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on Jun 27, 2014
Congratulations, James. Wonderful achievement. Enjoy Berkeley.
Yes, a big congratulations to you! I'm glad there is this possibility of taking classes on-line. (I remember doing a few correspondence courses back in the day.) I do think you miss out on the social aspects but this is still a very good way to learn. Harder it would seem to me. Kudos for getting into Berkeley!
I am a big proponent of online education. My son was ill and had to take all his classes online. He learned more, did it on his terms and had no "bad teachers" or class disruptive problems. I strongly believe more classes should be taught this way!
Congrats to another great student graduating from this 21st century way of education...time the rest of us move with it!
Because of poor schools, a large percentage of Foothill students have to take at least of year of high school level remedial classes before they can start taking classes for their AA. I can't believe that anyone could take more than a few classes without being in a classroom with other students discussing issues, interacting with the instructor.
I would not hire anyone that has not gone to a majority of classes at the College. I would like to know what percentage of the on-line only students actually graduate from the college they transfer to. Its probably very low, especially since they would be taking classes at a Junior level of college.
@jerry99 - I have a degree in Economics but I have taken a couple of online classes at Foothill in subjects of interest. There was plenty of "students discussing issues and interacting with the instructor".
The classes were very well done and consisted of online lectures, reading assignments, writing assignments, classroom discussions (done in a manner similar to the Town Square, but with names), quizzes, tests, presentations and papers. Just like a regular class except you discuss things online - which takes a bit more time than in classroom. The discussion topics were posted by the professor and in each class, the students were required to respond to a minimum number of posts and also to post their own discussion topics/questions. One of the classes had a required group project - a powerpoint presentation that required research and coordinating with the other students, just like any other class. There were as many deadlines as any other class, assignments due on a certain date, quizzes and tests given on a certain date (although you generally have about a 36 hour "window" to take the test), deadlines for posting to a discussion, etc. I found the classes challenging, interesting and actually more time consuming than the "in person" versions.
With the outlandish costs of a college education continuing to rise with no end in sight, online education could give a money-saving head start to most students. This is especially true lately, when most employers require a master's degree or a PhD to work in high tech ( even though their founders and CEOs have no degrees).
A college education has returned to being available only to the very rich, which is undemocratic in a country where most jobs now require a minimum of at least a four-year degree.
A traditional college education leaves a lot of people undereducated, underpaid, and underemployed, because it leaves out 90% of American students who need it ( no doubt worsened by schools who give priority to students from China) .
Add to all this the fact that the US is one of only five countries in the world ( the other four are in Africa) that does not pay for qualified students to get a four-year degree or better, and anyone can see that without online universities, American kids are doomed, as is America.
> I can't believe that anyone could take more than a few classes
> without being in a classroom with other students discussing issues,
> interacting with the instructor.
A couple of other posters have more-or-less answered this poster, but I wanted to add a couple points. On-line course, properly conceived, use as many tools available on the Internet/WEB as possible. VideoChat allows one-on-one interaction with instruction, other students and even people who might be seen as resources for research projects. Skype provides free VoiceChat/VideoChat and Instant Messengerwhich goes a long way towards putting people face-to-face. Google/Hangouts allows multiple people to join in a meeting. Other tools exist, but may be fee-based, unlike Skype and Google/Hangouts.
The comment about the on-line course taking more time/effort is good to hear. It's hard to judge students' perceptions of these tools, and instructional packages, unless they have been through the traditional path at least once.
Will be interesting to see if more people shift to on-line at the Community Colleges. The drop-out rate at the schools is pretty high. It would be better if more people used on-line if they weren't sure if additional education is something that they are suited for.
There is a very good article about online education in the June 28 edition of "The Economist", among other related articles about how education must change.
I wonder what the success rate is for those who transfer to UCB from Foothill when they are competing with students who have super high SAT scores and super high GPAs and have taken many AP classes in high school. Sure, it seems like an easier route to attend UCB through the CC route, and kick back in high school and avoid the SAT, but does the student have the aptitude to compete at UCB with these super students?
UCB publishes surveys and research on the success of CC transfers - overall success is very similar to freshman admitees. About 90% graduation rate. It's worth reading, and a positive sign for these students.
Very interesting article. Great to have these high quality options.
@Foothill's easy, who posted above, has a strange mentality with his/her slam on Foothill students, in my viewpoint. [Portion removed.]
Better to stand on your own two feet like Foothill students who may have to strive but who have a plan and who are intelligent enough to save money on their education (may not have the benefit of Daddy's $$$ like you to fund costly private schools) and who also sometimes transfer into UC Berkeley!
@anonymous: there is no right way to do anything. I think it's an assumption that "Foothill's easy" is slamming Foothill. The question is valid and "Curious" answered it successfully without a resentful posting which bashes the wealthy. I attended Foothill for a year before transferring, and I agree that Foothill is much easier than a UC and an easier route to fulfill general ed requirements.
@get over yourelf...re-read "Foothill's easy"'s post. Sounds like a slam to me.
Incidentally, I had a family member do a summer class at Foothill and they used....wait for it....Stanford curriculum! It was solid.
There are many variables here, but to claim that taking a class at Foothill is comparable to attending at Stanford is ludicrous and defensive. The competition of students at Foothill is considerably less than attending top tier universities, therefore, although it might be Stanford curriculum, it's easier to take the class at Foothill. Summer school students are also not necessarily the same caliber as the school year students because university students return home during the summer. Sure, there are the top students who need to save money and attend community college, but in general, it's not the majority.
