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Will Romney and GOP continue Bush policies?

Original post made by D Palmetto, Atherton, on Apr 23, 2012

George Bush was the self-described "CEO president," and Mitt Romeny wants the same mantle.

While one doesn't see much daylight between Bush and Romney's policies, it appears the Republican National Committee makes it clear. From an interview on Spanish radio, the Fernando Espuelas Show, Alexandra Franceschi, Specialty Media Press Secretary of the Republican National Committee, was asked:

"ESPUELAS: Now, how different is that concept from what were the policies of the Bush administration? And the reason I ask that is because there's some analysis now that is being published talking about the Bush years being the slowest period of job creation since those statistics were created. Is this a different program or is this that program just updated?

FRANCESCHI: I think it's that program, just updated."

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Posted by Please
a resident of Greendell/Walnut Grove
on Apr 24, 2012 at 5:19 am

I had money, a job, and rising house and retirement values under Bush Admin. Unemployment was 5%. I disagreed hugely with the increased spending by the RINOs of the first decade, but their business/economic policies were spot on, even after 9/11 and the near-miss Depression that brought( saved by solid leadership from that one).

Please, give us back the Bush years,...minus the spending ( which was "unpatriotically" 1/2 trillion per year deficit then, but 3X that now is "good")


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Posted by D Doe
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Apr 24, 2012 at 10:09 am

'Please' - Selective data. You are either 'forgetful', hallucinating or a liar.

"I had money, a job, and rising house and retirement values under Bush Admin" Not in December 2008, you didn't. The stock market tanked in Bush's last year, and only recently recovered under Obama. If you had a house in December 2008 but have since lost it to foreclosure, sorry. Obama has been trying to get the GOP House to help you. The value of your home was already plummeting in January 2009.

"Unemployment was 5%." Bush left office with consecutive monthly job losses of 750,000 jobs lost per month. Bush has the worst job creation numbers in history. It took Obama policies a couple quarters to reverse the tide of massive Bush monthly job losses. We have now had 23 consecutive months of private sector job growth, creating several million jobs. Not enough, we need the GOP House to actually do what they promised in 2010 - help create jobs.

"which was "unpatriotically" 1/2 trillion per year deficit then, but 3X that now " Wrong.

Bush left Obama with the first trillion dollar deficit in history, and the worst economy in 80 years. Spending had to go up from Bush's trillion dollar deficit to spur recovery (see Bush job loss/Obama growth.)

All this after Bush was handed a SURPLUS by Bill Clinton

Recent US Federal Deficit Numbers Web Link
Bush Deficits
FY 2009: $1,413 billion
FY 2008: $459 billion
Obama Deficits
FY 2012: $1,327 billion
FY 2011: $1,300 billion
FY 2010: $1,293 billion

All this after Bush was handed a SURPLUS by Bill Clinton. Bush took a $120 billion SURPLUS and gave us the first trillion dollar deficit, along with job losses of millions a quarter.

Disgusting that Romney would even consider employ Bush advisers, let alone embrace Bush policies that led to this disaster.

Pathetic that fringe-right posters lie about the actual Bush disaster.

So sad.

Get back to calling Obama a Kenyan, Muslim, radical Christian, Socialist, Fascist father of two black babies in wedlock. That's what the fringies are good at, not numbers.

We need to get back to Clinton economics - balance the budget. Clinton spending levels, Clinton tax rates, Clinton job growth.

Start with the Buffett rule.

Yes, Mitt, that's you - paying 13.9% on $42 million in incomes.


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Posted by D Doe
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Apr 24, 2012 at 10:50 am

Let's look back at deficits and surplus for the past couple decades.

You decide how 'great' a job Bush did, taking surplus to deficit and whether you support more Bush trainwreck policies. Web Link

1992 -290,321
1993 -255,051 last GHW Bush budget
1994 -203,186
1995 -163,952
1996 -107,431
1997 -21,884
1998 69,270 surplus
1999 125,610 surplus
2000 236,241 surplus
2001 128,236 surplus last Clinton budget
2002 -157,758
2003 -377,585
2004 -412,727
2005 -318,346
2006 -248,181
2007 -160,701
2008 -458,553
2009 -1,412,688 last Bush budget, first trillion dollar deficit
2010 -1,293,489
2011 -1,299,595
2012 estimate -1,326,948
2013 estimate -901,408
2014 estimate -667,802
2015 estimate -609,713
2016 estimate -648,755
2017 estimate -612,448

Clinton spending, Clinton tax rates, Clinton job growth = SURPLUS

Until the GOP offers a REAL fiscal conservative as a candidate (ie.. one who really supports a balanced budget) we can't afford Romney.

