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on Nov 5, 2013
I'm curious, if the city trenches the Caltrain tracks, will they keep the Stanford Caltrain station? Move it underground or something? Without Caltrain access to Stanford sporting events, traffic around town will be even worse on game days.
I have come to hate Stanford game days. Our neighborhood streets get blocked off, ostensibly to prevent fans from parking on our streets, but it makes getting home difficult and usually ends up with residents moving barricades to get home. Now there will be a game in the middle of the week? Ridiculous exponential traffic increase!
Stanford, stop imposing on Palo Alto!!!
BTW, I work at Stanford six days per week, and it is hard enough to get off the campus due to traffic as it is, but game days make it insufferable!
Palo Alto's daytime population change due to commuting is 50,000. So every day is game day!
How terrible for Palo Alto residents. Having to put up with extra traffic on one thursday a year> Forget about all that extra revenue from hotels, retsraunts and shopping in the city's coffers.
I doubt many people park in Old Palo Alto and walk to the stadium. I never have seen the street sblocked off on game days. Where do they block them? On Alma?? I live on Tennyson and I have no problem getting home.
If you have so much trouble getting home during regular hours, perhaps you need to re-adjust your commute times--traffic is really not that bad.
Good grief. Listen to yourselves. Most Palo Alto-size towns can only dream of hosting world class sporting events - think Super Bowl, Olympics, World Cup. Consider the revenue generated, as well as the prestige, that accrue from these events. Get over yourselves. Go Stanford!
Jan, people park on Addison & Kingsley on game days. Professorville residents are definitely impacted on game days.
I live on Kingsley and I have to say that I enjoy seeing all of the football fans walking past our house to and from the games. It's festive, people are in good moods, and the cars covering our street don't bother me. The barricades are not a big deal as it is easy enough to change a driving route by a block or two.
I think all game goers should flood the Crescent neighborhood! They love people parking on "their" streets!! LOL
Yes, this is major problem that happens 5-6 a year (mostly on weekends), but an inconvenience to a Palo Alto resident is too much. Palo Alto officials need to tell Stanford that they will have to move their football games to another venue. After all, if it takes alittle onger to get off campus or fans are parking on their streets or their are some traffic changes that is all too much.
Meanwhil, on another thread, Palo Alto residents are complaining that Stanford will be not providing enough parking spaces for them when they want to go traipasing on Stanford's private property!!!
Ditto to all of those who are supporting this event.
1 game on a week night. Really that big of an inconvenience?
The stadium used to hold 86,0000, now only 48K. And Stanford is imposing what? Oh that's right, money into the local economy. Terrible.
Honestly, get a grip!
Any reason why a Thursday afternoon game. This is going to impact Paly and Town & Country.
I have no objection to weekend games, but why midweek?
Answer for Resident: TV and money
The game is at 6pm many people get there early to avoid the rush. Early dinner, game until late so not so much impact on the commute except for those who leave before 5:30.
Oh, by the way, I'm walking to the game. So someone else can have my parking place...Hopefully, not a canard d'Oregon.
The only thing we should be worried about is winning this game! Go Card! Everyone enjoy this fun filled family activity!
@CC, thanks for the info,: Stanford's priorities: TV and money. That about sums it up. I live where we are greatly impacted by Stanford traffic.
It is more than TV and money--- this is a sign that Stanford football is highly regarded. Thursday night games are marquee match ups and this is a big one. Instead of being happy for Stanford, we get the typical complaints about traffic. It is one Thursday in a year!!
But I understand too much traffic and nonsense-- you bought a house and then along came Stanford and plopped down their campus next-door to you.
Actually, Stanford probably doesn't have much say in when the game is played. ESPN (or Fox)decide, based on what time and day and what matchup will bring in the biggest audience. Universities are often told only a day or two before the game what time it will be held. Big story on this in the NY Times: Web Link
I totally agree with Not an Issue. How unfortunate that Stanford just plopped down a university and football stadium next to their home. I can understand residents being inconvenienced by game traffic, but I think they should also consider the revenues it brings into PA. And, we're talking 5 or 6 times a year? I imagine there are many PA sized towns that would be ecstatic to have a prestigious university, with its, now, very successful football program (and I do vividly remember the very bad years!).
