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on Jun 7, 2012
Two Palo Alto online news stories today. Two shooting deaths. It's beyond discouraging the stranglehold the National Rifle Association has on our lawmakers. Even the slightest attempt to curb the Wild West availability of hand guns and/or assault rifles is met with no-holds-barred resistance.
The number of shooting deaths in this country is a disgrace. And the tired old line about "only outlaws will have guns" just doesn't work. Every day we read about persons killing their family members. If they had to get up close and stab them, the victims might have a chance to defend themselves or run away.
Guns are quite common in many places, and there is little to no crime. On the other hand, places with severe restrictions have terrible crime. Its not the gun, its the person who uses it to kill or harm another. I don't speak for anyone, but I am pro-gun rights, but very anti violence!
The issue as I see it is the cycle of poverty, hopelessness and a lack of love and family. Better schools and students motivated to learn and discover the wonders of the world mean less crime.
Consider this analogy: drugs are illegal. I mean, they are basically completely and totally illegal. Does that "curb availability?" No, it does not. It provides a very profitable and violent black market. They drugs come from other countries, and when they supress the flow from one, they come from another. If they don't come from outside the US, they are made right here in our backyard.
So, why would a murder, or some drug lord care if guns are illegal? He's still going to get it, or get someone to make it for him. He won't care how much it costs, because it will be worth it, and plenty of people will be willing to provide them and make a handsome profit. Meanwhile, law abiding citizens like you or me will have no way to protect themselves. Sure, I'll call the police first - of course. Defending yourself with a gun is an absolute last resort, and even then there will be hell to pay (look at George Zimmerman), but I'd still rather be prepared than at the complete mercy of civil unrest and continuing police cutbacks.
What some call "common sense gun control" has never been shown to work. Look at Chicago - guns were subject to the highest levels of control, but there are still 600 murders a year there.
Gun control has a surprising history embedded in racism and anti-immigrant sentiment. ,
Sylvia, I respect your opinion. I bet you are motivated by love for your fellow human beings as am I. You may just be surprised how many gun owners and NRA members abhor violence as much as you. The last thing we want is guns in the hands of criminals!
There is very little in common between these two deaths. One victim is a career criminal, the other a promising young high school student. One shooting is likely retaliation, the other probable mental illness.
Neither of the commenters following mine addressed what I said. That the easy availability of guns makes it easier for angry family members, spousal abusers, etc., to kill their "loved ones".
Of course I am aware that stricter gun laws would not really inhibit known criminals from getting them.
And, Ronnie, what statistics do you have to back up your claim in the first paragraph that there are places with lots of guns and no crime and places with gun restrictions that have lots? [By the way I appreciate your respectful stance toward my comment!]
In Switzerland people are required to high powered assault rifles and semi automatic hand guns in their homes.
The personal weapon of militia is kept at home as part of the military obligations.
All males a in the militia.
Switzerland has one of the highest militia gun ownership rates in the world.
Police statistics for the year 2006 records .Police statistics for the year 2006 records 34 killings or attempted killings involving firearms, compared to 69 cases involving bladed weapons and 16 cases of unarmed assault., compared to 69 cases involving bladed weapons and 16 cases of unarmed assault.
Switzerland has a population of 7.5 million with lots of high powered guns, even automatic assault rifles, in private homes
Yet only 34 killings or attempted killings involving firearms per year.
Maybe, Sharon had you tried to get all the facts:
"In October 2007, the Swiss Federal Council decided that the distribution of ammunition to soldiers shall stop and that all previously issued ammo shall be returned. By March 2011, more than 99% of the ammo has been received. Only special rapid deployment units and the military police still have ammunition stored at home today"
"The sale of ammunition – including Gw Pat.90 rounds for army-issue assault rifles – is subsidized by the Swiss government and made available at the many shooting ranges patronized by both private citizens and members of the militia. There is a regulatory requirement that ammunition sold at ranges must be used there."
Maybe the number you cite for killings is due to a lack of ammunition.
An idea to consider in the US.
svatoid - geez, Sharon is so sad with the way she pontificates as if she is informed, yet always with mistakes and fibs. But that was downright funny how you took her apart this time.
to lighten it up, Chris Rock's solution:
Guns can be cheap. Bullits are $5,000 apiece. "I'm gonna think twice before I decide to cap yo @**..."
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