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Yea for Ms. Quintero! We need more wonderful teachers!! How to get more people to choose this as a career? Have it pay a realistic salary. Teachers in California need a credential, which is almost a Master's degree. Teachers work long hours outside of school time doing prep and grading, but starting salaries much less than that of police and fire, which require high school diploma. Teachers used to be the Mom's of the kids, and the wives of the Engineers in Palo Alto. Now those Mom's and wives are going to Law School and Business School so they can make enough money to buy a house in Palo Alto send their kids to Stanford.
What an inspiring story! But it is NOT about Henessey. The headline does a disservice to Ms. Quintero. I salute her and hope the event is well attended and well noted.
Good for Julia! She's right on every point. One could add that the future of the nation depends in large part on its teachers and the work they do in nation-building as well as subject matter, helping students realize what they are capable of, and developing the qualities of empathy, respect for others, teamwork, and the other qualities that build social capital.
I am sorry, but after teaching for 15 years and a Master's I only make $3500 more than a starting teacher. Further more, staring salary is 1/2 to 1/3 the staring salary for most other professional careers. Being single, I will never own a house or a new car. I absolutely forbade my daughter to go into teaching and I would seriously councel young people to stay away from this career for a first career.
Great story, I love the idea of "pre-ed". The education systems that are so successful in other countries have one thing in common, the prestige of teaching and the quality of the teachers. Julia is exactly right that we should be addressing the problem of great teachers (but we also need to address getting rid of the bad ones...)
@Ellen - while the article is not about Henessy, it will get a lot more views because of his name in the headline, exactly why Julia approached him!
Awesome story. Thank you Julia. This give me hope.
The primary issue is not *attracting* the "best and brightest" (B&B), but to stop repelling them. Study after study, for decade after decade, has found that there are many of the B&B who want to be teachers, but drop out.
Many transfer out of Ed Schools because the curriculum insults their intelligence and wastes their time. One common complaint has been "They treat us like idiots". When I was teaching at Oregon State University in the 1980s, the Ed School offered a course in teaching supposed tailored for the professors in Engineering and the sciences. The first class was on the overhead projector, the device, not making presentations, and included topics such as the 3-prong plug, extenstion cords, changing the light bulb. Everyone I knew walked out well before the end of the first hour. Same thing happened to my mother when she went back to teaching (1960s), my brother (1970s), and various friends in subsequent decades.
The half-joke among various teachers I know is that Ed School is not an education program, but an endurance/stress test to filter out people who won't survive in a mind-numbing bureaucracy.
A second factor in many B&Bs leaving Ed Schools is that they find out that the curriculum leaves them inadequate time to acquire the background in the subject matter they want to teach, much less time to pursue their passion for that topic.
Those of the B&B that make it through Ed School were found to too often drop out of teaching because of frustration with the work environment: A common complaint was that they weren't allowed or supported in becoming/being good teachers.
Recognize that pay is effectively a non-issue for the B&B -- they decide to leave teaching or to endure is dominated by other considerations.
Also a consideration in pay levels is the matter of performance. The teacher unions in California and other states are routinely cited as a/the major obstacle to meaningful education reform. The current environment of emphasis on standardized testing is the result of decades of frustration with the education establishment's romance with failed practices (eg Whole Language Learning, Self-esteem).
I have sympathy for the individual teacher stuck in this system, recognizing that there is little that they can individually do about this. But those teachers also need to understand that by accepting being part of that system, they are part of the problem.
Addendum to my previous comment:
Some of this was touched upon in a New York Times opinion piece by Bill Keller (former editor) on 2013 Oct 21 entitled "An Industry of Mediocrity" (Web Link)
A practical step to encourage high quality teachers with degrees from places like Stanford? This would require some sort of loan forgiveness or free tuition after teaching a certain number of years in K-12. Without that unfortunately it really is financially foolish to pay for a Stanford degree to go into education.
Congrats Julia! So proud of you :) Who knew back in K-12 schools that you would be headed back some day haha
Kudos to Julia for organizing this panel and respect to President Hennessy for agreeing to attend. As a high school teacher for the past thirty-six years I have known many excellent teachers who have sacrificed more lucrative careers for teaching. With many teachers retiring (I'm not far off) we need to attract the B&B students to go into education. Other countries value their teachers more than we do in the United States - they not only pay them better, but their workload is often considerably less.
Way to go, Julia! This is an incredible success and I hope all goes well tonight (:
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