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Glenn Beck's DC Rally

Original post made by Paul Losch, a resident of Palo Alto, on Aug 28, 2010

Many pundits have and will weigh in on this event.

What I find disingenuous about it is that it took place on the same day of MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech.

Beck made excuses about his very busy schedule, he did not know about the coincidence, but stuck to the date.

This guy lacks dignity. It is perfectly fine for him to have his minions on the Mall for an event. If he had any class, he would have changed the date, instead of having it take place on this day.

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Posted by Walter, walter, walter
a resident of Stanford
on Aug 28, 2010 at 2:58 pm

Beck is a showman--out for the money. He is extremely wealthy and only cares for those below him so long as they spend their money on his drivel.
If he had any ethics or character he would run for public office and make the changes he claims are needed. instaed he is only interested in dividing the country and fattening his wallet.
If people buy his drivelm that is their choice, but most people realize that he is a brother to Rush Limbaugh--abother bloated self-fighteous windbag who care little for the country.
His claim that he did not know that today was the anniversary of the "I Have a Dream" speech are a lie.
BTW, I understand that tens of thousands of people at the rally--but do not worry but by monday his minions will be claiming that there were millions


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Posted by Tea Party rhymes with bigotry
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Aug 28, 2010 at 6:40 pm

If he was trying to show the nation that the Tea Party is not racist, he failed epically.


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Posted by Outside Observer
a resident of another community
on Aug 28, 2010 at 6:48 pm

Beck's been advertising this rally for almost a year.

It's only in the last few weeks that the MLK speech date came out.

My question is not for Beck, but why didn't Al Sharpton book the Lincoln Monument for his event? If anyone should have known the MLK date, it should have been Sharpton.




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Posted by Please give me Beck's America
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Aug 28, 2010 at 6:57 pm

From the Politico's report on this:

"Joe Kurstin, 26, and Laura Fuchs, 25, braved the crowds, sporting navy-blue Obama '08 shirts, buttons and stickers.

But aside from the whispers and strange looks, the only comment they heard from a Beck supporter was this: "I'll pray for you."


Read more: Web Link

Ok...that is all you really need to know about hundreds of thousands, if not a million, Tea Party folks and their reaction to the lone 2 folks with Obama shirts on. Before you yell about how "it wasn't a million"..why was it "800,000" with much less "fill" in the Mall for, um..let's say the Million Man March, or about 1.2 million for Obama's Inaug with about the same fill?

Doesn't matter, though. Bottom line, most of us are sick to our stomach over what has happened to our country...and we are going to take it back.

Now, imagine 2 lone folks with Bush shirts on at any left wing rally...let's say a Greenpeace rally...with a million of Greenpeace supporters.

If this be the civilization of Beck's America, it is the kind of America I want.


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Posted by Please give me Beck's America
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Aug 28, 2010 at 7:00 pm

Um...aren't you the same guy who thinks that a Ground Zero Mosque is NOT classless and tasteless? You have no room to stand on..sorry.

Also, please note, MLKs niece not only strongly supported it, but spoke at it.

And, please note, Sharpton held a "counter rally" a few blocks away..got 300 people.

Last, anyone at any time in the last 40 years could have held an MLK memorial day at the Mall in honor of his Dream speech...but hasn't.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 28, 2010 at 9:58 pm

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

There are 365.25 days in the year, and something memorable happened on each of those days. It is beyond fatuous to suggest that any of those days is off limits to any other function. Of course we know the real reason for this phony outrage is to tar the Tea Party with the ludicrous claim of racist. Nothing scares the boodler more than an aroused public.


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Posted by Speak My Mind
a resident of Stanford
on Aug 29, 2010 at 12:21 am

The SPECIAL OPERATIONS WARRIOR FOUNDATION, the RESTORING HONOR event is to celebrate AMERICA by honoring its heroes, AMERICAN heritage and AMERCA's future. And you have a problem with this?

