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Original post made by Flay, The Greenhouse, on Dec 9, 2011

Never mind that a small group of farmers get such an undue influence on the conservative choice to run against obama - that's a discussion for another day.

Newt Gingrich peaks at the right time, to be the man to take on Mitt Romney.

Gone are the shooting stars: Trump, Palin, Perry, Cain, Bachman.

The better choices never entered: Daniels, Christie, etc.. Who knows how they would have fared, anyway, but they chose to go for an easier race in 2016.

What on earth happened to give us only a choice between Romney and Gingrich?

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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Dec 9, 2011 at 8:25 am

Wow...I can't get past your highly "-ist" first sentence, claiming a "small group of farmers" blah blah blah. No sense of elitism here, is there? Without these farmers, we wouldn't eat.

Ignoring that, Christie and Daniels failed to get any steam because they are leftists in Repub clothing. We are sick of RINOs.

Vote the most fiscally conservative person you can in the primaries, then whoever wins, vote for him or her in an ABO vote. We must stop the enslavement of our children to the dreams of their fathers.


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Posted by svatoid
a resident of Charleston Gardens
on Dec 9, 2011 at 8:32 am

svatoid is a registered user.

"Ignoring that, Christie and Daniels failed to get any steam because they are leftists in Repub clothing."
There goes Gary, whoops, I mean Perspective with his "leftist" label.

"We are sick of RINOs."
Who is we, Sharon, whoops I mean Perspective.

Unfortunately all of the republicans have pledged allegiance to Grover Norquist, instead of the USA. These are the same republicans who relentlessly bash Obama, while being sorry that he got Osama Bin Laden. A fine bunch.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 9, 2011 at 2:16 pm

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Dang it, svetoid, just when you were coming around...


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Posted by Garnett
a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
on Dec 12, 2011 at 11:29 am

It's getting a bit tighter as Iowa approaches and the stress is getting to the two top dogs: Mitt calls Newt on lobbying for Freddie, and Newt calls Mitt on ruining American's jobs.

"Mitt Romney on Monday aggressively criticized rival Newt Gingrich and called on him to return the estimated $1.6 million he received for providing strategic advice (ie.. LOBBYING) to Freddie Mac, the quasi-government agency that guarantees home mortgages." Web Link

Newt replied: "If Gov. Romney would give back all the money he's earned from bankrupting companies and laying off employees over the years at Bain, then I would be glad to listen to him," he told reporters in Londonderry. "But I bet you $10, not $10,000, that he won't take the offer."

Neither of these bozos is qualified to be President.

Who's next to rise up as the anti-Mitt? Huntsman?


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Dec 13, 2011 at 12:21 pm

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The job of president has only one qualification; getting elected. While Gingrich is eminently qualified in that respect NOW, it is almost a year before the election. Don't panic.


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Posted by Garnett
a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
on Dec 14, 2011 at 12:35 pm

Who said this today?

"He has been an extraordinarily unreliable leader in the conservative world — not 16 or 17 years ago but in the last two to three years," <CANDIDATE> said. "And even during the campaign, the number of times he has moved from one spot to another has been remarkable. I think he's shown a level of unreliability as a conservative leader today."

Yup. Guess who?

drum roll please....

Web Link

ding-ding-ding! You're a winner if your guess was opposite the conventional wisdom - it was Mitt calling Newt a flipflopper!

Pot, meet kettle.....


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Posted by Sung
a resident of Barron Park
on Dec 15, 2011 at 2:23 pm

Newt signed the NOM marriage pledge today. Yes, that's Newt the serial adulterer. I only have one question....

Did he have to sign it for each of his three marriages?

The flake can't honor a pledge to the woman he loves and promises fidelity to; how can we expect him to honor any other oath?


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Posted by Sung
a resident of Barron Park
on Dec 16, 2011 at 9:48 am

I can't believe that newt ever thought he was serious aboutt winning - turns out he's taking the weekend off.

Not even campaigning in Iowa.

Its all been just a grand book tour, just like Herman Cain.


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Posted by Garnett
a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
on Dec 17, 2011 at 2:59 pm

Omigawd - I thought you were kidding about Newt taking the weekend before the Iowa caucus's off!!

The only thing on Newt's schedule today, according to his own calendar is:

"Callista has a book signing at The Shops at Mount Vernon
Saturday, December 17 2011 - 2-4pm ET
Historic Mount Vernon
3200 Mount Vernon Memorial Highway
Mount Vernon, VA 22309"

Newt doesn't even return to Iowa until Monday! No ground game, Ron Paul breathing down his neck in Iowa polls, and he takes the day off.