I have rarely missed a home game since 1976 - great fun and entertainment. Go Stanford!
To Game day hater:
If you live close enough to campus to have the barricades erected on game days, then I certainly hope you aren't DRIVING 6 days a week to your campus job. Could you walk, take a bike or the free shuttle?
@parent wrote: "I'm curious, if the city trenches the Caltrain tracks, will they keep the Stanford Caltrain station? Move it underground or something? Without Caltrain access to Stanford sporting events, traffic around town will be even worse on game days."
I doubt if it would make much of a difference. The Stanford Caltrain station is only open for home football games, and a handful of select events. Stanford football plays six regular season home games.
The Stanford Caltrain station does not really change auto traffic, it doesn't alter the capacity of the train service. It just provides a closer platform than Palo Alto station., more convenient for game attendees, but the trek to Palo Alto station isn't really more than ten minutes. Also, there are no ticket vending machines at the Stanford Stadium stop, no Clipper Card terminals.
Not a big deal.
The time and date of this game were decided early in the year, long before the time of other games (the time of the last 2 home games has not been decided yet).
So anybody who thinks they are being inconvenienced has had a long, long time to arrange their schedule accordingly. Of course, if you are concerned about the last 2 Saturdays of November, you will just have days to arrange your schedule accordingly.
One weekday of inconvenience and a few Saturdays--cry me a river. I've been inconvenienced by closed streets and traffic from various events on University Ave., but one learns to avoid these special days.
I knew this thread would be entertaining.
One of the side effects of being a great team is TV coverage. The networks decide what time games are played, not the individual schools which is why most of the Stanford games do not have a game time on their tickets.
I actually enjoy the enthusiasm that surrounds the games - excited fans at Town and Country, tailgaters at Stanford, fans walking to the game. Its only a couple of days a year.
I've never been impacted by Stanford game day traffic...
Mostly because there is no way I would even consider driving anywhere around Stanford on game days, especially with multiple Caltrain stations right there...
I've lived in every neighborhood of Palo Alto and have always enjoyed the Stanford crowds. How exciting it is to live near such a prominent university. Ride your bike to work for easier commuting, and just stay home that evening if you worry about traffic. I love the game spirit. We should all be so lucky to live here especially with this beautiful fall weather!
And it's always a hoot later in the evening to watch all the inebriated youngsters on University Avenue. But that's every weekend whether Stanford is playing or not. Makes me wonder how much of our tax receipts depend on alcohol sales.
They do attempt to block off the Southgate neighborhood on high impact days but there is a good reason for this....the streets are so narrow that if cars are parked on both sides then emergency vehicles can't get through and it becomes almost impossible for residents. But the signs say "Resident Parking Only" and it is always amazing how many "new residents" show up....but disturbing that apparently these "new residents" can't read.
Go Ducks!!! I am rooting for a Pac12 team to win the National Championship and it ain't going to be Stanford.
I work at Stanford Hospital which is on the Stanford campus. The really dangerous part about this traffic is the inability of first responders to care for critically ill patients in the hospital during emergency situatioons. I have been on call on Saturdays during Stanford games and, even then, it takes me longer than the 30 minutes I am reqiured to respond in. It took me 60 minutes on one occasion. I live in Palo Alto and it usually takes me 8 minutes to get to the hospital. When someone is having a heart attack, the difference between 30 minutes and 60 minutes could be fatal.
Hospital Worker--not sure what is the relevancy of your comments.
Someone with a medical emergency will usually come in an ambulance, which will get through traffic very quickly. You, coming in a car, will naturally take longer. What about when the city closes University Avenue for events--doesn't that effect "ability of first responders to care for critically ill patients in the hospital during emergency situatioons".