This non-political event will pay tribute to service personnel and other citizens who embody AMERICA's founding principles of integrity, truth and honor.

Would you rather something different? 13 trillion in debt will harm you and your great grand children and that most certainly lacks diginity. Wake up and smell the obvious.


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Posted by Walter walter walter
a resident of Stanford
on Aug 29, 2010 at 10:26 am

"but why didn't Al Sharpton book the Lincoln Monument for his event?"
Maybe Sharpton and others felt it would be in poor taste to have any kind of rally at that site on the anniversary of one of the greatest moments in history. Beck, who is out for money, does not care.

"...and we are going to take it back."
Take it back from whom? I find it interesting that people convey their disapproval of the current government with terms that make it sound like we are occupied by a foreign power. I though the people in power now are all Americans.

"Um...aren't you the same guy who thinks that a Ground Zero Mosque is NOT classless and tasteless?"
What ground zero mosque--there is no mosque at Ground Zero. There will be an ISlamic center a couple of blocks away and oh, btw, there have been mosques in that area well before 9/11. Once again we have the use of inflammatory terms which basically are not truthful being used.

"It is beyond fatuous to suggest that any of those days is off limits to any other function. Of course we know the real reason for this phony outrage is to tar the Tea Party with the ludicrous claim of racist."
I think we would all agree that certain events are off limits--how about a party at ground zero on 9/11? One only has to hear your defense of the tea party (and of course be familiar with your typical neo-fascist rants) to know that they are racist.

"the RESTORING HONOR event is to celebrate AMERICA by honoring its heroes, AMERICAN heritage and AMERCA's future"
Which heroes were honored yesterday at the event? You clearlyhave no clue about "AMerican Heritage".


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Posted by Speak My Mind
a resident of Stanford
on Aug 29, 2010 at 11:42 am

.....Which heroes were honored yesterday at the event?
The Dead, who have died for us all.


What Beck has done is very simple he has stepped in where the US Government has failed.

This event yesterday did one thing, help children of SOF fallen soldiers. Yet even with all your negativity and phony race baiting you are the ones that come up big on the loser list. Because again you are on the wrong side of the issue. And the very last group of people I would want to be on the wrong side of are the folks who know what honor means.

This event was to benefit the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. You may not know this group but The Special Operations Warrior Foundation provides full scholarship grants and educational and family counseling to the surviving children of special operations personnel who die in operational or training missions and immediate financial assistance to severely wounded special operations personnel and their families.

This event yesterday allowed Beck to raise more than 5,000,000.00 dollars for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. Now with more than 560 children fatherless 5 million won't go far and there is more to do. How about you help out and donate to their cause. That would be the honorable thing to do.


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Posted by VoxPop
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 30, 2010 at 8:51 am

Crowd estimate from a more reputable source: CBS News commissioned a crowd estimate by the company AirPhotosLive.com. The network reported that AirPhotosLive estimated the crowd at 87,000 people. But they noted that with a margin of error of 9,000, "between 78,000 and 96,000 attended the rally."


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Posted by gg
a resident of College Terrace
on Aug 30, 2010 at 10:24 am

Sorry Paul, but your outrage that Beck picked the wrong date makes no sense to me. I'm not that religious and this rally sounded too religious for me. But Beck is respectful of King's dream and he embraced the day and the memory. It's our crazy politicians who want to keep dividing us up more and more into special groups. King's granddaughter was there with a very powerful message and yet I don't see any mention of that in the local news.

There is no permanent memorial to Beck at that site (Lincoln Memorial). But the reason the so-called "ground zero mosque" is controversial is that it will be not only be permanent but also huge. If, like the Beck rally, just a rally for one day was held there at the ground zero site, then there would be no controversy.

It's just boggles the mind how Beck is seen in such a poor light for a one day rally but the so-called "ground zero mosque" is elevated to a sacred status and that if it is not built than it will mean we are too prejudiced. Of course it is right to build the mosque but just move it a few more blocks away.


