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So how did they get away with NO PARKING spaces? They slid that one under the radar. There is another 50 cars parked in the residential areas by the valets. Pretty slick way to get the community to pay for their parking. Next the City Council will ask the good tax payers to fork up for a new parking garage.
Where are the parking spaces provided by the Cardinal Hotel? The hotel slid nothing under the radar. Aren't you going to bring up "greedy developers", midtown??????
The Epiphany is a former residential hotel, not a new building. The building never had parking to begin with...built in 1975.
Casa Olga wasn't an eight-story, 86-room building with a restaurant.
ok Rupert, I'll respond to your taunt. Yes, Greedy Developers. There are many other words to accurately describe these architects/developers much worse than greedy but the newspaper won't print them. NO PARKING and the city approved it.
It never *had* parking. The building was already a hotel and it had retail on the first floor.
Yes it is going to be a parking PITA, but I don't think you can equate this to the new under-parked developments in town.
Casa Olga was hardly iconic.
A $375 swimsuit is not an investment unless it pays yearly interest and dividends.
$375 swimsuits - only if you never get them wet.
What happens if the suit doesn't change its shape but your body does?
If the City responded to issues affecting the quality of life then the
"grandfathered" uses loophole which allows underparking would have been
eliminated as the parking problem grew. Instead projects like 611 Cowper
now under construction benefit from the loophole. Is the Epiphany using
the "grandfathered" uses loophole to avoid providing any parking? We have
a change of ownership, a change of use, but the same footprint, so the
lack of parking is grandfathered in? If that is what happened then the
ordinance should have been changed as the parking problem spread.It's just another loophole built into the City code.
It looks like the Epiphany is paying in-lieu parking fees only for
the existing 5 parking spaces it is eliminating which are at grade.
No other in-lieu fees under the "grandfathered" provisions.
And we wonder why we have a parking problem. Look no further than ourselves who let them get away with it.
No parking at a new hotel? $375 bathing suits described as "investments." This is like reading The Onion!
@Crescent Park Dad:
Yes it is going to be a parking PITA, but I don't think you can equate this to the new under-parked developments in town.
Yes I can. It got a new building permit. From a citizen point of view, the Council and Planning Whatsoever is guilty of criminal negligence.
Looking into the matter of parking assessments further it appears that there
was an agreement in May,2012 whereby the assessment district "would no
longer be required to reimburse the property owner (Casa Olga)for any
portion of future assessments", which had been the arrangement.Under this
agreement Joie de Vivre, the hotel which has a long-term lease with Casa Olga, would be assessed for 195 spaces. Anybody out there who can verify that this is the current status of parking assessments please do so.
Of course the assessments in themselves do not translate into parking spaces
in the immediate time-frame.
"Yes I can. It got a new building permit. From a citizen point of view, the Council and Planning Whatsoever is guilty of criminal negligence."
Criminal negligence????? Have you filed a complaint with the police? I doubt t. No crime committed. Just more hysteria.
The Epiphany was exempted from onsite parking because it is in Palo Alto's "transit-oriented" zone. Guests and staff will stroll between it and the transit center. No parking needed.
It is hilarious that Chop Keenan, of all people, is complaining about the lack of parking in this project. Really, Mr. Keenan, YOU are concerned about parking problems? Build parking to serve YOUR projects...and then we'll all feel some sympathy for your pain.
@ curmudgeon - love that! A hotel in a "transit zone" - one that does not have any direct public transportation from any airport - does not need parking? Too funny!
A petition just launched to ask Grocery Outlet to put up a smaller sign or a cloth banner instead of an illuminated sign. While out city council approved one of the largest and highest signs in all of Palo Alto, we are asking Grocery Outlet to be a good neighbor.
Please add your name to the petition here
I see nothing wrong with the sign, as is, and will not sign the petition. Plus the people behind this petition are known for their,outrageous accusations during the measure D campaign. No thanks. Good luck to grocery outlet-- we need a low cost choice in our city-- shopping is pathetic enough in palo,alto.