What about places all over the country that have sports events that generate traffic?
SHould we ban all sporting events because of this?
SO what is your point?????
I think the big problem about events like this at Stanford is that unless you happen to be "in the know" or interested in the event itself, they used to take us by surprise. In the past I was caught up in traffic because I didn't know in advance and could easily have gone another way.
This time, I have been alerted by Paly, by the PAPD on Facebook and also here in the Weekly that there will be traffic problems so I can plan accordingly. Thank you for getting the word out, although I expect there will be some commuters who will say they didn't know. Getting those who are not involved in the event to use another route must be helping the situation.
On another note, instead of alerting us about pancake breakfasts and helicopter landings, this may be a time to use the SCC Alert messages.
Though opposite commute of football attendees, I saw on the tv news that Stanford has told their employees that they can make an early exit from work today.
No - can't leave early without supervisor approval
This might be something supervisors consider beneath them in spite of it being a thing the University itself evidently wanted to happen!
Yes, it is a big impact. Stanford is not in a vacuum - they're across the street from a major high school, which is having a regular school day. Traffic around Paly is bad enough every day as it is. No accommodations - NONE - zip - have been made for all those students and family who are going to be severely impacted by this private university's football game.
How can anyone complain about game day traffic?! I agree with those who claim this is exciting for our city. I loved that the international bike race was in our city. Those who want serenity can move to a rural Midwest town. Can't have it all, whiners!
Ohfergoodnesssake!! To the whiners......!! We have a world-class university in our front yard, a great football team #6 in the nation which is collectively nice young men, scholars, wonderful athletes We ARE proud. These football games happen only 6-8 times a season. Much of the US will be watching tonight, hearing the sports announcers 'wax eloquently' that they vie to get this assignment, the great weather, PALY high across the street- home of pro players in football, basket ball ,and baseball, the local restaurants and beautiful homes...and a gorgeous campus.
So to the downbeaters, get some popcorn, a beer, hotdogs, gather the family, and cheer. You're only young once.
Anyone remember a nearby resident who fought PALY's lights for night football because HIS kids had to study and he had work to do! That's really sad. PS There are plenty of ways to go 'outbound' from the campus to go home. Game starts at 6:00 p.m. Most people in seats by 5:30. Much ado about nothing.
Ugh ... God ... for more than 35 years Stanford has choked the life out of Palo Alto traffic for a few days a year with these idiot games. I really hate taking that wrong turn and then realizing ... Oh God, I've got caught in Stanford game traffic ... and it goes on forever ... it's like a living hell. Sports fans be damned, Stanford should build a stadium and a big parking lot over by 280. I doubt even much money comes into Palo Alto on these days it's such a miserable place to be.
Actually, it's unfortunate that it will take ambulances some time to navigate through heavy traffic. I've seen it firsthand and it's stressful. And for folks who are driven to the ER by a family member or friend who may not know about the game, it could be pretty scary. I'm glad that this is being publicized so that people are aware. Money in coffers is excellent, but there is a very real downside for emergency responders and those involved.
" for more than 35 years Stanford has choked the life out of Palo Alto traffic for a few days a year with these idiot games."
Yes, there goes Stanford again abusing Palo Alto--and all Palo Alto get si money in their coffers from it.
Idiot games??? Is that what you call all athletes or only those from Stanford? These "idiot games" provide jobs and revenue. get over yourself.
"Oh God, I've got caught in Stanford game traffic ... and it goes on forever ... it's like a living hell."
And whose fault is that? Did you not know a game was going on? What happens when Palo Alto closes University 10 times a year for events???
"I doubt even much money comes into Palo Alto on these days it's such a miserable place to be."
50K+ people?? and you think PA does not make money? ANd if it is so miserable, why do 50K+ people come. ARe you begruding people some entertainment? Are you upset that Stanford football is in the national spotlight??
The only thing miserable here is.....
> get over yourself.