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Posted by Walter walter walter
a resident of Stanford
on Aug 30, 2010 at 11:15 am

gg--so how many blocks away from Ground Zero will be okay with you? What about the others that are rallying against the islamic center--how many blocks away will satisfy them. What about the mosques that are already near the ground zero site--should they move? What about the fast food restaurants and porno stores near ground zero?
Are there any churches near the OKC bombing site? How many blocks away are they? Obviously since a christian blew up the OKC building, we should not have any churches near that either.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Aug 30, 2010 at 12:29 pm

How come no one pro-Beck has mentioned what a religious zealot he is? He wants to erase the separation between church & state. That's a big no no. He can perhaps just move to The Vatican or Poland if he wants to live w/out that crucial separation.

As for MLK's niece, what's so special about her? She's just related to the man, she isn't him. She's an anti-abortion activist, working to erode reproductive rights.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 30, 2010 at 1:01 pm


Beck made the point that Western Civilization is built upon Christian values, which is accurate. MLK appealed to the same Christian values in a similar way

The Constitution supports freedom of practice of any denomination.

As 86%+ of the US defines themselves as Christian and Beck was making a non partisan point and a call for renewal of common American values.

NYT
"In a sense, Beck's "Restoring Honor" was like an Obama rally through the looking glass. It was a long festival of affirmation for middle-class white Christians — square, earnest, patriotic and religious. If a speaker had suddenly burst out with an Obama-esque "we are the ones we've been waiting for," the message would have fit right in.

But whereas Obama wouldn't have been Obama if he weren't running for president, Beck's packed, three-hour jamboree was floated entirely on patriotism and piety, with no "get thee to a voting booth" message. It blessed a particular way of life without burdening that blessing with the compromises of a campaign, or the disillusioning work of governance. " Web Link

Sounds like it was a great success, no violence and everyone cleaned up after themselves.

We do not understand what all the rancor about the event is about.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Aug 30, 2010 at 2:36 pm

My point remains that Beck doesn't want to honor the separation of church & state. The values this country was founded on were values that came about during The Enlightenment, when scientific discoveries and philosophical debate was about logic & reason, not religion. It was a set of common values, including increasing questioning of religious orthodoxy. So if that's what Beck is wanting to go back to, I'm all for that. But that's not what he wants & we all know that.

It's a bit disingenuous to say that western civilization was founded on Christian values, in that it was founded on that & more. What matter to the US is that the US was founded by those greatly influenced by The Enlightenment, hence the resulting separation of church & state & the right to religious freedom.

Sharon, your demographics are wrong - it's a total of 76% of adults who claim Christianity in the US.


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Posted by Speak My Mind
a resident of Stanford
on Aug 30, 2010 at 2:48 pm

........ As for MLK's niece, what's so special about her?

She has an opinion, believes in her faith and has a point of view just like you. You may not be interested in what she has to say but I am. Also you may not know but, MLK III was at both events and said " Glenn Beck gave great honor to my father"
I am interested in his opinions as well. These people can come to my house to speak & dine anytime.

So what seems to be the problem? This event was to Honor Americans and Honor of the Dead in the cause of Liberty and Honor MLK Jr. and his message. Money was raised for a specific and very worthy cause. The gathering was peaceful and looks to me all that attended had a good time.
What could be more American?


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Aug 30, 2010 at 3:13 pm

What could be more American? Honoring the separation of church & state. Not following a religious zealot. Pretty simple.


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Posted by FullCircle
a resident of another community
on Aug 30, 2010 at 4:03 pm

"...and we are going to take it back."

That's Teaspeak for take America back from Martin Luther King and "his kind" (read Barack Obama), starting with the Lincoln Memorial. The backlash that began in 1963 feels it has achieved its Lexington Green moment.


