead of dumping it on the side of the road where everyone has to look at it.
Posted by Tim, a resident of the Crescent Park neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2007 at 8:46 am
You could be right, but even bussiness like Target and Safeway are banning "for sale autos" in their parking lots because it is a eye sore and it takes up space. With places like Craigs List, there is reason to have these eye sores throughout the city. Maybe you would not mine using your street as a sales lot, but I'm sure your neighbors would.
Posted by Kumar, a resident of another community, on Jul 14, 2007 at 11:02 am
Who is fooling who? If these for sale cars are our biggest problem I would most certainly stand behind it. There are many other serious matters that need urgent attention, speeders, no insurance, expired tags which would alos indicate uninsured, etc. Not to mention other criminal activities.
Posted by Resident, a resident of the College Terrace neighborhood, on Jul 14, 2007 at 6:05 pm
To Lawful Citizen and others wondering why the city hasn't been enforcing the Palo Alto municipal code re 72 hours consecutive parking as a way to control the sale of cars in this section of El Camino:
** Don't leap to conclusions without reading the story at the top of this thread!! El Camino is a STATE highway and enforcement must be specifically delegated from the CHP to local law enforcement by the STATE legislature. Please read the original article before posting your comments -- just scroll up to the top of this thread and click on the link!!
** As for why cars were being towed today: It was because "Temporary No Parking" signs had been posted earlier this week, as is normal when big events are scheduled for the stadium. Obviously, some car owners hadn't seen the signs. Nothing to do with the "no used car sales" legislation (which hasn't been signed by the Governator yet).
** The article missed something important about parking on the Stanford University section of El Camino, however. It is true that most of the cars parked on the Stanford campus side of El Camino between Embarcadero and Churchill do have for sale signs on the weekends. But there's something else going on, especially in the section between Serra/Park Boulevard and Stanford Avenue during the week.
Astute observers will notice that many of the latter cars do NOT have for sale signs in the window. And they are not there overnight. They belong to people who work at Stanford University but don't want to pay to park on campus. So they arrive between 7 and 9 am and leave between 5 and 7 pm -- then they walk in to Escondido Village and take the Marguerite shuttle, or they get on their bikes and ride in. In other words, there are now dozens of people commuting to Stanford who are avoiding being counted by the hoses the county puts out inside campus boundaries to determine whether Stanford has met its "no net new commute trips" goal. Hmmm -- wouldn't that be an interesting story to cover?
Posted by Mayfield Child, a resident of the Green Acres neighborhood, on Jul 15, 2007 at 7:37 pm
In regards to the Palo Alto Flea Market................
Paly has their Flea Market once a month and charges the vendors a nominal fee for the parking lot usage for the day. The proceeds go towards the Music Department at Paly. It had been run for years and years by Paly Music Boosers,Phyllis Smith as head coordinator, who relenquished the reins a few years ago.
Yes, I saw the WHOLE El Camino strip bare of cars on Saturday. The crowd had just recently been let out as I was passing by and people were crossing the streets where they should not have been...traffic was backed up down El Camino to a crawl and standstill for quite sometime. Seems they did not have enough officers to control the masses...they looked terribly overworked with wrinkles on their faces and not smiling..............(my observation).