That's silly Jan. How would I even do that? Why do you have to make personal remarks, I'm expressing my opinion, and you're the one throwing a little hissy because you disagree with me? Is that the best you can make your point?
I don't like the games and those participants are mostly in Stanford ... they are not spending money in Palo Alto ... and Palo Altans certainly are not since it's so hard to get anywhere.
There are a lot of obnoxious boosters of this event that all show up to talk up how great it is, but most of it is vague claims that I don't think can be backed up.
Realistically, the games are not going to end, I just think they are no fun for Palo Altans unless you value sports over everything else. I see the people and the culture around sports and I, personally, wonder what people see in it. You might check out on You-Tube what Noam Chomsky says about sports - it's kind of humorous.
If Stanford or anyone else is going to do something like this they ought to have the planning and infrastructure to make sure it's not a complete screw up to the local town, but I'm sure you'll disagree no matter how bad it gets, or what comes with it. Do you even live or drive in Palo Alto?
If Palo Alto wants to make money - let's charge them all toll to get there ... then maybe there'd be fewer cars.
"Those who want serenity can move to a rural Midwest town."
Hear, hear! Though I also suggest you take your own advice; those who don't want to listen to old folks complaining about how the sun rises in the east and sets in the west should probably avoid the comments section on this site.
@ CrescentParkAnon - as far as your claim that "they are not spending money in Palo Alto" referring to the football fans, check out Town and Country on a game day. Today the restaurants and parking lot were packed with Oregon fans, Trader Joes had tons of people buying food and drink for tailgating. Downtown was full of "Ducks" eating and shopping. If I had to guess, our hotels are getting plenty of business too. Plenty of Oregon money was being spent in Palo Alto.
"Why do you have to make personal remarks"
And this is coming from a person who is calling football players " idiots"!!!!!!
And he states that no one is spending money in Palo Alto, clueless to the fact that the stores, hotels and restaurants are in Palo Alto!!!!!!!!!
> palo alto resident -
That was not really a claim, so much as a hypothesis.
If Town & Country gets a one day bonanza, and maybe that is the case, it may be doing it at the expense of everywhere else in town. It's valuable to questions the blasé assumptions people throw out here; to do a reality check. You could be correct, or correct, but to an insignificant degree. Or, even if T&C benefits, if the majority of the people of Palo Alto do not, so what. Not everything should boil down to dollars in the hands of a few ... maybe most things, but not everything. I never notice that T&C is that empty to begin with. Often most of the parking lot is taken up these days so incrementally, are they are really making that much more money?
It's a problem that might be able to be solved. It's not huge, but it is a major pain in the neck when one has to go through that and did not plan for it.
Hey Clueless, you continue to mistake broad statements of people not specifically referred to, i.e. football players, as personal comments. Calling football players idiots is not a personal comments. If I were to call you a name, that would be a personal comment. You also leapt before you looked because I did not say no one was spending money in Palo Alto. Why do you persist in having to exaggerate your points to the extent of breaking them in trying to communicate?
Clueless, very appropriate, by golly you even got it wrong that I called football players idiots, I said the games were idiotic.
Whoa, you haven't lived until you've been in a Midwestern university town on game day. In Iowa City the rest of the world actually stops!
" You also leapt before you looked because I did not say no one was spending money in Palo Alto."
CPA says the above now. Previously he said:
"I don't like the games and those participants are mostly in Stanford ... they are not spending money in Palo Alto"
Knowing full well that the discussion is about the people attending the football games.
I just drove home from downtown to the midtown area--no problems, traffic was heavy on Embarcadero west and Oregon, but not "choking the life out of Palo Alto traffic"!
Not sure why a person like CPA is upset that 50,000 people are having a good time 6 times a year at the Stanford football games. Plus the people that work the event and make some extra money--that upsets CPA also.
Some people go through life with a sour attitude--they hate the fact that Stanford has a successful football program these days and they hate the fact that people from EPA are using the Newell Bridge. Go figure
@ CrescentParkAnon - just wanted to let you know that we're off to the "idiotic" game!
