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Original post made by Ted Rudow III, MA on Jan 6, 2012





The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute reports that world military expenditures average between $900 billion and $1 trillion a year. Using the $1 trillion figure, that means an astronomical $2 million are spent worldwide on the military every minute! The U.S. military spends 42 percent of this.
A $30 billion, 10-year plan to provide clean water to the poor of the developing world would cost just 10 days of military spending. Eighteen days of military spending yearly could eradicate malnutrition worldwide. Experts believe that $200 million, or about three hours of military spending, could wipe out the diseases of diphtheria, whooping cough, tetanus, measles and polio, which together kill 4 million children every year.
Former U.S. president Dwight D. Eisenhower highlighted the wanton waste of war when he declared, "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron ... Is there no other way the world may live?"


Comments (52)

Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 6, 2012 at 12:34 pm

Wrong conclusion, Ted.

Here is the correct conclusion: For a mere $1T, the U.S. and the rest of the free world, are protected against Islmaist radicals, socialists and other crazies. It is a small price to pay for such large rewards.

If one wants to proetect the children of Africa, for example, simply legalize DDT in the anti-malaria fight, thus saving about two million of them per year (as well as a ton of wasted money on various 'green' failures). You want clean water? Simply install private proerty rights to farmers, along with soil conservation education and an enforcebale legal system (to prevent the upstream effects)...farmers are the stewards of their own lands.

There are just so many more non-authoritarian approaches to various problems, Ted. You appear to have swallowed the leftist bait, hook, line and sinker!


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jan 6, 2012 at 12:36 pm

And speaking of wanton waste, Gary is back with his "leftist" crap (we know, you were once a leftist, Gary--whoop de doo).


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 7, 2012 at 2:38 pm

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Sorry, svetoid, but Gary is on straight, especially with his comment on DDT. 2 million deaths per year - the price of liberalism.


Posted by waste creates profits, a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jan 7, 2012 at 3:04 pm

Wasted government spending creates profits for big corporations. Where would US defense contractors be without all this waste?


Posted by Pearl, a resident of Barron Park
on Jan 7, 2012 at 3:09 pm

What socialist country is threatening America?

"For a mere $1T, the U.S. and the rest of the free world, are protected against Islmaist radicals, socialists "


Posted by threats, a resident of Southgate
on Jan 7, 2012 at 3:11 pm

They are threatening with their fierce dragon new year postage stamp.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 8, 2012 at 6:40 pm

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Envy is our biggest enemy, and the only way to defeat envy is to join it. Those who envy us will be satisfied with nothing less than a U.S. reduced to third world standards.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 8, 2012 at 7:14 pm

"What socialist country is threatening America?"

China, Russia, Iran, N. Korea, Western Europe (socialist debt crisis, as well as a substantial failure to defend themselves militarily) come to mind. Our own internal socialist elements are also a threat to our freedoms...thus I suppose I should include the USA.

Oh, BTW, the two million dead kids per year in Africa (from the DDT ban agaisnt malaria, perpetrated by European and American "green" socialists) mounts up to a holocaust much worse than that of Hitler (another socialist). Mass murder, either direct or by neglect, seems to be a signature feature of the leftist mindset. As a former leftist, I am well aware of the mindset, and its psychological underpinnings.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 8, 2012 at 9:20 pm

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That DDT ban was a direct consequence of, not a scientific study [that found DDT harmless] but of a non-scientist administrator who just5 found it politic.


Posted by Francis, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Jan 9, 2012 at 8:46 am

Gary answers Pearl:

"What socialist country is threatening America?"

China, Russia, Iran, N. Korea, Western Europe..."

That's quite an alternate universe, with China, Russia, Iran, N. Korea and Western Europe all the same.

Or just some strange fantasy.


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jan 9, 2012 at 9:27 am

Francis--Gary is a self-proclaimed "former leftist", so he knows what he is talking about (not).
You are correct it is his strange fantasy.


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jan 9, 2012 at 1:45 pm

Now I understand why the republicans want to bring back DDT--they hate our national symbol, the bald eagle
(Web Link)
Not unexpected from these Al Qeida lovers.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 9, 2012 at 2:24 pm

Leftists never like to focus on their mass murder(s), either through direct action or neglect. However, some of us former leftists, perhaps out of shame, are left to stand witness.