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Posted by gg
a resident of College Terrace
on Aug 30, 2010 at 4:33 pm

To walter, walter, you missed my point. Paul is denouncing Beck for holding the rally on that day and at that location. My point is that Paul has one standard for Beck and a different one for another controversy, the so-called ground zero mosque. Beck held a peaceful rally and there is no permanent shrine. Whether you agree with him or not, what is wrong with that?

As for the so-called ground zero mosque, why not move it to the location where there is one that is five blocks away? Expand that one and include a community center there. The problem with the current location is that it is in a building that was damaged and is considered by New Yorkers as part of the ground zero site. This doesn't mean all those who oppose the current location are bigots. Yes, the mosque should be built and there are many mosques currently in NYC.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 30, 2010 at 4:56 pm

On the same day Beck held his peaceful rally, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef-- the spiritual leader Israel's leading ultra-Orthodox party engaged in hateful religious zealotry compare and contrast his views with Becks

"Yosef said during his weekly Shabbat sermon that the Palestinians, namely Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, should perish from the world. Yosef, a founder of the Shas Party, also described Palestinians as evil, bitter enemies of Israel.

"All these evil people should perish from this world ... God should strike them with a plague, them and these Palestinians," Yosef had said." Web Link


The Enlightenment was the work of devout Christian scholars such as Issac Newton at Christian Universities like Oxford and Cambridge-- they combined a belief in Faith and Reason-- the foundation of Western Civilization and American values---a point Beck made very well.


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Posted by Walter, walter, walter
a resident of Stanford
on Aug 30, 2010 at 5:39 pm

Well, i see that Sharon is once again engaging in one of her favoritetopics--bashing jews. What is the pointof her post? How is it relevant to this thread? not at all, but it somehow satisfies Sharon's need to engage in this kind of destructive rhetoricm in which she thrives on.
If one looks, one can find radicals in all religions, who preach hatred and division--we have a preacher in the south who plans to hold a "Burn the Koran" day. We have had "christians" claim that AIDS is god's punishment for being gay. We have had minister's call for lightening bolts to strike Disneyland during gay appreciation day. We have had ministers claiming that hurricanes and other natural disasters were punishemnt from the almighty. We have had Islamic imans preaching hatred.
One can also look at one of Sharon's favorite ministers and see what he has to say--Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church.
I think we all know where Sharon is coming from and we all knowabout Beck's cynical use of religion to further his goals and fatten his wallet. Enough said.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 30, 2010 at 6:21 pm



Serious trouble brewing for the Obama administration---"If we think of a Bush cabinet official sending an e-mail to civil servants asking them to attend a Glenn Beck rally, there would be a lot of outrage over that." Becks rally was a call for a renewal of Americas foundational Christian values-- it was non partisan and a huge success, Sharpton is a notorious shake down artist---what an embarrassment for the left and a boost for Conservatives and Moderates.
David Brooks of the NYT and PBS News Hour points out that only 20% of voters are on the left, 40% are Conservative and 40% are in the middle--- Beck spoke to the 80% and they agree with him.

"President Obama's top education official urged government employees to attend a rally that the Rev. Al Sharpton organized to counter a larger conservative event on the Mall.

"ED staff are invited to join Secretary Arne Duncan, the Reverend Al Sharpton, and other leaders on Saturday, Aug. 28, for the 'Reclaim the Dream' rally and march," began an internal e-mail sent to more than 4,000 employees of the Department of Education on Wednesday.

Sharpton created the event after Glenn Beck announced a massive Tea Party "Restoring Honor" rally at the Lincoln Memorial, where King spoke in 1963."Web Link


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Aug 30, 2010 at 6:51 pm

I love The SharonSpin on The Enlightenment! Very good, Sharon. You learn well from Prof. Beck. He is oooooohhhhh so educated! Keep listening to those well-informed intellectuals on Fox who want to keep church & state separated. They have no hidden agenda, they aren't motivated by greed or ambition. They think only of the US.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 30, 2010 at 7:25 pm


Leading academics at Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Cambridge and Oxford define the Enlightenment birth with the work of Sir Issac Newton Web Link
He was a devout Christian and scholar at Cambridge-- a Christian University founded in 1209-- a Christian institution for 800 + years.