> Not sure why a person like CPA is upset that 50,000 people are having a good time 6 times a year at the Stanford football games.
I'd be happy if 50 thousand people had a good time or 50 million. as long as I did not have to watch out and stop for each and every one of them cutting in front of me at a red light on El Camino and all the way down Embarcadero!
>Not sure why a person like CPA is upset that 50,000 people are having a good time 6 times a year at the Stanford football games.
Don't worry, I'm quite certain he'd be just as upset about 5,000 people once a year. Some people just like to complain.
I will say again, why wasn't the SCC Alert system used to inform residents not interested in the game to stay away from the area?
If it can be used for a pancake breakfast, then it should be used for traffic reasons.
I agree with Musical about Midwestern college towns. Seeing Ann Arbor on game days would give you a different perspective on football traffic. The traffic in Palo Alto for game day is nothing compared to traffic around the Big House, which seats 100,000+. And Michigan isn't even playing that well. Just saying...
@Jan: The police block off Emerson at Embarcadero, as well as Bryant, Waverley, and Cowper at Embarcadero. Sometimes, they also block off Kellogg, Lowell, and Churchill at Alma. Apparently there have been prior cases of fans trying to park in OPA, though I have never seen it.
If you live on T ennyson, you are probably too far south for fans to try to park and walk.
> Some people just like to complain.
Robert being self-referential.
"Robert being self-referential."
- for more than 35 years Stanford has choked the life out of Palo Alto traffic for a few days a year with these idiot games.
- I really hate taking that wrong turn and then realizing ... Oh God, I've got caught in Stanford game traffic ... and it goes on forever ... it's like a living hell.
-Sports fans be damned,
-I doubt even much money comes into Palo Alto on these days it's such a miserable place to be.
-I don't like the game
- they are not spending money in Palo Alto ...
- and Palo Altans certainly are not since it's so hard to get anywhere.
-There are a lot of obnoxious boosters of this event that all show up to talk up how great it is, but most of it is vague claims that I don't think can be backed up.
-as long as I did not have to watch out and stop for each and every one of them cutting in front of me at a red light on El Camino and all the way down Embarcadero!
Now who is being self-referential
Much ado about, well, not very much.
As I turned on Embarcadero on my way to the car wash, I was indeed annoyed with the game traffic and asap turned left and went to the car wash in Mt. View instead of Palo Alto and went to Sprouts in Mt. View instead of TJ in PA. The loss to Palo Alto sales tax was I'm sure more than made up for by the extra traffic at T&C. Also, I'm grateful for the income from the paid parking at PAHS which provides much needed income to student activities at PALY.
I consider game days part of the price of living near Stanford, which overall, IMHO, provides more benefits than not. I have to admit that on days like today (and when I read that once again, Stanford is trying to make it more difficult for us to access the dish*), the gap narrows.
*Please remember that access to the dish is not just out of the goodness of Stanford's heart, but regularly cited as one of the benefits provided to justify Palo Alto's approval of the many, many zoning variances that enrich Stanford, and worsen Palo Alto's traffic.
And before anyone starts complaining about only citizens of Palo Alto can enter Foothill Park, give it a rest. That hasn't been true for years. Only citizens of Palo Alto can use the parking lot on weekends at Foothill Park. Anyone can enter on foot (I forget which entrance that is) as it is part of some larger trail system. And no one checks on weekdays - the kiosk is not manned. Enjoy but watch out for the poison oak, rattlesnakes and mountain lions, lol.
No need to be rude, its not his fault he was born with a heart two sizes too small.
I got caught in the terrible traffic around 4:30. It was awful. I kept hoping they would lose or the town will be wrecked by drunks. Any excuse to get drunk and destroy something that others value.
And someone needs to remind us that this is a violent ugly game. Hardly a day passes that you don't read of some football player beating someone up or getting into a fight in a bar. [Portion removed.] Supposedly grown men think of this as an occupation.
