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Zuckerberg calls for immigration reform

Original post made on Aug 6, 2013

The push for immigration reform got a boost Monday night when Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg gave opening remarks for a film about Mountain View's Jose Antonio Vargas, an undocumented immigrant and Pulitzer prize winner.

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Posted by parent
a resident of Downtown North
on Aug 6, 2013 at 4:55 pm

Good for him. Shows that our younger leaders are a lot more open-minded and forward-thinking than the Fox News generation.


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Posted by cynical STEM employee
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 6, 2013 at 5:39 pm

His attempt to link his well-funded lobbying effort to increase the # of H1B visas with a more populist cause is so cynically transparent, it's hardly worth commenting upon.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of East Palo Alto
on Aug 6, 2013 at 7:37 pm

He needs to go walk his dog & quit trying to pretend he's a grown up.


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Posted by I Love Facebook more than ever.
a resident of another community
on Aug 6, 2013 at 7:40 pm

Way to go, that is why I love Facebook! He is so young, but so smart and can see far beyond than just undocumented people.


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Posted by CrescentParkAnon.
a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 7, 2013 at 12:24 am

What can you say, he's a billionaire, he must know everything about immigration and understand everyone's opinions and needs on the subject and be weighing them in a mature, intelligent way, right?


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Posted by businessdecision
a resident of another community
on Aug 7, 2013 at 8:00 am

Globalization. Americans like him profited from it, while tens of millions of ordinary Americans lost out.
Now even he is seeing the downside. Other countries can compete with the U.S.
The only answer to that is to drain out of those countries all their brains and bring them to the United States.


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Posted by Go-Back-To-School-Mark
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 7, 2013 at 8:57 am

Public policy made by uneducated college drop outs! Well, if we are going to listen to people like this young man--what's the point of spending trillions of dollars on public education--when it's clearly of no value to him, or other silicon valley types?

Knowing how to get rich, riding on the backs of other people, is all that Zuckerberg brings to the table. It's doubtful that he could get a job in his own company, based on his academic record.

Wisdom does not flow from wealth, as this fellow proves daily.


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Posted by Mike
a resident of University South
on Aug 7, 2013 at 9:44 am

Why couldn't Jose come to the U.S. through proper channels? It's not impossible. The U.S. lets in thousands every year.


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Posted by 35 year resident
a resident of Old Palo Alto
on Aug 7, 2013 at 10:42 am

And we should listen to him because ........ ?????


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Posted by s
a resident of Community Center
on Aug 7, 2013 at 11:21 am

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Posted by Julia
a resident of Meadow Park
on Aug 7, 2013 at 11:37 am


Hey, how about the people who apply for a legitimate visa as they should, from all over the world - are they being diminished??


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Posted by palymom
a resident of Community Center
on Aug 7, 2013 at 11:59 am

I'm the only person left who does not Facebook (Big Brother). We need to use what we have in this recession -- homegrown talent. We need to control population growth. We need to not let more people in and fix our problems first. Not a Zuck fan. He'd gladly pay a foreigner half over a Cal Poly grad with an engineering degree. Sell-out.


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Posted by Moco
a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 7, 2013 at 1:56 pm

Scmuckerberg just wants cheaper labor, get real!


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Posted by jerry99
a resident of Barron Park
on Aug 7, 2013 at 2:05 pm

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Posted by anonymous
a resident of Duveneck/St. Francis
on Aug 7, 2013 at 2:15 pm

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Posted by Cat Mom Leonorilda
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 7, 2013 at 2:19 pm

Mark Zuckerberg's compassion for DREAMers and others denied US residency and a path to citizenship (i.e., Mr. Vargas) has truly surprised me. Let's put it this way... I never would have expected such a stand from Zuckerberg. I consider his company a bastion of discrimination against older workers and I question Facebook's (and by extension, his) failure to address issues pages devoted to child pornography and animal cruelty. Something just doesn't mesh here.


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Posted by BUSINESSDECISION
a resident of another community
on Aug 7, 2013 at 2:30 pm

cat mom, he will latch onto ANYTHING. Of course this is just a fabricated fairy tale that he cares about DREAMers.


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Posted by Doesn't Surprise
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Aug 7, 2013 at 2:54 pm

Doesn't surprise me-- He's championing something that directly benefits his company.

Not saying he wouldn't necessarily speak up for something that doesn't directly tie in to his P&L-I'm sure he's a nice person, don't know him personally--but this one is transparent. Convenient political platform.


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Posted by maguro_01
a resident of Mountain View
on Aug 7, 2013 at 4:27 pm

Zuckerberg is an entirely ruthless business person and his latching on to the more populist causes surrounding "Amnesty" or the Dream act is extraordinarily cynical. It's also a considerable distraction from the tech corporation's lobbying in Pay-To-Play Washington regarding H1-B visa workers in particular. It shows the weakness of our journalism that they seem to buy it all uncritically.

