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Climate Change debate over - Exxon admits reality of Climate Change

Original post made by Menlo Mac, Menlo Park, on Jul 9, 2012

Exxon admits Climate Change is real. Kind of ironic they finally came around this week, given half the West is burning up, a quarter of our states are in "severe to extreme drought" Web Link , and millions went a week without power during a severe heat wave. Rather silences the mockery of the Fox news flunkies who snicker during every snowstorm in winter. Heard them lately? No, i didn't think so.

Exxon's CEO called it real, but is calling it a manageable engineering problem. "It's an engineering problem and it has engineering solutions..."

Tell that to folks in Colorado that lost their houses to record wildfires.

Tell folks around Washington without power for a week in record heat how the engineering solutions are going.

All while Exxon records record profits (not going to talk about the years they haven't paid taxes, and the tax subsidies we give an insanely profitable company.)

What can be done? Alternative energy. China is doing it. China invests far more in solar than America. Just last week, Germany broke a record as they continue to lead the world.

from the IEEE "Solar power plants in Germany peaked at 22 gigawatts of output for a few hours on Friday and Saturday, yielding almost half the country's energy needs from the renewable resource and setting a new record in the process. The not-particularly-sunny country has long been a leader in solar power thanks to favorable policies like feed-in tariffs. In the wake of the decision to shutter all of its nuclear plants, solar power will need to play an even bigger role in the future. That 22 gigawatts of output is equal to about 20 nuclear reactors." Web Link



They have a long way to go, but they have the confidence and will to tackle a tough problem head-on, unlike certain Americans who insist we can't lead the world as we used to. No one would have believed Germany would have progressed so far, so fast if you had predicted it a decade ago.

Germany and other countries are able to do it. Why does such a vocal minority here believe America isn't better than other countries?

Now is the time.

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Posted by reality of climate change
a resident of Embarcadero Oaks/Leland
on Jul 9, 2012 at 3:00 pm

Uh-oh, the tinfoil hat crowd didn't get their fox talking points on this one yet. Heartland must have been stunned to hear one of their funders speak the truth. Now all we'll get is a bunch of recycled gibberish, deflection, hyperbole without any documentation etc.


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Posted by curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 9, 2012 at 4:52 pm

Up next - RJ Reynolds admits smoking causes lung cancer and endorses Obamacare.

The times they are a truly changin'


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Posted by Menlo Mac
a resident of Menlo Park
on Jul 9, 2012 at 5:01 pm

curmudgeon,

Good point. In retrospect, the deniers do look a lot like the 'bought & paid for' scientists back in the day that swore up and down that smoking was healthy.


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Posted by Menlo Mac
a resident of Menlo Park
on Jul 9, 2012 at 5:05 pm

oh, forgot to add - I thought the irony was obvious when a couple years ago, I started seeing new gas stations with solar panels on the roof.

Extraction companies installing solar. Geez... how did we miss that?


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Posted by extreme weather
a resident of The Greenhouse
on Jul 10, 2012 at 9:12 am

How much of the extreme weather this year is going to be a new norm?

Its been an expensive year with the droughts, the heat, the fires this year, the ones last year in Texas, etc.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 10, 2012 at 9:26 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

The debate is not over climate change, it is whether man has caused that change. Odd that the temperature of mars has gone up proportionately the same as that of earth?


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Posted by curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 10, 2012 at 9:46 am

Aren't all those rovers and stuff NASA's sending to Mars man-made? I think Walter just proved the Warmies' case.


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Posted by big balance
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jul 10, 2012 at 10:27 am

Walter.... you the guy that wrote this? "Global Climate Change, like its predecessors Global Warming, New Ice Age and The Yellow Peril, are bloody shirts to enrage and thus control the masses."


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Posted by Sean
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 10, 2012 at 11:57 am

"... about claims "the science is settled" on global warming: "One thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be certain about anything. You never know the truth. You can only approach it and hope to get a bit nearer to it each time. You iterate towards the truth. You don't know it."

Who said that? Wasn't it a science type that was paid for by Exxon?


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jul 11, 2012 at 6:25 am

Web Link

Nobody thinks for a second that the job of an Exxon CEO is to make money for the shareholders, and that one way to do that is to appeal to the public? They are like politicians...will say whatever to get approval. Geez, folks, get a grip. Any smart CEO is going to try to find favor for his company in any way he can.

Back to real-ville, link above is about tree rings, cooling, warming, over last 3,000 years. Pretty good stuff. Gee...as we move away from the sun our earth is actually cooling overall? Wow. Don't look at long term pattern, folks..you might connect some dots and the power hungry will not be happy about it.


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Posted by Walter_E_Wallis
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 11, 2012 at 9:26 am

Walter_E_Wallis is a registered user.

Anyone care to comment on my comment ...that the "Man made" aspect of "Warming" is what is to question?


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Posted by Menlo Mac
a resident of Menlo Park
on Jul 11, 2012 at 9:55 am

Walter:

"Anyone care to comment on my comment ...that the "Man made" aspect of "Warming" is what is to question?"

They already have.

www.ipcc.ch/

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is the leading international body for the assessment of climate change. It was established by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) to provide the world with a clear scientific view on the current state of knowledge in climate change and its potential environmental and socio-economic impacts."