The Enlightenment was a Christian creation-- a union of Faith and Reason.
All the founders of the American Constitution were Christians and every President has been Christian born and bred and until death.
That is reality-- anti Christians may try to deny that, but that is a denial of reality.
Beck is not an academic--- he was a lost soul addict until he found Christian faith--- good for him-- he seems to speak from personal experience-- not academic-- we do not watch his entertainment show-- but his statements in DC on Saturday are accurate.
The historical record of the fact that Western Civilization is a creation of Christianity is a historical reality-- not an opinion or belief.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Aug 30, 2010 at 7:46 pm

So Sharon, are you referring to modern western civilization? If so, what's your point?

I'm not anti-Christian by any means. But I'm not a conservative Christian, either. I understand there was history before Christianity. I am well versed in the history of The Enlightenment. It doesn't matter whether or not our founding fathers were Christians, or if they were agnostics or atheists who couldn't come out of the religious closet. It doesn't matter when Cambridge was founded. Of course it was considered a Christian school - there was no separation of church & state. That's my point. One's religion doesn't matterBut trying to tell other people to believe in God, to follow Christianity, ok, that's exercise of free speech. But urging the merge of Beck's faith with government is wrong. It's even more wrong coming from a man who claims to be an entertainer when so many of you drink his Kool-Aid.


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Posted by Paul Losch
a resident of Palo Alto
on Aug 30, 2010 at 8:02 pm

Paul Losch is a registered user.

There have been numerous religious rallies on the Washington Mall for many years. That is a good thing.

As best as I can tell, that was the over-riding theme of Beck's deal this past weekend, laced with some things supporting our military, which is fine. (I must admit I never have met someone in the last 10 years who does not support US troops, but that is a different conversation.)

I do not think it was promoted that way. "Restoring Honor" has numerous connotations, many of which are polarizing.

I teed this up because I still am of the opinion that it could have taken place on another date. I think it was in bad taste for it to take place on August 28. And it brings out the likes of Al Sharpton, who is as greasy a NY Pol as you will ever find. The event could have taken place another day and not stirred this pot.

As for a poster's comment above about how I take one point of view about a DC rally and another about a mosque near Ground Zero: I think there is a huge difference between someone who is a former "Morning Zoo" DJ (Beck) who has become a successful Fox entertainer who hosted a one day show by the Lincoln Memorial, and depriving a vibrant community of building an improved facility to support their local community. The people who want to upgrade their Islamic Community Center had nothing to do with 9/11. They are Americans and New Yorkers. And there is a building available.

Community Centers like this are pervasive is the NY Metro area. I spent part of my youth in Port Chester, NY, and I spent many Friday evenings and Saturdays doing things at my Catholic Church's community center facilities. All fun, no asking Jesus for foriveness. That's what this is about.

I won't go there about some of the horrible things those Catholic priests said to us altar boys at that same church, which also was part of my experience.

This is not about community centers at Ground Zero, it is about a performance on the DC Mall with Honest Abe in the background.

I have no difficulty providing opinions about each, and I am consistent in my POV.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 30, 2010 at 8:17 pm



In 1209--- the founding of Cambridge University-- there were universities in China, India, Tehran, Baghdad etc under Confucian, Hindu, Islamic faiths--- non of them developed the equivalent of the Enlightenment nor Democracy, and still have not--- Enlightenment and Democracy were the result of Christian beliefs and values-- as was the abolition of slavery--- modern Western Civilization is a Christian creation-- that is historical reality.
When Beck pointed that out and called for a renewal of Christian values to preserve Western Civilization he was correct.
Europe is now a post Christian continent, in large part-- demographically Germany will be a Muslim state in 25 years-- in the UK many more people now go to Mosque each week than go to Church.
The US is still overwhelmingly Christian and the last bastion of Western Civilization,


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 30, 2010 at 8:30 pm


@Walter, walter, walter

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, who on Saturday called for the death of all Palestinians has a lot of authority in IsraelWeb Link

rabbi Ovadia Yosef is Israel's former chief Rabbi--- this is a very serious matter-- equivalent to the Arch Bishop of Canterbury calling for the genocide of all Irish Catholics--- why is the rabbi not in jail?