I'm a Whiner - great post! And now that you mention it, that former football player Kwame, from your town, did whack the bejaysus out of his former mister. Pretty ugly stuff, that.
I have a lot of differences with Noam Chomsky, but in "Manufacturing Consent", he talks sports and the “indoctrination system” it encourages:
Take, say, sports — that’s another crucial example of the indoctrination system, in my view. For one thing because it — you know, it offers people something to pay attention to that’s of no importance. That keeps them from worrying about things that matter to their lives that they might have some idea of doing something about. And in fact it’s striking to see the intelligence that’s used by ordinary people in [discussions of] sports [as opposed to political and social issues]. I mean, you listen to radio stations where people call in — they have the most exotic information and understanding about all kind of arcane issues. And the press undoubtedly does a lot with this.
Well, in our society, we have things that you might use your intelligence on, like politics, but people really can't get involved in them in a very serious way -- so what they do is they put their minds into other things, such as sports. You're trained to be obedient; you don't have an interesting job; there's no work around for you that's creative; in the cultural environment you're a passive observer of usually pretty tawdry stuff; political and social life are out of your range, they're in the hands of the rich folks. So what's left? Well, one thing that's left is sports -- so you put a lot of the intelligence and the thought and the self-confidence into that. And I suppose that's also one of the basic functions it serves in the society in general: it occupies the population, and keeps them from trying to get involved with things that really matter.
In Understanding Power, 2002
The rude attacks on people who criticize sports, even for valid reason like riots, hooliganism, crime, rape, etc, is just another form of the bullying society Palo Altans say they wants to do something about but for many of them is at the very core of their power and identity. -CrescentParkAnon.
Three Former NFL Stars Diagnosed With Telltale Signs of CTE ( Chronic traumatic encephalopathy )
CTE, as the disease is known, is believed to stem from repeated blows to the head and has been linked to a variety of symptoms, such as memory loss, depression and dementia. The condition has been discovered in dozens of former football players, including San Diego Chargers linebacker Junior Seau and Pittsburgh Steelers center Mike Webster.
The rude attacks on people who criticize sports, even for valid reason like riots, hooliganism, crime, rape, etc, is just another form of the bullying society Palo Altans say they wants to do something about but for many of them is at the very core of their power and identity. -CrescentParkAnon.
I'm shocked shocked to learn that living next to a world class university with a world class athletic program can cause traffic problems.
"The rude attacks on people who criticize sports, even for valid reason like riots, hooliganism, crime, rape, etc, is just another form of the bullying society Palo Altans say they wants to do something about but for many of them is at the very core of their power and identity. -CrescentParkAnon. "
Cute comment. CPA. but irrelevant. The subject of this thread is traffic issues for yesterday's Stanford football game. Comments by Noam Chumsky and evidence of CTE in former players is irrelevant and immaterial.
You were not criticized because you spoke out against "riots, hooliganism, crime, rape, etc". You were criticized because you made a series of [portion removed] unfounded, exaggerated comments regarding traffic caused by the Stanford football game. Comments like "I doubt even much money comes into Palo Alto on these days it's such a miserable place to be." are bogus and without merit--they are refuted by other posters on this thread and by just looking around at T&C and downtown during game days.
Appending a silly quotation, to make it sound like you are some kind of victim of bullying here would be laughable for not the fact that bullying is a real issue in society and claiming that you are being bullied (when you are not) just adds another insult to those that are really bullied.
If you cannot take the criticism of your comments (which apparently are okay since the editors have not deleted any of them) then I suggest you move on to a more vanilla forum.
Why all the hate? Stanford games ARE inconvenient for Professorville and Old Palo Alto. They may have benefits for others, but what's wrong with saying they're an inconvenience for some locals? If we can't come together as a community with a little empathy for each other's problems, we won't make any progress. It's a little tiring to hear that DTN or Barron Park or Crescent Park or Professorville or Evergreen residents "deserve" their problems. Let's not blame the victims. We may choose as a community that some inconveniences are worthwhile, but it's always valuable to understand who benefits and who's inconvenienced.