Leroy Newton G - on the world's greatest tour - not to be president, but to sell books!!

Gotta support that Tiffany's habit somehow. Apparently $100 million in lobbying fees over the last decade ain't enough!


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Posted by Sung
a resident of Barron Park
on Dec 19, 2011 at 9:27 am

Newt calls for arresting judges.

Hands Iowa to Ron Paul.

Newt, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, goes back on his book tour.


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Posted by Garnett
a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
on Dec 19, 2011 at 12:32 pm

Poor Herman Cain cries about the lib media who forced him to pull out. Really? Lib Media, oddly owned by some of our largest corporations. Who knew the corporations are libs?

"Former Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain told a conference call of tea party activists on Sunday night that it was the liberal media that forced him out of the 2012 presidential race.

"I am as broken hearted as others about having to pull out," Cain said, "but I couldn't continue to try and run a race when you have a liberal media and others who did not want to see me succeed and to see us succeed — constantly fighting false accusations.""

In other news, despite allegations to the contrary, Herman Cain claims to have "pulled out."


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Dec 21, 2011 at 8:22 am

Thomas Sowell says it very, very well.

Read on, folks. Why yes for Newt, warts and all? Why anyone but Romney for us conservatives? Read on, read on.

Web Link


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Posted by B Street
a resident of Palo Alto Orchards
on Dec 21, 2011 at 9:29 am

What a joke, perspective!

The money line from your quote: "What the media call Gingrich's "baggage" concerns largely his personal life and the fact that he made a lot of money running a consulting firm after he left Congress."

Baggage is just personal? How dumb is that?

Yo, Sowell, how about the reason the "Speaker" was no longer speaker of the house?

Newt's as dirty a politician as it gets! That's the baggage! It isn't that he divorced his first of three wives while she was in the hospital with cancer. It isn't the half million dollar Tiffany line of credit for his bling. It isn't that he lobbied for Freddie Mac and made millions doing so. It isn't that Newt called for impeachment for Clinton's "indiscretions" while Newt was also cheating on his 2nd wife. It isn't the fact Newt shut down the government because he was throwing a snit over an inferior seating assignment on Air force One, which he later admitted was his own tantrum.

It's the fact that Leroy Newton is DIRTY.

"Eighty-four ethics charges were filed against Speaker Gingrich during his term. After extensive investigation and negotiation by the House Ethics Committee, Gingrich was sanctioned US$300,000 by a 395-28 House vote. It was the first time in history a speaker was disciplined for ethical wrongdoing."

395-28

Ya can't get 395 members to agree the sun rises in the east.

But ya got 395 that agreed that Newt's dirty.



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Posted by B St
a resident of Palo Alto Orchards
on Dec 21, 2011 at 9:40 am

So Newt's toast - and the way that John Boehner is playing things, Obama's a sure thing to be reelected anyway; from today's Wall St Journal:

"GOP Senate leader Mitch McConnell famously said a year ago that his main task in the 112th Congress was to make sure that President Obama would not be re-elected. Given how he and House Speaker John Boehner have handled the payroll tax debate, we wonder if they might end up re-electing the President before the 2012 campaign even begins in earnest.

The GOP leaders have somehow managed the remarkable feat of being blamed for opposing a one-year extension of a tax holiday that they are surely going to pass. This is no easy double play."

Web Link


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Posted by B St
a resident of Palo Alto Orchards
on Dec 26, 2011 at 4:58 pm

Yup, more Newt lies come to light, this one about his classic first divorce story:

"Newly recovered court files cast doubt on Gingrich version of first divorce"

"Newt Gingrich claims that it was his first wife, not Gingrich himself, who wanted their divorce in 1980, but court documents obtained by CNN appear to show otherwise." Web Link

What a slimeball. Takes a vow for life, cheats all over town, breaks the vow and then blames the former wife with cancer. We're supposed to trust this guy?

But Perspective loves slimeballs, I guess.


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Posted by Garnett
a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
on Dec 27, 2011 at 10:05 am

Newt was never serious, only using fools like certain supporters above (ahem) and the media to sell more books and raise his future speaking fees.

Why else would he have failed to successful get on the ballot in Virginia and Ohio? Getting ON a ballot is the most basic function of a campaign, and then "po' little newtie" compares it to Pearl Harbor!!!

Either he wasn't serious, or Newt IS A MASSIVE FAILURE (or moron) AS A POLITICIAN.

After reading about his Pearl harbor comment, I'm leading towards moron.

" "Newt and I agreed that the analogy is December 1941: We have experienced an unexpected set-back, but we will re-group and re-focus with increased determination, commitment and positive action. Throughout the next months there will be ups and downs; there will be successes and failures; there will be easy victories and difficult days – but in the end we will stand victorious."