The following link shows the face of the DDT ban in Africa.

Web Link

The malaria holocasut is owned by the left, not the right.


Posted by Francis, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Jan 9, 2012 at 2:30 pm

Nice to see Gary drop his other claims, like we need to bankrupt our country arming ourselves against the "socialist" aggressors in Western Europe.

And Iran is a socialist country.

And China is socialist (tho most consider it the odd combo that is a capitalistic communist dictatorship!)

and the odd claims go on and on...

"What socialist country is threatening America? China, Russia, Iran, N. Korea, Western Europe..."


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jan 9, 2012 at 2:32 pm

Leftists, leftists, leftists and "I was a former leftist"--the big talking points of "gary". Ignore him.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 9, 2012 at 2:57 pm

"Nice to see Gary drop his other claims"

Not at all. I fully stand with what I said. It's just that socialist promotion of mass murder needs to have a face to it. I just provided one (the African child suffering the effects of malaria).

The leftist promotion of 'revolutionary violence' or its various 'purification' regimens (e.g. the "green" campaigns, to include the malaria holocasut) need to be understood. And I am one, among many others, with the experience to do it.


Posted by Francis, a resident of Fairmeadow
on Jan 9, 2012 at 3:06 pm

Replying to the topic of this post, Gary claimed that we need to bankrupt America militarily to defend ourselves against "socialist" countries, such as "Western Europe."

Iran isn't socialist.

China is a communist dictatorship, not socialist.

Sorry, Gary, they're not socialists. Western Europe isn't going to attack, while we keep tens of thousands of troops in their countries. But if your only tool is a hammer, I guess everything looks like a nail, eh?


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jan 9, 2012 at 3:11 pm

Gary says:
"look at me. I am Gary from Downtown North. I used to be a leftist. I have personal experience with how evil "leftists" are because I used to be a leftist. Now I am Gary from Downtown North. All leftists are evil. I know because I used to be a leftist. Now I am Gary from Downtown North and I used to be a leftist.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 9, 2012 at 5:53 pm

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The United States is superior because our two characteristics, religion and capitalism, emphasize free choice and the right to fail. [or go to hell] The threats to us are those societies that have the RIGHT way or else.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 9, 2012 at 6:34 pm

Mao, Lenin/Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, etc. (and other variant Marxists) are/were socialist. So are/were the various 'labor/socialist' leaders of Western Europe. So is Obama and his ilk. So is Iran, although its god is Allah, not Marx.

In the end, socialism destroys individual human beings, either one at a time, or (more deadly) en masse. The malarial holocaust is just the most recent killing field. Note: I don't really expect any leftists to own up to their mass killings...they never do.

Leftist ideology is about liquidation of those who oppose collectivist instincts. Happily, Ronald Reagan put a stop to it for a while. Unfortunately, that instinct is lurking in the minds of those who think they are superior to other individuals, because they can form a collective of inferiors. Old Story.


Posted by Gary is a mass murderer, a resident of Palo Verde
on Jan 9, 2012 at 7:18 pm

Well gary, if leftists are guilty of mass murder and you were once a leftist, then you ate guilty of mass murder. Time to report to prison. I will be your intake officer and perform the needed searches.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 9, 2012 at 7:35 pm

"Well gary, if leftists are guilty of mass murder and you were once a leftist, then you ate guilty of mass murder"

There is some merit to that argument. I do feel shame for having been a leftist. However, I have been in recovery for several decades, if that matters.

It is probably more relevant to think about current leftists who are still committing mass murder and mass restriction of the individual. I am quite capable of understanding their twisted thinking. Thus, I offer my help.


Posted by Gary is a mass murderer, a resident of Palo Verde
on Jan 9, 2012 at 7:45 pm

Gary, there is no statute of limitations on murder.turn yourself in now.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 10, 2012 at 6:14 am

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One death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic.
Joseph Stalin


Posted by Hayward, a resident of Hoover School
on Jan 10, 2012 at 9:40 am

Funny thread. Gary wants to keep spending a trillion on the military to protect against-

"Mao, Lenin/Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, etc. (and other variant Marxists) are/were socialist. So are/were the various 'labor/socialist' leaders of Western Europe."