@Joe - No community college will be "comparable to attending Stanford", for that matter, very few Universities will be comparable to Stanford. However, Foothill has a great reputation and solid professors who actually teach the classes vs. TAs and grad students. Much of your first two years in college are spent fulfilling general ed requirements which matter very little to your major.
@jerry99 - I find your comment interesting that you "would not hire anyone that has not gone to a majority of classes at the College". For most of the people I have hired in my 35 years in the business world, except for their first job, where someone went to school matters very little. Their experience and work ethic matter much more. And one of met best employees never graduated from college at all.
[Portion removed.] Not only is the Bay Area full of successful people who transferred, back before online education, this article shows exactly what online education can do.
Congratulations, and best wishes to James.
@FoothilI'sEasy: You are posing the valid and good question how Foothill students measure up at the next higher level in education and when competing with students that come on different routes. The statistics are out there and - I am happy to say - in our favor.
What I don't appreciate is your attitude and assumption that students that successfully finish their studies at a CC take this route because they "kickback in high school and avoid the SAT". It only shows how little you know about that demographic.
Many of the students I met during my time at Foothill successfully graduated this spring from several highly recognized 4-year colleges and yes, Stanford was among those. They are hardworking individuals that for many different reasons didn't go the traditional route - laziness and shying away from a challenge were not among them. Many had to work their way through high school and further, without parents that were able to support them, pay for tuition, the expensive tutors or SAT prep classes that others are able to take advantage of and that brings up their grades in order to be "competitive". They worked tiring jobs throughout their colleges years and sill kept their grades up. Some even supported families and still finished at the same time as the super competitive students you are talking about.
From my own experience I can report: Foothill prepared us well. Because of my choice of a bachelor in Science I had to take all my basic introductory science classes at Foothill and it was hard and it was exactly what I needed when I got to UCSC. I hit the ground running because that is what I learned at Foothill. I just graduated among the 5% best of my class.
Foothill has been referred to as Harvard on the Hill for good reason. For decades, data have shown that students who transfer from JC are successful, and well-adjusted. Some studies have shown that they're even more well-adjusted than non-transfer students, because many have already held jobs and other responsibilities.
Yes, my siblings and I attended Foothill, then transferred. We are all successful professionals. The UC system not only had provided us with our undergrad degrees, but graduate, as well. Our mother attended a JC before transferring, while she raised us, and we had a neighbor who was a JC instructor. He had a PhD from Stanford and loved teaching in a JC. Our father is the only immediate family member who didn't attend a JC, but as an educator, he is a strong proponent of them.
I recall a large group of students a year ahead of me at Foothill, with whom I shared a class. The majority transferred to UC, including 6 who went to Cal. Several also transferred to Stanford. We were all serious students, from various backgrounds, and we varied in age.
The wonderful aspect of America besides the fact that each person's life is valued, is that this country allows for multiple chances at success if a person works hard. People are allowed to change careers and do. Community college is giving the less wealthy, less academic, and/or students with no family guidance, a second chance. No student in elementary school has the dream to attend community college, but it's a stopping ground to fulfill their dreams.
We should hang our flag with pride and be grateful that our military is keeping us safe. People in other countries can only dream while Americans can make it happen if they have the potential and motivation.
My family member showed me the curriculum - happened to be Accounting - several years ago, which said in black and white at the front of the mass of material - it was substantive - that it was written by Stanford profs - so therefore I assume THEY use their own curriculum, too for that as some professors do in this world. I am not current but that happened then. I never said Foothill equals Stanford. It would be ludicrous to compare the socio-economic backgrounds and advantages of Stanford private university students to public community college students. Still, Foothill is a very high quality community college -- yes, there are some that are lower quality out there -- and it appears many - I never said all - students may obtain a great 2 year start there for a very reasonable price, so WHY are posters arguing with me on that?? Many of us also have known students over the years who have transferred on and succeeded at UC Berkeley (and likely other universities, too).
Defensive statements on behalf of Stanford are completely unnecessary, they have a major PR machine with a big budget already.
Again, I congratulate the student who is the subject of this original news story and who took an interesting path via online education.
God Bless America - why are you making the junior college students less than others? I attended one with students who came from money, whose grades were better than those who got into the State schools, but not good enough for a UC or an Ivy League school. Many of them were also just not sure yet which focus to have in life, academically, and it was smarter to go to a JC. I know parents who wisely guided their kids there instead of allowing them to drift along and party for 2 or 3 years at a 4 year institution. They wanted their kids to mature a bit, maybe hold down a job part time while going to school, as well as other reasons. I have a friend whose thrifty parents had plenty of money, and all of the kids started out in JC. All of them transferred, they're all professionals, and several of them in that one family have advanced degrees, as is the same in my family. In fact, many of the less intellectual kids were happy to go to a state school, and the more intellectual ones went to community college, then a UC or other uni. Meanwhile, I had friends at Stanford that would get their syllabus but be absent from classes for days and days, which doesn't fly at a junior college.
Generally, the students who attend JC aren't as privileged or focused as those who attend colleges with good reputations. Doesn't mean they can't make something of themselves. There are plenty of elite school students who have done nothing that makes their degree necessary. And plenty at other 4-year schools who have flunked out due to partying.
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