So that's Gingrich comparing his inability to get his act together in his home state with the attack on Pearl Harbor that killed 2,402 Americans." Web Link

And it turns out Newtie turned in a bunch of fraudulent signatures, as well! The new GOP anti-voter laws made most of Newties sigs invalid!!

Definitely a moron.

Perspective: swallow hard and put up a lawn sign for ol' flipflopping Mitt!


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Dec 28, 2011 at 7:49 am

B Street: Your hero, Bill Clinton, taught me that "personal is personal". Just learning from the libs.

Don't care what someone has done in their personal lives, if they can reign in our govt, and set our economic engine free to roar back whilst defending our borders and foreign interests.


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Posted by Garnett
a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
on Dec 28, 2011 at 10:54 am

Perspective non-sequiter's Clinton, totally randomly as a post in an Iowa thread (are things really THAT bad in the gop primary?!?!?)

Funny thing about his next line: "Don't care what someone has done in their personal lives, if they can reign in our govt, and set our economic engine free to roar back whilst defending our borders and foreign interests."

Of the presidents in the last 30 years, only Clinton has done what Pers falsely claims the GOP does: Clinton cut government, kept us out of wars and built a ROARING ECONOMY that created 23 million jobs. Bush I, Bush II and Reagan all massively increased our debt and the size of government.

Reagan, for example, doubled the size of the Dept of Education while vowing to eliminate it, raised taxes at least 7 times, including the largest tax INCREASE on the middle class ever, and tripled the national debt.

Bush II left office bleeding 800,000 jobs a month.

Thanks, Perspective, for pointing out the failures of the GOP.

I'll look for your flipflopping Mitt/2012 lawn sign.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Meadow Park
on Dec 29, 2011 at 6:04 am

Comments like the one above reveal tremendous lack of understanding of the role of Congress in our DC govt. There is a presumption that our President is King and acts in a vacuum ( understandable, given especially the last year of this POTUS who has made it abundantly clear he will go around Congress at every opportunity and does)

Pity..we really should have a basic government literacy test to be allowed to vote. For example...who knows which branch of our govt is responsible for initiating budgets? Who knows which branch(es) can black them? Who knows how long it has been that we have been without a budget in DC?

Flip-flopping: Yup, flip-flopping seems to be the name of the game in DC now, doesn't it? Who can list the number of flips from Obama "the Senator" then Obama "the Candidate" to "Obama the President Year 1, year 2, year 3"?

Problem with being an Obama supporter at this point is the tremendous cognitive dissidence that has to come from pointing out the splinters in ANY of the Repub candidates while trying valiantly to ignore the logs in Obama's.



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Posted by Garnett
a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
on Dec 29, 2011 at 10:15 am

po' po' perspective! Twisting himself in knots! "Comments like the one above reveal tremendous lack of understanding of the role of Congress in our DC govt."

Clinton balanced the budget and left a surplus while creating 23 million jobs.

Bush, had the same GOP House for his first 6 years, took that surplus and ran debt as far as the eye could see, while destroying our economy, with the final tally being job losses of 800,000 jobs per month.

It wasn't the GOP House, Perspective. They couldn't do ANYTHING right with a republican president! They could have passed a line item veto like they promised - nope! They could have put up a balanced budget amendment, using the model of the great Bill Clinton - nope!

po' po' Perspective. Let's just return to the Clinton era of tax and spend in a sustainable balanced manner. As opposed to the Bush/Obama "borrow and spend" unsustainable ways. Clinton tax structure, Clinton spending levels.

Return to the great Clinton economy, the best job creation engine in decades. Budgets with a surplus.

Good times.


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Posted by Sung
a resident of Barron Park
on Dec 29, 2011 at 6:24 pm

WPhilly .com article - "Santorum surges from behind"

Is the writer the only one who hasn't googled "santorum"?????

Quite the frothy pun....


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Posted by Garnett
a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
on Dec 30, 2011 at 10:16 am

Matt Romney, apparently the designated birther in the family so they can appeal to the far fringe birther nut vote, yesterday, on releasing the Romney tax returns, like every major candidate does every time they run for president:

"And so I don't know the answer to that, I'm not sure if he (Mitt Romney) knows the answer to that. But he'll everything that he needs to. He's certainly not afraid of anything, not hiding anything -- you know, I heard someone suggest the other day that as soon as Obama releases his grades and birth certificate and sort of a long list of things then maybe he'd do it. " Web Link

Mitt's been running for 7 years. Time to release his tax returns, since running for president is his only job for most of a decade. His son is right, he needs to release them, and Obama needs to release his birth certificate....