A bunch of dead guys. Oh, and as pointed out above, he wants a trillion dollar military to protect us from the imminent invasions from "the various 'labor/socialist' leaders of Western Europe."

Gary must love Santorum.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 10, 2012 at 1:16 pm

"A bunch of dead guys"

Their spawn is often worse than them. Lenin and Stalin were promoting mass murder and purification long after Marx was dead.

$1T per year, world wide, is not so much to defend against the spawn of the dead socialists and Islamists (e.g. OBL). Western Europe is a threat, because they are socialist AND demand that the USA take care of their military issues ("where are the Apaches?!" was their cry when the Balkans were blowing up...the proper question would be: "where are YOUR Apaches, Europe?!" Western Europe is also a threat because their socialist economies have failed (Greece, anyone?), and this collapse will drag down the USA with it. The socialists in the USA are a threat becasue they want to impose policies that will make us like Greece.

Hey, how 'bout them dead kids in Africa! DDT could have saved 'em, but that would have violated the green (leftist) agenda. Holocausts seem to be a favoite theme of socilists and their fellow travelers. The silence of the domestic leftists about such holocausts is louder than a siren.


Posted by Hayward, a resident of Hoover School
on Jan 10, 2012 at 1:30 pm

Poor Gary. Twisted in knots and desperate to change the topic from ridiculously high and dangerous levels of military spending to any other subject!

Oh Gary, please protect us from Lenin and Stalin!

If you don't like paying for dozens of bases in Europe, then shut them down, come home and tell NATO to add more to their budgets, if they need to (they don't.)

America spends more on military than the next top ten spenders combined.

We borrow from China to do it. Gary likes borrowing money from China for his military toys.

Ridiculous. We spend well over $400 billion a year.

Ted wrote: "A $30 billion, 10-year plan to provide clean water to the poor of the developing world would cost just 10 days of military spending. Eighteen days of military spending yearly could eradicate malnutrition worldwide. Experts believe that $200 million, or about three hours of military spending, could wipe out the diseases of diphtheria, whooping cough, tetanus, measles and polio, which together kill 4 million children every year. "


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jan 10, 2012 at 1:31 pm

"Hey, how 'bout them dead kids in Africa!"
Gary seems to be thrilled that there are dead kids in Africa. Of course we hear once again his nattering about how he used to be a leftist. Now that Obama has gotten rid of OBL and neutered Al Qeida, Gary finds a new boogeyman in "socialists" in Western Europe!!!
AS someone else pointed out, Gary by his own description, is guilty of mass murder. Why is he not in prison?????
Is there anything as ridiculous as Gary's posts (okay, "Sharon's posts are just as ridiculous--but there is a reason for that


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 10, 2012 at 2:29 pm

"Gary seems to be thrilled that there are dead kids in Africa."

Of course not. However, the lefties appear to be celebrating through their silence. Where ARE the leftists that support the use of DDT to save kids in Africa?

"We borrow from China to do it. Gary likes borrowing money from China for his military toys."

We borrow from China to do a lot of things, including funding many federal bureaucracies that prevent us from exploiting our natural resources...exploitation that could help prevent us from borrowing from China. The looming Chinese military threat is reason enough to INCREASE our military budget...that would be the humanitarian thing to do. However, I am not holding my breath waiting for lefties to do the humanitarian thing....




Posted by Hayward, a resident of Hoover School
on Jan 10, 2012 at 2:39 pm

"The looming Chinese military threat is reason enough to INCREASE our military budget"

They spend about what, maybe 10 percent of what the US spends?

Look out Gary! Lenin's after ya!


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jan 10, 2012 at 2:40 pm

"Of course not. However, the lefties appear to be celebrating through their silence. Where ARE the leftists that support the use of DDT to save kids in Africa?"
There is a big difference between a person such as yourself, who celebrates the death of African children so he can make bogus point. Then there is your claim that "leftists" are celebrating by being silent. Apples and oranges. I am sure that you will not find any "leftists" that are happy that children are dying anywhere. Your conclusions and analogies are so ridiculous, as your constant harping about "leftist". Typical crap from Al Qeida supporting ,right-wing Republicans,
Hayward mentioned a long list of diseases that could be dealt with with a fraction of the amount of money that you want to use to "fight" socialist Western Europe!!! Any comments on that?
Anyway, why should we listen to the rantings of a self-confessed mass murderer.


