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on Jan 30, 2014
Wasn't there a series of sex assaults around town last year by a tall skinny young white man? Cops need to compare witness descriptions.
Whoa, wait there just a second..."Victims described the thief as possibly white, Hispanic or Asian"...
Isn't that racist?
Is it sexist to describe the perp as a man? Most police reports give the gender and race of the perp.
I was the guy who grabbed this biker by his jacket but it was a wind breaker and he slipped out of my hands. I chased him up Cowper from University to Lytton, but he was on a bike and going pretty fast. He was a skinny white guy with glasses. Blue jacket. I'm still regretting I didn't kick him or check him off his bike. Next time I won't be so nice.
Seriously? Describing somebody, a creep, is racist? Bet you wouldn't say that if you or someone you love were the victim.
Be careful CK. There's a whole lotta crazy and criminal entitlement out there. That being said, it's awesome you cared enough to help.
Yeah, all my friends are saying that it's probably a good thing I didn't hurt him because he could sue me if I did. But it would have felt good to help someone get their purse back and give the suspect a little taste of my foot up his ass. I would have been mad as all hell if that was my mom, girlfriend or daughter who got robbed.
@ck - if you have not yet, please give a complete description of the perp to the detectives. Sounds like the description they have right now came from the victims who did not get as good a look as you.
Dear tall skinny white man, re:
"Is it sexist to describe the perp as a man? Most police reports give the gender and race of the perp."
Oh yeah - that too. Maybe we should just say, "alleged perpetrator" just to be safe. Wouldn't want to offend any actual perpetrators.
And to CK - you rock. Thank you for trying.
ck, first, I think you have the thanks of us all for trying to stop that guy, even though you were taking a risk that he had a weapon.
As for kicking him or knocking him off the bike, you probably would have been legally okay with that, but you might have exposed yourself to legal problems if you used excessive or un-necessary force. You have to be careful to stop when the job is done, not take an extra lick for good measure. That's all. Of course, if he reached into his things in a way that could be construed as reaching for a gun or knife, then you can take extra measures for your own safety. But in the end, it will be up to a bunch of people who were not there to decide if you acted excessively.
Bernard Goetz would have been fine if he had not walked up to that one guy he had already shot, said "You don't look so bad, here is another," and shot him again. It was that last un-necessary shot that got him into trouble.
@CK, thanks for at least trying but glad you didn't go further because you may have been hurt and a person like this would have for sure sued you if they were hurt. Most people would not have done what you did so for that I say "thanks"
No GardenGnome; that means 'not Black'.
My guess is, they're not finding him because he lives in the bushes near the dry creek.
Raymond quoted "No GardenGnome; that means 'not Black'". Exactly what are you trying to say? Not all criminals are "black"! All the racist people should move to where racism is still tolerated. This mindset does not belong in CA or the US for that matter. We all bleed red and most of us have feelings that can be hurt when idiots say insensitive things. If you don't like to live around black people, then move to where there aren't any. When you find that place, let all the other racists people know as well so they can go with you! I dont know of any place that does not have "black" people so good luck
I'd guess that, like me, Raymond does "live around black people." Probably more than people in the Green Acres neighborhood! Oh, and in case you couldn't tell - sounds like you can't - he was being a tad tongue in cheek.
Dear Question for Raymond, please calm down. No one is being racist here. It is perfectly valid to describe the perpetrator by known physical attributes, and that includes race if it is known. In this case, the perpetrator was apparently not black, but white, hispanic, or asian.
Not only do we all bleed red, but I will go a step further: It is not possible to draw any line through humanity by race, ethnic origin, religion, gender, or any other arbitrary means and say "Good on this side, bad on that side."
Be aware though that you tend to become what you hate, and if you hate racists, you start hating those you perceive to be racist without any evidence, and you, in effect, become a racist. Hatred is the root-cause of bigotry, fight the hate, fight the anger that leads to hate, and fight the behavior, not the people.
just me, please ''calm down''. if theres one thing not white people hate ,is to be told to ''calm down'' . thats assuming just talking about race is an incitemnent. typical racist american views. ms. kavadny might take that advice when hearing something that doesent worship police.
just u, do you realize what you just said? You just drew a line through humanity, white on one side, everyone else on the other, and claimed that everyone on that other side hates to be told to "calm down". That, my friend, is bigotry, pure and simple.
People are people are people, and I promise you that there are people on both sides of that line that do not like being told to "calm down", and there are others on both sides that do not mind it. I find that the people who usually most protest being told to "calm down" are the ones that are all riled up. Ethnicity does not matter.
Anyone who calls another a "racist" IS themselves a " RACIST"
Back to the story of "the guy" riding his fast, get away speedster through the City of Palo Alto.
Knocking someone off of a bike can be pretty dangerous.
Not caring about the injuries that the "kid on the bike" would have had from the fall, CK could have received a broken arm, wrist, leg (etc.) while pulling the guy down and fell himself, getting injured.
Your a brave and lucky fella CK to try and help out. Thank you for your winded attempt of doing a noble thing.
Also, "Mr. Speedster" on the bike~ no doubt ~has more than likely been recanting his actions wide eyed and laughing that he didn't get caught. Let's hope he tells the wrong person and that person has the fortitude to turn him into the police for action. I would love to be able to walk down University Avenue and feel safe.
CK, Thank you for your bravery in stepping in to help this woman. Our world needs more heroes like yourself. Too many times I have seen people just whip our their cell phones to film when things like this take place. Hopefully if the perpetrator uses her credit cards they can trace it and find him.
[Portion removed.] any talk about race is turned around to make non white person sound ''riled up''. like white man alex jones info wars.com says, ''any attempt to do good in america is turned around to makes it look bad''. speak on equality for non whites ,you are told to ''calm down''. don't tell a black man to calm down in public, because a black person of authority told another black man to ''calm down'' and the other black man was ready to riot. if you don't like the ideas of non whites ,why bother expressing vitriol just because someone wants to talk ''race''. of course you will gewt ''riled up'' about any talk about race. maybe you should seek help for you violent white attitude. iof course thou will turn it around to make the non white look bad. you're scared of black men. and your comments are fueling hatred. you get what you give.if you don't like to discuss ''race'' ,you are showing you're racisty. black men love to talk race. white racist get shrieky just for bringing up the subject. so ,go on, make another derogatory ''blame all blacks for not calming down''.you are a racist white and live with your anger. you must be scared frustrated white man. so ,pull down the shades and have fun with yourself. go to europe and see if they want your deranged white american self there. they have names for you.
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I am afraid I have a very difficult time reading and understanding what you wrote, due to sentence structure, lack of capitalization, grammatical errors, and disorganized thoughts. I really want to understand, mind you, but it is difficult. But you do come across as very upset, and I would like to understand why. Can you please calm down and say what you have to say in a way that we can easily read?
Another fine example of public education.
AllYouCanEat, I was not going to say that. Whatever education he got or did not get is in the past. The fact is that this person feels wronged and angry about it. He/she needs to work this out for his/her own sake. Extremely angry people make good movie fodder but lousy neighbors. There is a need to communicate here, I would like to understand more fully what the perceived problems are.
But I am afraid I have to reject the notion that all black men are angry and unable to calm down. MLK was, I suspect, more sad and determined than angry, and he stood for non-violence, and last I heard he was black.
I don't care what ethnicity a person may be, if you come at them with violent anger, they will probably react in kind. This does not solve any problems, it just perpetuates them. If you come at a person with polite respect and rational behavior, that person will probably also respond in kind. If they don't, then they have issues and should probably seek therapy. That therapy should be guided towards understanding why one would react to kindness with vitriol.
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