Oh, right, Obama did.

The week he got bin Ladin.

This is the kid that Mitt claims has served his country because he helped daddy run for president years ago, instead of really serving his country.

Maybe that's why he's a birther, raised on the book of mo, silver spoon in his mouth, daddy running for president for most of a decade, but can't bother to read the newspaper:

www.usatoday.com/news/.../2011-04-27-obama-birth-certificate_n

Web Link

Maybe Matty Romney needs to get the rest of the family (Tigg, Tagg, Biff and Buffy, etc...) and gather around this pic:

Web Link


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Posted by Garnett
a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
on Dec 30, 2011 at 11:11 am

Oh, Mitt....

" "I am not going to be the technical divider of what's Wall Street or not. Wall Street is typically thought of as investment banking and banking and we were not an investment bank or a bank. But we were in the financial services sector generally," Romney said. "I am not a Wall Street guy, classically defined, but I am not going to quibble over definitions."

Then Willard Mitt Romney quibbles:

"I can tell you that I have run four different enterprises in my life. One was a consulting firm, one was a private equity and venture capital firm, one was an Olympics, and the other was a state."

Web Link

Mitt deleted all his emails from his governor days.

Release the tax returns, Mitt.


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Posted by Sung
a resident of Barron Park
on Dec 30, 2011 at 12:35 pm

Running for prez for almost a decade. And he still can't get a third of Iowa voters to like him.

Guess the 1/100th of a percent crowd loves him, because he "belongs".


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Posted by Big Cat
a resident of Portola Valley
on Dec 30, 2011 at 4:47 pm

Romney's a joke. Bends to what ever the polls say. Back in the nineties, he polled abortion and took a choice position because the polls told him to...

What a lowlife.

"When he challenged Ted Kennedy in the 1994 U.S. Senate race, Mitt Romney used polling data to determine that he would run as a pro-choice candidate while remaining personally pro-life, according to a new book by Boston journalist Ronald Scott.

The Washington Examiner revealed the moment in Scott's book:

According to Scott, Romney revealed that polling from Richard Wirthlin, Ronald Reagan's former pollster whom Romney had hired for the '94 campaign, showed it would be impossible for a pro-life candidate to win statewide office in Massachusetts. In light of that, Romney decided to run as a pro-choice candidate, pledging to support Roe v. Wade...." Web Link


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Posted by Big Cat
a resident of Portola Valley
on Dec 31, 2011 at 4:54 pm

I posted this in the other forum; I was actually stunned putting it together, the man is a mess.

* flips on abortion after reading polls - 'I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.'

* flips on gay marriage - flip flops on DADT, calls himself better on "the gay" than Ted Kennedy

* flips on cap gains -'I believe the tax on capital gains should be zero.' - 'It's a tax cut for fat cats.'

* flips on stem cell - 'I will work and fight for stem cell research.'

* flips on minimum wage - 'I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation.'

* flips on climate change - 'I believe the world is getting warmer, and I believe that humans have contributed to that.'

* flips on Stimulus - 'The all-Democrat stimulus that was passed in early 2009 will accelerate the timing of the start of the recovery...'

* flips on Bin Ladin - 'It's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.'

* flips on mandates - 'I like mandates. The mandates work.'

* flips on his own RomneyObamaCare - 'We were unable to deal with... health care costs in Massachusetts.'

* we can go all day on Romney care -'If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be a model for the nation.' 'What works in one state may not be the answer for another.'

* flips on immigration - 'Those... paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process toward application for citizenship.'

* flips on the Reagan - 'I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.'

* flips on Social Security - 'I'm not in favor of privatizing Social Security or making cuts.'

* flips on his "ideology"' - 'Relative to the leading candidates, some people see me as being more conservative.' - 'I'm not the most conservative candidate.'

* flips on TARP - 'The TARP program... was nevertheless necessary to keep banks from collapsing in a cascade of failures.'

* flips on cap n trade - 'These carbon emission limits will provide real and immediate progress.'

* flips on the auto bailout - 'I'm going to take burdens off the back of the auto industry.'

* flips on gun control - 'I supported the assault weapon ban.'

* more gun control - 'I don't line up with the NRA.' - 'I'm a member of the [NRA].'

* flips on Muslims - 'A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith.'

He can't even decide who he is - 'Any description of my being a hunter is an overstatement of capability.'. - 'I've been a hunter pretty much all my life.'

Or his own "memory" - 'I saw my father march with Martin Luther King.' 'I did not see it with my own eyes.'