If you cannot allow people the right to freedom and speech and self-expression and discuss something fairly and objectively without distorting what they say, "ridiculous, unfounded, exaggerated comments" then I suggest you move to someplace where they regularly do that ... say China ... and see how you like that.
Comments like "I doubt even much money comes into Palo Alto on these days it's such a miserable place to be."
Do you even understand what I was saying. Blindly claiming that these games are great for the Palo Alto economy is the unfounded statement.
The traffic mess is a menace, go back to where someone mentioned an ambulance trying to get through that tangle ... but you can go ahead an ridicule because you know that it will probably not be you that dies because of that.
I go back to my original statement that I should not have to word in some way where you cannot deliberately misinterpret it, I don't like the Stanford games. It's my opinion, I have valid reasons for it, and I have a right to my opinion. If you can't discuss something rationally without getting upset or feeling attacked, grow up or start learning Chinese, "Chumpy"
@Biker: Ten years ago, I used to bikeride to work in good weather. That was before I developed Multiple Sclerosis, so now it is either drive or go on disability, which will come soon enough on its own.
> Why all the hate? Stanford games ARE inconvenient for Professorville and Old Palo Alto. They may have benefits for others, but what's wrong with saying they're an inconvenience for some locals?
Because sports fans get all wound up and feel attacked when you challenge their rights to get in everyone else's face, and they gotta win! That's why violence at sporting events is so often reported. Remember the guy who had brain damage from the beating after the game in LA a while back when the issue began to be taken seriously. So far Stanford games have not generated those problems, but there are problems. Google "violence sports" and see what comes up. Shootings in the parking lots, fights, violence, etc. Pro-sports people are often irrational on the subject and often cannot bear criticism or discussion of any aspect of it.
"If you cannot allow people the right to freedom and speech and self-expression and discuss something fairly and objectively without distorting what they say, "ridiculous, unfounded, exaggerated comments" then I suggest you move to someplace where they regularly do that ... say China ... and see how you like that."
My, my, my. More distortions from CPA. No one is infringing on your free speech right. Questioning, commenting and/or criticizing your comments is not infringing on your right to free speech. In fact, your comments can be seeing as trying to infringe on other's rights to free speech. You seem to want to muzzle those that question you by claiming that they are somehow denying you the right to free speech. [Portion removed.]
" Blindly claiming that these games are great for the Palo Alto economy is the unfounded statement."
Okay--if that is your stance, then blindly claiming that no one spends money is another unfounded comment, unless you have the data to back it up. If you are not satisfied with the comments by others about full hotels and people downtown and in T&C, then please provide the proof of economic damage to Palo Alto on football game days.
"The traffic mess is a menace, go back to where someone mentioned an ambulance trying to get through that tangle ."
It happens 6 days a year. Palo Alto closes university that many times a year for events , generating traffic problems. The vast majority of games are on weekends when traffic is lower. Do you have a documented case where an ambulance could not get to an emergency room due to the Stanford football game? Any evidence of an ambulance not getting to the hospital during any event in Palo Alto that closed streets.
" It's my opinion, I have valid reasons for it, and I have a right to my opinion. If you can't discuss something rationally without getting upset or feeling attacked, grow up or start learning Chinese, "Chumpy" "
You have the right to your opinion and no one is questioning that. Others have rights to their opinion and the right to critcize and comment. You seem to be the one that is upset and feeling attacked. You are making claims that your free speech rights are being impinged and want people who disagree with you to go to China!!!!
"Remember the guy who had brain damage from the beating after the game in LA a while back when the issue began to be taken seriously."
Irrelevant to this discussion, but a sad event. but how many millions of people go to sporting events each year without incident. What about the entertainment and enjoyment they derive? What about the jobs and revenue to cities from these events. There are bad apples in every area. However this whole matter is irrelevant to the discussion since you are digressing from the traffic issue to claims of violence in sports.
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