Who was the last republican President to balance a budget?


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Posted by No more war
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Apr 27, 2012 at 11:04 pm

Like George W. Bush Romney wants to use our overblown military to attack Iran - he's even said so. Sorry but I can't vote for any Presidential candidate who has stated that he wants to go to war.

History has taught us that war never solved anything and it certainly won't in this case. Nuclear weapons will continue to proliferate to more and more countries around the world, just eliminating them in one country won't solve anything.


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Posted by Rodney
a resident of Palo Verde
on Apr 28, 2012 at 4:49 pm

"History has taught us that war never solved anything"

What nonsense! War created the USA. War freed the slaves. War defeated Hitler and the USSR. War liberated Iraq.

Drinking the kool aid of pacifism is very dangerous to people who want freedom and peace.


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Posted by D Doe
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Apr 29, 2012 at 10:41 am

Iraq cost the lives of 5,000 Americans. It cost taxpayers over a trillion dollars, far more than that when all the costs are added up, especially the cost of borrowing for a war while giving tax cuts.

The Iraq misadventure took the only natural counterweight to Iran off the table.

Iraq never attacked the US. There was no WMD.

Rodney - your statements were acceptable to most until you implied that the unprovoked attack and invasion was honorable.

The topic is Romney continuing Bush's disastrous policies, including the disaster of invasion and nation building.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Greater Miranda
on Apr 30, 2012 at 10:50 am

Rodney: DDoe and No More War are not able to see big picture, or connect dots. They focus in on a slice of time, without seeing what led up to that slice, and what that slice did or did not result in. They distort the truth (for example calling it "Bush deficit" for FY 2009 in the link above...That was a great one at illustrating the complete inability to see, let alone understand, what happened in 2009. And, of course, the usual canard about the Clinton "surplus" and "No WMD in Iraq".....hahahaha)!!

It is useless to try to teach them, all we can do is defeat them by voting their Party out of power by a huge margin, and replacing them NOT with RINOs/Neocons ( the "Compassionate Conservate label fooled me....I didn't understand it meant "bigger government, spend more, to buy votes, like the Dems have been doing for years), but Constitutional Conservatives.


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Posted by J Kelton
a resident of another community
on Apr 30, 2012 at 12:20 pm

Perspective gets his claims shot down by facts and resorts to a 'you just don't understand' type of counter!

Or actually "are not able to see big picture".

Pretty sad, but then he crosses a couple lines: a liar, and desecrating the memories of American soldiers.

Calling Clinton's multiple budget surplus's a 'canard' in the face of undisputable historical fact means Perspective just can't handle the truth. It doesn't fit into his warped political view.

Here's the desecration line...

Calling the lack of WMD "No WMD in Iraq" a canard and laughing at it

"....hahahaha)!!"

after sending 5,000 Americans to their deaths for the WMD lie is beyond despicable.

Anyone laughing at Americans murdered for the WMD lie needs to quietly, quickly go away. Quit posting Perspective, you're just insulting the memories of 5,000 brave Americans.

You are showing your true colors, but they are not the colors of a conservative. You give real Conservatives a very bad name.

Pretty sad.


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Posted by D Doe
a resident of Fairmeadow
on Apr 30, 2012 at 6:36 pm

"the usual canard about the Clinton "surplus" and "No WMD in Iraq".....hahahaha)!! "

I second the motion: "go away". Go away quietly and get your prescriptions reassessed.

I don't care if you won't believe historical fact, but to desecrate the memory of American soldiers dying, while searching in vain for the WMD they were lied to about, defies belief.

Please stop.