Or his lack of service -'It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam.' -'I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there.'

Don't get me started on the dog he killed on top of his car - 'This is a completely airtight kennel mounted on the top of our car.'

Or his good Book that tells us about his alter ego on the Planet Kolob.

Who IS this guy?!!??!?!? I mean, other than an abomination to Conservative causes, that is.... Probably would appoint another Souter.


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Posted by nonsense
a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Dec 31, 2011 at 5:04 pm

I believe american people making those questions as election issues out of nonsense. A person such as Rommey can have choice as to not to answer any of them, cause it makes no sense and are of no concern to him.There are so many urgent meaningful things waiting this country's leaders to do other than those boring nonsense issues.It does not matter if he flipps it or not, cuz they are not important.


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Posted by Big Cat
a resident of Portola Valley
on Dec 31, 2011 at 5:24 pm

"There are so many urgent meaningful things waiting this country's leaders to do other than those boring nonsense issues.It does not matter if he flipps it or not, cuz they are not important."

Stimulus and the economy. Auto bailouts and jobs. National security - Bin Ladin. Gun control. Social Security. TARP. Climate change. Cap and trade. Healthcare.

Did you read the list? Care to make a meaningful list of more important issues?

I'll give you the easy answer - start with jobs, partially addressed by some of the above. After jobs, what issues are so obviously more important?

Besides, Romney's flipped on job issues - most of his job plan is tax cuts. He's flipped on taxes.

Romney is worse than McCain, another flipper - cap and trade, climate change, etc.. and McCain killed us in 2008.


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Posted by B Street
a resident of Palo Alto Orchards
on Jan 3, 2012 at 8:42 am

Seems "nonsense" thinks the issues listed are not important.

Partisan, much?

We all know a guy or gal like Romney - compulsive liar, saying anything to gain favor and be in the "in crowd". Only he's different, being so ridiculously wealthy.


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Posted by Garnett
a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
on Jan 4, 2012 at 10:50 am

Mitt spends five years and MILLIONS in Iowa just to get the same number of votes as last time.

Wow.

Beats Santorum by 6 votes.

Wow.

Santorum spends a million bucks. Mitt spends a frothy 18 million.

Wow.

18 million bucks to win by 6 votes to beat Santorum, who is a frothy mix of DC lobbyist, evangelical and failed Penn politician.

Wow.

Face it Mitt. The GOP doesn't like you. She's looking for someone else. Anyone else.

She's just not that into you.

Wow.


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Posted by Jeanette
a resident of Juana Briones School
on Jan 9, 2012 at 12:50 pm

I love this story in the paper today. Remember when McCain was talking about sitting around the kitchen table doing bills, and some asked him how many kitchen tables he owns?

I wonder if Mitt Romney knows how many kitchens he owns? John McCain didn't (they lost count after ten.)

Just a couple normal guys.

A 10 million dollar vacation home, in the first primary state. Another ten million dollar vacation home in La Jolla.

And it still can't buy conservative love.

"They're lambasting former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney as a liar, a flip-flopper, an establishment flunky who ripped off businesses and a perennial candidate for public office. And that's just what his Republican rivals running for president have to say.

But here in the "oldest summer resort in America," a placid hamlet of about 6,000 - 99.17 percent white - where he has a $10 million summer home on the shores of Lake Winnipesaukee, Romney might expect at least some shelter from the cold, cold winds of New Hampshire primary politics. Web Link "


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Posted by Central
a resident of Crescent Park
on Jan 10, 2012 at 10:19 am

Predictions for NH tonight -

Huntsman makes it close for 2nd with whacko Ron Paul. Paul supporters remain oblivious.

Buddy Roemer triples Perry's vote; Buddy still not invited to SC debate.

Gingrich stumbles badly, but old men do that a lot.

Santorum slips on a frothy oil slick.

Romney wins, but far less than the 40% he should get since he lives in the darn state and has been running there for the last 7 years.

But still gives his amber waves speech...

"Oh beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of grain---I don't suppose your fine dairy, granite or forestry-related products in New Hampshire count as amber waves of grain in the literal sense I've just taken the time to describe, do they? Well, tonight they do, ladies and gentlemenů" "

Maybe when Mittens hits the trail in SC, he can explain his federal bailout that made him a cool ten million bucks...

"Mitt Romney's rescue of a business consulting firm was achieved in part by convincing the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. to forgive roughly $10 million of the company's debts, according to sources close to the deal and federal records obtained by The Boston Globe."

Maybe that's how he paid for his 10 million dollar "vacation" home in New Hampshire Jeanette told us about.

Ol' Mittens loves to fire people, doesn't he?


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