Go ahead and argue with the the majority of the world's scientific community. I won't engage the usual deniers that are slowly starting to post here. Not in the mood right now for conspiracy theorists who for some reason think they're smarter than everyone. Looks like you're just missing Gary/Sharon and you'll have your quorum. Have at it.

Have a good day.


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Posted by Sean
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 11, 2012 at 12:19 pm

Menlo Mac,

Who is James Lovelock?


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Posted by wildfires and storms
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 11, 2012 at 12:36 pm

Sean didn't even get the guys name correct in the Lovland thread.

90 year old promoting a book that comes out next year.

Said we have warming but its been deferred a bit.

So Sean, is the earth warming?

You sticking with the fringe or going with the concensus of the scietific community?


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Posted by Getting hotter!!
a resident of Meadow Park
on Jul 11, 2012 at 2:44 pm

The rest of the world has been suffering from the effects of climate change for years. Thank heavens it has at last hit the US perhaps now the skeptics will wake up and change their ways. The effects of climate change will only get worse.


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Posted by curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 11, 2012 at 2:52 pm

"Anyone care to comment on my comment ...that the "Man made" aspect of "Warming" is what is to question?"

I did, Walter. Right below your posting. Find someone to read it to you.


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Posted by Menlo Mac
a resident of Menlo Park
on Jul 12, 2012 at 11:45 am

Nothing to see here folks, just pull your tin foil hats down over your eyes a bit more....

"*** The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for May 2012 was 0.66C (1.19F) above the 20th century average of 14.8C (58.6F). This is the second warmest May since records began in 1880, behind only 2010.
*** The Northern Hemisphere land and ocean average surface temperature for May 2012 was the all-time warmest May on record, at 0.85C (1.53F) above average.
*** The globally-averaged land surface temperature for May 2012 was the all-time warmest May on record, at 1.21C (2.18F) above average.
*** ENSO-neutral conditions continued during May 2012 and sea surface temperature anomalies in the eastern equatorial Pacific Ocean continued to warm. The May worldwide ocean surface temperatures ranked as the 10th warmest May on record.
*** For March–May (boreal spring) 2012, the combined global land and ocean surface temperature was 0.59C (1.06F) above average—the seventh warmest such period on record.
*** The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for January–May 2012 was the 11th warmest on record, at 0.50C (0.90F) above the 20th century average."

Nothing at all...

Web Link


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Posted by Sean
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 12, 2012 at 1:20 pm

Menlo Mac,

Once again, who is James Lovelock?


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Posted by Menlo Mac
a resident of Menlo Park
on Jul 12, 2012 at 1:42 pm

Sean - W&S answered that already, didn't they? Sorry you missed the post above.

What do you think of the news? What do you think your 92 year old author Lovelock/Lovland thinks of these facts?

The Northern Hemisphere land and ocean average surface temperature for May 2012 was the all-time warmest May on record; with the combined global land and ocean surface temperature the seventh warmest such period on record.

The globally-averaged land surface temperature for May 2012 was the all-time warmest May on record
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The May worldwide ocean surface temperatures ranked as the 10th warmest May on record.

The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for January–May 2012 was the 11th warmest on record.


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Posted by Pilot
a resident of Professorville
on Jul 12, 2012 at 2:45 pm

Careful Mac, Sean is going to reply with his 1927 report of fishermen and seal hunters declaring the arctic free of ice that summer. After all, no sense relying on modern measurement devices - they're all made by socialists.

Obviously used by socialists, too.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Jul 13, 2012 at 6:12 am

Caution: Web Link

Huge sun flare just erupted. I am betting "global warming" will be intense over the next few days.


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Posted by Mnelo Mac
a resident of Menlo Park
on Jul 13, 2012 at 10:51 am

Perspective: Apparently, with your mocking comment ("I am betting global warming will be intense over the next few days") you are unaware of today's reality, which is all over the news.

Your weak attempt at humor would fall flat around much of the country recently ravaged by storm, power failures or drought.

"U.S. Declares the Largest Natural Disaster Area Ever Due to Drought"

"The blistering summer and ongoing drought conditions have the prompted the U.S. Agriculture Department to declare a federal disaster area in more than 1,000 counties covering 26 states. That's almost one-third of all the counties in the United States, making it the largest distaster declaration ever made by the USDA."

Mocking the reality of climate change while America suffers. So patriotic. Keep those Fox-tinted glasses firmly in lace.

"About 53 percent of the country is facing "moderate to extreme drought" so far this summer."

Web Link


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Posted by curmudgeon
a resident of Downtown North
on Jul 13, 2012 at 12:46 pm

I wonder why deniers adamantly dismiss a potential cause of what is clearly a building disaster. If we can control the cause of this disaster, we damn well better start throttling it back or we're toast.

After all, even if your head feels cozy under the sand, your butt's way up in the air.


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Posted by Sean
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 13, 2012 at 2:17 pm

Menlo Mac,

Why did the Arctic melt in 1922?


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Posted by Denier B. Crazy
a resident of Adobe-Meadows
on Jul 13, 2012 at 2:26 pm

Sean, is the earth warming? or do you deny that as well?


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Posted by Sean
a resident of Midtown
on Jul 13, 2012 at 2:37 pm

Denier,

Was the earth warming in 1922, when the Arctic melted away? Or are you denying the great meltdown back then?


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