Hmmmm. Lol about The Onion. Too true. As for whoever said previously a hotel, implying no change in parking, very wrong. I'm not sure how many rooms were low income residences (section 8?) but I think most occupants didn't have cars. I used to see people from there in wheelchairs, or just sitting outside. Yet another snafu from city hall. I don't blame the developers. AND, who wants to join a pool betting in which month the swimsuit shop will be out of business? This isn't rodeo drive.
Funny about the swimsuits, rather expensive - especially considering that there the beaches are far and the water is too cold to swim in ...
Sometimes these blogs are more entertaining than SNL. In one paragraph we read about the deepening of a self-inflicted wound and in another there's a nonchalant reference to swimsuits that START at $375. And are called an investment. Oh, please. That's got to prick even the most dedicated consumer's conscience - it's ridiculous!
We just remodeled a home and had to go through excrutiating, excessive and expensive code approvals to finally get our city sign off. We had PA inspectors check every element of our new house which, of course, included spaces for 2 cars to park.
NO parking for the 80+ visitors who will be staying at the Epiphany each night? Which City Council team approved this?? I am stunned and so deeply frustrated that we were not only stuck with the high fees, but were stuck following ALL the rules while the city found lookholes for this hotel. UGH!!
I love the Joie the Vivre chain and they are not at all to blame. It is our city officials who let them do this. Shame shame on them!
$375 for a swimsuit would not sound so high if the article had also quoted a one-night stay at the Epiphany.
The Hotel was appealed to council but they could not get three members to vote to even discuss it, so they never did. Staff gave it a negative impact report.
How many spaces are being assessed by the downtown parking district
against Joie de Vivre for the Epiphany Hotel? The 5 spaces which were
in a small garage on the ground level which were eliminated in the remodel are being assessed. Is all or a portion of the remaining original
195 space allocation for the building being assessed? Casa Olga had a
reduction of the allocation from 195 to 78 under a prior agreement due to
its use as a convalescent care facility and then single occupancy hotel with
72 rooms. The Ephiphany has 86 rooms and a restaurant. Does anybody out
there know the answer to this? Are they actually paying for 195 spaces in
addition to the 5 spaces eliminated? Of course this doesn't solve the immediate problem but it is important. The parking issue hangs over the
project but give the architect credit for the natural wood vaneer panels
which do frame the building and tie into the redwood mosaic very effectively. The roof extension is visually problematic especially from a
Parking should be absolutely required for any hotel in this area. Why did the City Planning Department/Architectural Review Board let them get away with this. There should be at least one space per room and some more for visitors, especially if they have a restaurant on site.
Sine the City has foolishly approved this development without necessary parking they should provide a valet lot near 101, and those staying in the hotel should not be allowed to park their own cars. The hotel can provide a shuttle from/to the valet lot. The other alternative would be for the hotel to pay for a permit to park the requisite number of cars on the top (only the top or in the lowest basement--below street level) of one of the parking garages that is currently under used. The hotel should pay the top price for parking permits and would need one for each room.
Here are links to the city staff reports from October 15, 2012, and May 21, 2012, about the Casa Olaga parking agreement with the city that appeared on Consent Calendar:
Agreement with Casa Olga: Web Link
Original staff report: Web Link
City Council minutes (see page 3): Web Link
"Council Member Klein advised he would not be participating in Agenda Item No. 5 because he has previously represented the Casa Olga organization."
This hotel's lack of parking is yet another reason to avoid downtown Palo Alto.
As for the bathing suit shop - how about organizing a field trip to T&C, getting a bunch of cupcakes and ice cream cones to go, then do a spot of bathing suit shopping?
Thank you for finding the documents relating to in-lieu parking fees for
Epiphany. It looks like the Hotel is paying in-lieu fees for the 5
spaces they eliminated in the remodel and 3 spaces for 800 sq ft of
retail for a total of 8 spaces or about $62000. Maybe I am missing something here- it is confusing.
When are we going to overthrow our city council? Who was responsible for this enormous failure to the citizens of Palo Alto? Who I demand!
Astor Home disappeared from Town and Country - any idea why?
Berry- if you are so outraged, start a campaign to recall the council. We are a civilized city-- we do not overthrow elected officials.
The owner of Astor (friend/neighbor of ours) decided that the business was not what she wanted to continue doing with her time. Life decision. Rent and/or T&C management had nothing to do with the decision.
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