Posted by Hayward, a resident of Hoover School
on Jan 10, 2012 at 2:51 pm

S: "Hayward mentioned a long list of diseases that could be dealt with with a fraction of the amount of money"

Credit where due - that was Ted's list from the original post. Note that po' Gary is doing his best to steer clear of the original topic.

yo' Gary: We know yer not good with numbers, here's a bar chart to show you how the numbers work: Web Link


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 10, 2012 at 2:55 pm

"Then there is your claim that "leftists" are celebrating by being silent. Apples and oranges"

What else would you call it, but celebration? Lefties are extremely proud of having banned DDT...and they NEVER say a word about the dead kids in Africa. Mass death is not a concern to leftists, as long as their immediate agenda is fulfilled, and they can celebrate it.

"They spend about what, maybe 10 percent of what the US spends?"

China pays its people about one-tenth of what we pay our people. Why is it a surprise that China has the ability to threaten the USA militarily, going forward? Ask Japan, and other regional Asian nations, what they fear in the region. Even Obama recognizes the threat.


Posted by Hayward, a resident of Hoover School
on Jan 10, 2012 at 2:59 pm

"China pays its people about one-tenth of what we pay our people."

huh?

Military expenditures are mostly for hardware.

They spend a dollar. We spend $9.

Think we can keep up, even if we outspend at, say, a "paltry" 5-1, Gary?


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jan 10, 2012 at 3:09 pm

"What else would you call it, but celebration?"
You call it celebration because you have been caught up in the ugly web that you have spun. You are celebrating the death of African children in order to claim that it is the fault of "leftists" (your convenient scapegoat for everything). You seem to feel that all the people involved in banning DDT where "leftists"--how convenient. Why don't you address the point made by Ted regarding how much disease and death could be eliminated with a fraction of the budget you want to us to "protect" us from long dead people and "socialist" western europe. Let's be honest, Gary (the former leftist) you do not give a rat's ass for African children who died from malaria, they are just a pawn for you to use to bash those evil "leftists". And you should know, you used to be a leftist. What about all the children who die from diphtheria, whooping cough, tetanus, measles and polio--which could be dealt with a fraction of your military money. Not interested in those children, are we Gary (the former leftist)? So who is really celebrating mass death?


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 10, 2012 at 3:20 pm

"Military expenditures are mostly for hardware."

That hardware cost is mostly due to the labor involved in building it. The coming generation of Chinese aircraft carriers and rockets will not be bought from foreign sources...China will build it themselves (at about one-tenth the cost of Americans builidng the same thing).

It has always amazed me about how smart lefties think they are (I was one, once upon a time), when they are actually quite dumb...go figure. One needs to recover from the disease of leftism to grow a brain. That fact is worth celebrating!


Posted by Hayward, a resident of Hoover School
on Jan 10, 2012 at 3:48 pm

"The coming generation of Chinese aircraft carriers"

As opposed to OLDER generation of Chinese carriers!?!?!?!?!?

We have 7 carrier battle groups. Or are we at 8?

China finishes their FIRST carrier in a year or two?

Fear fear fear fear. That's all you know, isn't it Gary?

Look OUT!!! Lenin is coming, so we need to outspend China 9 - 1 !!!!

Fear, baby. Just fear.

So sad.

"It has always amazed me about how smart lefties think they are (I was one, once upon a time)" Yes, as Svatoid noted you would claim, yet again.

So sad.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 10, 2012 at 4:11 pm

"As opposed to OLDER generation of Chinese carriers!?!?!?!?!?

We have 7 carrier battle groups. Or are we at 8?"