He is a racist thug--- as are those who do not condemn his call for genocide and murderous ethic cleansing.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Aug 30, 2010 at 9:09 pm

If we're the last bastion of western civilization, it's even more important to keep separation of church & state, so that we can endeavor to be a true democracy.

Skip the history lessons laced w/your bias, Sharon. I'm well versed in the history of western civ, as well as other civs.


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Posted by Sharonnocide
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 30, 2010 at 10:15 pm

1497

There is no correlation between Western Civilization and separation of Church and State, as long as the State religion is Christian.

For example, the British Empire was run under the state religion of the Anglican Christian Faith, and spread western Civilization world wide.
The British Christian Empire lasted from 1497 until 1957--the Suez crisis-- when they handed the preservation of Western Civilization over to the USA.
For 500 years the UK had no separation between Church and State and yet it spread and preserved Western Civilization around the world-- 1/3 + of the planet-- it introduced Christianity science, technology, Parliamentary Democracy, market economy, free trade, property rights and the Enlightenment everywhere, it abolished slavery and built the Industrial Revolution, sanitation and scientific health care and education.
There is still no separation between religion and state in the UK.
The innovation in the USA was that it did not embrace any ONE brand of Christianity -- but it was established as a Christian nation--- City on a Hill -- and still is a Christian Nation--that is our strength moving forward-- that is point Beck made from his personal salvation through Christianity.
He is not calling for ethnic genocide of other faiths-- like the chief rabbi of Israel did on Saturday Rabbi Ovadia Yosef see Web Link

Beck was making a non partisan call for a renewal of our Christian values E Pluribus Unum and tolerance. Good sense and about time someone spoke up--- we do not oppress other faiths nor kill them in the US -- but we are not going to compromise our foundational values -- which are Christian.


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Posted by Sharon
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 30, 2010 at 10:28 pm

1497

There is no correlation between Western Civilization and separation of Church and State, as long as the State religion is Christian.

For example, the British Empire was run under the state religion of the Anglican Christian Faith, and spread western Civilization world wide.

The British Christian Empire lasted from 1497 until 1957--the Suez crisis-- when they handed the preservation of Western Civilization over to the USA.

For 500 years the UK had no separation between Church and State and yet it spread and preserved Western Civilization around the world-- 1/3 + of the planet-- it introduced Christianity science, technology, Parliamentary Democracy, market economy, free trade, property rights and the Enlightenment everywhere, it abolished slavery and built the Industrial Revolution, sanitation and scientific health care and education.

There is still no separation between religion and state in the UK.

The innovation in the USA was that it did not embrace any ONE brand of Christianity -- but it was established as a Christian nation--- City on a Hill -- and still is a Christian Nation--that is our strength moving forward-- that is point Beck made from his personal salvation through Christianity.

He is not calling for ethnic genocide of other faiths-- like the chief rabbi of Israel did on Saturday Rabbi Ovadia Yosef see Web Link

Beck was making a non partisan call for a renewal of our Christian values E Pluribus Unum and tolerance. Good sense and about time someone spoke up--- we do not oppress other faiths nor kill them in the US -- but we are not going to compromise our foundational values -- which are Christian.
Beck rally was not political-- it was in the tradition of The Great Awakening in the USWeb Link ---


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Aug 30, 2010 at 11:37 pm

Sharon says, "There is no correlation between Western Civilization and separation of Church and State, as long as the State religion is Christian."