Brain-draining the world is indeed a privilege we should strive to continue to earn and we usually get excellent colleagues and good neighbors out of it.

That has little to do with the sheer numbers of H1-B's in the last Senate bill - the devil is always in the details in Washington. Note that the corporations didn't lobby much for the Green Card with a Master's Degree program - they want H1-B's because they keep the indenture feature. Corporations get both the work visas and must apply for any later associated Green Card. US MS Grads with the Green Card are not indentured and can get jobs and leave them like anyone else.

H1-B's in even the numbers we have now are too numerous to call "brain-draining the world". In reality most of the EB-3 H1-B category, by far the largest group, are average tech workers. The Senate bill plus all the other programs including the GC for MS grads, L-1's, and others must add up to nearly a quarter million a year. Naturally, the tech labor market is a labor market like any other. Such a supply of indentured workers kills the job market and definitely the careers of US citizens and already GC holders. Such numbers are way over the number of new jobs available in the field in the US annually. Visa worker's salaries are usually just below the theoretical local market - look at the hours worked instead.

For years now the best US students have been avoiding tech since even if they get a job, they will not get a career - even really good ones. Does anyone out there really think that Americans have suddenly become utter dummies? Many US tech students get MS's in Marketing or Business in the hopes of being marketable long enough to have families and so on. Pure tech grads should remember something else also - Stanford, say, is a fine educational institution, but if you were there more than 6-7 years ago Stanford is in no way your friend. It is only interested in replacing you with new product.

Money runs Washington and tech looks more and more a set aside, especially around here. That's it. Multinational corporations are not American and are buying their global or even foreign interests in Washington.

But it makes sense to effectively minor in Computer Science to have a real edge in almost anything else going forwards. And Cloud Services will offer great computing services to Main Street to level the playing field with larger corporations. Be there. Forget the corporations, they forgot you and own Washington.


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Posted by Jim
a resident of Crescent Park
on Aug 7, 2013 at 4:44 pm

As usual a lot of hand wringing and platitudes and no specific resolutions. Do something say some writers. What specificaly are their answers to specific problems such as the Vargas issue. As usual no answer from the masses or their representatives.

We have immigration laws which our government chooses not to enforce. Some of the rules and statutes may be unfair in modern society but do not expect the cowards in our congress to address the specific issues. Instead they will cry for an OMNIBUS bill which allows them to do nothing. This way they do not have to vote and thus alienate somebody.

Regarding Vargas being sent here at age 12. Should he have been detected? If detected should we have let him stay or sent him back? Now that he has been here for 10 yrs or so should he be allowed to stay. Should he be able to become a citizen. Answer these questions yourselves then ask Anna and Diane and Barbara why they are too cowardly to vote on these issues.

We do not need cowards who dodge the issues by calling for OMNIBUS legislation. Attack each issue individually and we can solve a lot of problems. But we have Anna and Barbara and Dianne who you can bet successfully that they will never propose any legislation to deal with specific problems.


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Posted by Cat Mom Leonorilda
a resident of Midtown
on Aug 8, 2013 at 10:09 am

Cat Mom Leonorilda is a registered user.

Of course, Zuckerberg is taking this "stand" as a political ploy, trying to kill two birds with one stone: (1) self-portrayal as a compassionate person with a liberal leaning (ha! ha!) and (2) direct business opportunity to hire foreign workers at lower wages than U.S. workers in an indentured capacity, thereby depriving U.S. workers (citizens and green card holders) of jobs. Same old, same old... I was merely being facetious. I wonder what his stance will be when he turns 35... if his apogee even lasts that long!


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Posted by MiMi
a resident of Community Center
on Aug 8, 2013 at 11:40 am

MiMi is a registered user.

Why all the cynicism.
Where can I see this Movie?????
I personally believe that the Dreamers should be given an opportunity to live full contributing lives as U.S. citizens. As should Vargas and other like him.

There is so much misinformation in the above quotes: "For years now the best US students have been avoiding tech since even if they get a job, they will not get a career - even really good ones. Does anyone out there really think that Americans have suddenly become utter dummies?"
No, our brightest math and science students are going into Finance and "consulting" as they see they will make more money there than in most tech jobs, or teaching.
When my son (Palo Alto High grad) graduated from Harvard, that is what almost all of the brilliant math minds were doing.
And the friends of my kids who chose to go into Tech have great jobs.
If you are qualified, you will get a job even Home Grown.
What we need to do is finance our educational system, pay our teachers well, so children everywhere get the chance to have the education our kids at Paly and Gunn get.



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