This is a clear example of how ignorant lefties are. In this case, the example would be the British, in the '20s/mid '30s...after all, they had the Hood and they ruled the seas. Germany was prhobited from having anything. A certain socialist, with strong nationalist leanings, named Hitler, decided otherwise...it only took five salvos from the Bismark to send the Hood to the bottom (with all but three aboard). China could easily leapfrog the USA in terms of military power...only a dumb leftist could think otherwise.


Posted by Hayward, a resident of Hoover School
on Jan 10, 2012 at 4:15 pm

"As opposed to OLDER generation of Chinese carriers!?!?!?!?!?

We have 7 carrier battle groups. Or are we at 8?

This is a clear example of how ignorant lefties are....."

Can't answer, can ya? Change subject, resort to name calling, when the answer is a google click away.

You can always tell when a fringe rightie has totally lost it - they bring up Hitler!!

So sad.

So very sad.


Posted by Walter_E_Wallis, a resident of Midtown
on Jan 10, 2012 at 8:54 pm

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We have carrier battle groups to keep the war over there rather than here, where an isolationist policy would bring it.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 10, 2012 at 9:17 pm

"So sad.
So very sad."

What are you so sad about? BTW, are you a high school senior, or a college sophomore? Your knowledge of history suggests one or the other.


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jan 11, 2012 at 6:05 am

"What are you so sad about? BTW, are you a high school senior, or a college sophomore? Your knowledge of history suggests one or the other."
Looks like Gary (the former leftist) has run out of argument, so makes the above ridiculous statement. How about addressing the fact that a small portion of the military budget could be used to prevent deaths in children from diphtheria, whooping cough, tetanus, measles and polio. Of course Gary being a former leftist is not interested in those deaths. He just cynically wants to use malaria deaths to bash "leftists", because he is a former leftist.
It really is sad.


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 11, 2012 at 8:07 am

" How about addressing the fact that a small portion of the military budget could be used to prevent deaths in children from diphtheria, whooping cough, tetanus, measles and polio. "

I don't know if that is true or not, but, if true, the same amount of money can be taken from any discretional slice of the federal budget, for example, the EPA or the Dept. of education. If you are terribly committed to preventing deaths in such children, surely you would be for cutting the EPA and the D of Ed. Are you?

Now, if you want to have a major effect on children's health you would support the use of DDT against malaria. Do you?

The military budget should reflect current and future threats. It should not be seen as a source of money for various other causes.


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jan 11, 2012 at 8:15 am

"I don't know if that is true or not, but, if true, the same amount of money can be taken from any discretional slice of the federal budget, for example, the EPA or the Dept. of education. If you are terribly committed to preventing deaths in such children, surely you would be for cutting the EPA and the D of Ed. Are you?"
You are a real joke, Gary (the former leftist). Considering how bloated our defense budget is and how underfunded our D of Ed is, your comments are, as usual ridiculous.
You cynically use the deaths of children to further your right-wing arguments, which are laughable, even though you are a former leftist.

"Now, if you want to have a major effect on children's health you would support the use of DDT against malaria. Do you?"
So, the only reason you are harping on malaria and children is that in your twisted mind, you feel that "leftists" are responsible for this. You really do not care about children one way or another--they are just a tool for you to bash "leftists" with. Sad and pathetic.

"The military budget should reflect current and future threats. It should not be seen as a source of money for various other causes."
But the threats you are talking about are either dead (Stalin, Pol Pot etc) or non-existent (Western Europe).

How sad, indeed.


Posted by Hayward, a resident of Hoover School
on Jan 11, 2012 at 9:37 am

yo Gary, you can't look up the answer? So you keep up with the name calling... so sad.

Give you another chance:

"As opposed to OLDER generation of Chinese carriers!?!?!?!?!? We have 7 carrier battle groups. Or are we at 8? This is a clear example of how ignorant lefties are....."

Can't answer, can ya? Change subject, resort to name calling, when the answer is a google click away.

Or do you want to keep displaying "ignorance"?


Posted by choice, a resident of College Terrace
on Jan 11, 2012 at 9:48 am

You should be sent to c***ward,either in less evil pamf or Stanford medical f or hospital.


Posted by Hayward, a resident of Hoover School
on Jan 11, 2012 at 10:12 am

aiiigghhhttt, Gary, I looked it up for you.

According to Janes, we have 11 carriers, Italy has 2, no one else has more than 1.

