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A 'human water line' floods Palo Alto streets

Original post made on Sep 23, 2013

Bay Area Keystone XL activists took to rainy Palo Alto streets on Saturday to demonstrate against the Keystone tar sands pipeline and the effects of global warming.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, September 23, 2013, 2:32 PM

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Posted by rodents, a resident of Menlo Park
on Sep 23, 2013 at 3:17 pm

The san francisco tide gauge has been in operation for over 100 years and shows 2mm/year sea level rise. or 1/2 foot in 80 years.

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There is no sign of acceleration, in fact there is a deceleration since 1999.

Anything above this level must be based on models. Clearly the models predictions must match observations to be valid. They are not.

The author states that:
"Scientists predict a 3-foot sea-level rise would occur by 2100."
This is simply untrue and false information. The IPCC 4th assesment report provides a range of sea level rise estimates from 7-23 inches. Perhaps the author should do a little research.


Posted by Chris Zaharias, a resident of Crescent Park
on Sep 23, 2013 at 3:34 pm

The only thing rising is awareness that anthropogenic global warming is the biggest hoax perpetrated in the history of mankind.


Posted by 'Cane Sandy, a resident of Crescent Park
on Sep 23, 2013 at 3:39 pm

Rising among the deniers. The rest of the world gets it.

Look at the arctic ice cap.


Posted by rodents, a resident of Menlo Park
on Sep 23, 2013 at 3:55 pm

Why not look at the other ice cap Sandy? After all it holds 90% of the worlds fresh water and if it were to melt it would affect sea level. If all of the arctic sea ice melted, it would not affect sea levels.

All of this points to uncertainty.

I challenge any alarmist to read this:
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Antarctic sea ice hit 35-year record high Saturday.
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Posted by Sandy's right, just ask Christie, a resident of Los Altos Hills
on Sep 23, 2013 at 4:08 pm

"On 13 September, the expanse of frozen water in the Arctic fell to 5.10 million square kilometres (1.97 million square miles), the sixth-lowest such measurement on record, the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) said in a statement. The annual minimum was not as extreme as the collapse of sea ice last year, which smashed through all records. But it was still well below the average of the last three decades.

"The overall trend is still decidedly downwards," the NSIDC director, Mark Serreze, said in a statement. "The pattern we've seen so far is an overall downward trend in summer ice extent, punctuated by ups and downs due to natural variability in weather patterns and ocean conditions."

He went on: "We could be looking at summers with essentially no sea ice on the Arctic Ocean only a few decades from now."

Get real.

"The annual minimum was not as extreme as the collapse of sea ice last year, which smashed through all records. But it was still well below the average of the last three decades."


Posted by Sandy's right, just ask Christie, a resident of Los Altos Hills
on Sep 23, 2013 at 4:17 pm

The deniers didn't believe the ozone hole either. From the denier's own link:

"However, a conclusion of the Barnes study is that the recovery of the stratospheric ozone layer – now underway – may slow/delay Antarctic warming and ice melt."

That's why the denier uses hairgel rather than the hairspray he used before.


Posted by rodents, a resident of Menlo Park
on Sep 23, 2013 at 4:31 pm

Hey sandy, I never mentioned that the arctic ice has not declined. I am well aware that it has. I mentioned that the antarctic has increased. Why are you telling me to "get real" when I never disputed the arctic decrease? I also stated that the arctic sea ice melt will not change sea level, which is what the article is about.


Posted by Gus L., a resident of Barron Park
on Sep 23, 2013 at 4:45 pm

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Posted by Nayeli, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 23, 2013 at 8:37 pm

Nayeli is a registered user.

@ 'Cane Sandy:

I remember when Al Gore and other professional climatologists claimed that the Arctic would be "ice-free" as early as 2013. They warned of drowning polar bears. Remember?

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However, there has been more ice in the Arctic this year than any of the last forty years.

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While there are plenty of measurements on a micro scale in recent years, warming and cooling are all a part of weather. Earth has ice ages, "little" ice ages and subsequent warming periods. There have been "warmer" periods followed by subsequent cooling periods.

All of those things are beside the point in regard to the Keystone pipeline. Opposition to this pipeline is based upon little more than hysteria. The benefits far outweigh the claimed "costs." Besides, the oil will still be drilled and exported -- no matter WHICH NATION has access to it. If we don't get the oil, China and other international competitors will.

If anything, we should keep oil from the Western Hemisphere in the Western Hemisphere.


Posted by rick, a resident of Midtown
on Sep 23, 2013 at 9:52 pm

rick is a registered user.

Wow, the bay's new shoreline? How many people have actually looked into Matadero Creek at Greer Road at high tide to see for themselves how much higher the water can get before reaching street level? Looks like more than 3 feet to me.

That's not to say we won't have occasional floods. I remember those neighborhoods being underwater in 1958.


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