Sharon, there IS separation of church & state in THIS part of western civilization. It's part of what makes the US a great country & a haven for newcomers. Otherwise, move to Iran, to Poland, to the UK.

Sharon, you're living in the past. England hasn't been a power for a long time.

It doesn't matter what Beck is NOT calling for, it matters what he is calling for - an erosion of the separation of church & state. Nope, no way, not in my US. He's back on the pipe, smoking up his dream if he thinks he can get his way.


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Posted by Please give me Beck's America
a resident of Meadow Park
on Aug 31, 2010 at 5:39 am

Why does the media refer to anything Tea Party or Beck or anything they disagree with as "predominantly white", when Obama's rallies were "predominantly white" and the majority of voters who voted for him were white, but they never mention that?

Could it be...an agenda????? ( NO, tell me it ain't so!!!)

BTW, if I have to choose between Sharia law and Mormon ( Beck's religion) law, I choose Mormon law, thanks.

Ha ha..just threw that in to irritate "hmmm"...in fact, nowhere, anywhere, at all is there anybody on the RIGHT asking to mix up religion and government. Find me someone, please. Mix up belief in higher ideals and government, yes ( oh no!!! a belief in something higher than humans!!! how atrocious!!), but religion, no.


Give me Beck's America.

Food for thought...Reid is Mormon also. He has voted for every theft from your pocket and reduction in your rights that has ever come up for a vote. So, just drop the silliness on religion. Americans don't care what religion you are, as long as you are honest about who you are. Beck is FAR too "religous" for my taste, but at least he is open about it and doesn't try to hide who he is.


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Posted by Walter walter walter
a resident of Stanford
on Aug 31, 2010 at 7:47 am

Sharon:

"why is the rabbi not in jail?"
It's called freedom of speech--you may not like what he has to say, but he has the right to say it. Remember what our founding fathers said about free speech

"He is a racist thug--- as are those who do not condemn his call for genocide and murderous ethic cleansing. "
My aren't we upset with him because he is jewish--I do not see in any of your posts, criticism or condemnation of any Islamic figures who have made the same comments regarding westerners/jews.

Of course, Sharon, you are way way off on one of your tangents again, anyway


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Aug 31, 2010 at 9:41 am

Millions of Americans don't want Beck's America, because he's an idiotic entertainer. We want OUR America, where separation of church & state is vital. We do, however, agree that freedom of speech is a crucial right, so Beck can say what he wants & we'll refute his b.s.


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Posted by not Sharon
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Sep 1, 2010 at 1:00 pm

Sharon, I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read your comments.

The US is not a Christian country. It is not a Muslim country. Nor Jewish, Buddhist, take your pick. It is, and has always been, a deliberately secular country, as the Founders envisioned.

The US is based on Western civilization. Western civilization, as most of us learned in high school and college, is based on Greek and Roman civilization, morals, ethics, and values, which were developed long before the advent of Christianity.

It is true that the Scientific Method was born out of an academic institution within a Christian culture. But the form of Christianity practiced by Newton, and the form of Christianity practiced by the Founders, is far different than the evangelical, Bible-based, anti-science, anti-intellectual, frankly extremist form of Christianity whose values lie at the heart of today's Take Back America movement.

Finally, if the evangelical extremists have their way, then we will have achieved a Christianic state which, in basing its governance on some limited understanding of 'Christian principles', will be indistinguishable from the type of Islamic state in, say, Iran. And I mean that wholeheartedly, and not as hyperbole.


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Posted by FullCircle
a resident of Crescent Park
on Sep 1, 2010 at 1:40 pm

"Beck is FAR too "religous" for my taste, but at least he is open about it and doesn't try to hide who he is."

Methinks the Beck doth hallelujah too much. Exploiting religion for political purposes is not the same as being religious. For example, Jimmy Carter was quietly but genuinely religious, while Ronald Reagan noisily exploited religion but never went to church.


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