China bought an old Russian carrier, stripped and abandoned in the Black Sea, a rusting hulk, for the (not) princely sum of $20 million US. They've refitted it.

Big Whoop.

So let's stay with the focus of this post: military spending.

Military expenditures - China spends a dollar - the US spends $9.

"Think we can keep up, even if we outspend China at, say, a "paltry" 5-1, Gary?"

Fear, fear, fear - Lenin's out to get ya!!


Posted by Gary, a resident of Downtown North
on Jan 11, 2012 at 12:12 pm

Am I reading the lefty funnies?

"China bought an old Russian carrier, stripped and abandoned in the Black Sea, a rusting hulk, for the (not) princely sum of $20 million US. They've refitted it.

Big Whoop."

China is on a tear to modernize its military. It will do its learning curve on the first carrier, then leafrog to ultramodern carriers with top-of-the-curve weaponry. Dah!

"You cynically use the deaths of children to further your right-wing arguments"

Nope. The true cynicism is on the left...they refuse to allow DDT to save the kids. Still waiting for an answer: Now that you are aware of the holocaust that your side caused, are you willing to own it? Then are you willing to come out in favor of DDT? Or are you going to stay silent about your holcaust(s), in a cynical play to push your agenda (the standard leftist strategy)?

"But the threats you are talking about are either dead"

Already answered that one. The lack of understanding of basic modern history by the lefties is truly comical. And ignorant.

"Considering how bloated our defense budget is and how underfunded our D of Ed is, your comments are, as usual ridiculous."

The D of Ed is completely bloated, and counterproductive to the education of American kids. Just eliminate it. Just give out educational vouchers, and allow parents to choose what is best for their own kids. Plenty of money savings there to help with the childhood diseases, if it is important enough to you. Is it?

Can I possibly get into a serious discussion with you lefties about defense spending? The funnies are nice, and amusing, but I prefer reality. Yawn....





Posted by Hayward, a resident of Hoover School
on Jan 11, 2012 at 12:30 pm

We have 11 carrier battle groups, more than the rest of the world combined, and all the experience and technology to be the best of the best.

Gary hates America and thinks that even when we outspend China 9-1, they will miraculously pass America.

""China bought an old Russian carrier, stripped and abandoned in the Black Sea, a rusting hulk, for the (not) princely sum of $20 million US. They've refitted it. Big Whoop."

From Gary: "China is on a tear to modernize its military...."

Such a tear - spending a thin dime to every one of our dollars.


Posted by Hayward, a resident of Hoover School
on Jan 11, 2012 at 12:37 pm

"The D of Ed is completely bloated, and counterproductive to the education of American kids. Just eliminate it. "

Another fringe rightie fantasy!!!

When out of power, the GOP "wants to eliminate it", then the GOP uses Gary and other sheep to get in power and then GROW the Dept of Ed, along with the rest of government!!!

Reagan promised Gary he'd eliminate it, but doubled it's size!

Bush did the same. Poor Gary.

Gary - the GOP is using you! Always has, and you let them! They promise you so much just to get your vote to get back in powere, but when in power they just do the opposite! They spend on their pals, double the debt (Bush) or triple it (Reagan), give billionaires tax cuts, etc..

They have Fox to lead the sheep, and you buy into it!

It must really hurt you deep down.

So sad.


Posted by choice, a resident of Barron Park
on Jan 11, 2012 at 12:40 pm

Back in 40's, the red army got nothing yet they beat you who had airplanes and machine guns.Same applies here, only now this time,they are more capable.Antidepressant pills are for sell.


Posted by svatoid, a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Jan 11, 2012 at 12:57 pm

"Can I possibly get into a serious discussion with you lefties about defense spending? The funnies are nice, and amusing, but I prefer reality. Yawn...."
Gary, the former leftist, is spinning so much he is dizzy. No wonder he thinks he is not having a serious discussion. Of cours e this is Gary's (the former leftist) tried and true technique in every thread when he has been shown up to be a fool--he claims that he is not having a "serious" discussion. A serious discussion, in Gary's mind, is to agree with him completely. But what can one expect from a former leftist and self-confessed mass murderer?


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