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Posted by J Kelton
a resident of another community
on May 1, 2012 at 2:21 pm

Back to the topic, after that sad episode of desecration by Perspective.

Here ya go, boys and girls, Romney flip flops again, this time sacrificing the nation's security to appease the homophobe wing of the far right fringe that is today's republican party. Romney carefully selects the best Bush man for the job, then fires him.

Wow, does this guy ever do anything right the first time? Or the second, for that matter?

"Richard Grenell, the openly gay spokesman recently hired to sharpen the foreign policy message of Mitt Romney's presidential campaign, has resigned in the wake of a full-court press by anti-gay conservatives. [...]

According to sources familiar with the situation, Grenell decided to resign after being kept under wraps during a time when national security issues, including the president's ad concerning Osama bin Laden, had emerged front and center in the campaign." Web Link

The appointee fired by Romney was one of many on his team that worked for George Bush.

No one has yet to identify any way in which Romney will be significantly different than Bush.


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Posted by Campbell
a resident of Palo Alto Orchards
on May 4, 2012 at 1:33 pm

So someone finally ran off Perspective after his desecrating the memory of American soldiers; one wonders what name he will post under now.

Back to topic. Romney is the Bush Policies revisited - tax cuts for millionaires and cronies, no foreign policy experience or the intellectual curiosity to even visit overseas. Hiring the bush boys - Bolton, hiring then firing Grendell, etc.

Lest we forget how bad the Bush days were, Obama inherited an economy that was LOSING 800,000 jobs a month from Bush and his polices.

The overall picture:

When President Obama took office, there were 110,985,000 workers in the private sector, and the number was dropping fast thanks to the Bush economic crisis—more than 800,000 jobs had been lost in the previous month alone. Today, there are 111,020,000 workers in the private sector. Not near enough growth, but recall Bush was losing 800,000 a month. It took a more than a year to finally stop the Bush job losses, since February, 2010 we've added 4,247,000 private sector jobs.

Compare Obama's record of 35,000 private sector jobs created despite inheriting the worst economy since the great depression with George W. Bush's private sector jobs record - he took office with 111,631,000 private sector jobs. 8 years later, it was down by 646,000.


Under Obama:

* Private sector jobs: Up by 35,000
* Public sector jobs: Down 608,000
* Stock market: Up by 64%

And under Bush:

* Private sector jobs: Down by 646,000
* Public sector jobs: Up by 1.7 million
* Stock market: Down 24%

Who's the Capitalist now?

No more Bush failures, America can not afford to go back to the Bush disaster by having Romney repeat the Bush policies, with the same Bush cronies.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 12, 2012 at 10:05 am

Perspective is a registered user.

Keep trying to obfuscate with ..whatever. I despise any politics/policies which worsens peoples' lives, destroying their dignity and independence. Period.

More to follow.


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Posted by D Doe
a resident of Fairmeadow
on May 12, 2012 at 10:15 am

Perspective calls Campbell's posting of facts 'obfuscation'.

"I despise any politics/policies which worsens peoples' lives, destroying their dignity and independence." Then he must have HATED Bush - look at Campbell's posting of facts:

"Under Obama:

* Private sector jobs: Up by 35,000

* Public sector jobs: Down 608,000

* Stock market: Up by 64%

And under Bush:

* Private sector jobs: Down by 646,000

* Public sector jobs: Up by 1.7 million

* Stock market: Down 24%"

26 consecutive months of private sector job growth. Bush's last 6 months cost Americans 3 million jobs.

Etch-A-Sketch has admitted he will repeat Bush policies; many of his advisers are Bushies.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 12, 2012 at 10:18 am

Perspective is a registered user.

The fastest rise in food stamp spending: another historic first
Web Link
Next, more facts.

Most federal spending, ever
Web Link

Most enslavement of our children to national debt. By CBS, again, not at all "right wing".
Web Link

Of course, amazingly enough, all this is projected to "get better" in these unbiased news sources, starting in 2013, if we re-elect Obama.

I submit nothing improves until we get rid of him and all Democrat control, reverse the hugely damaging effects of the Community Reinvestment Act perverted by Dodd and Frank and still in place; overturn the centralization of banking power done in "financial reform" by Obama/Dems; tear down the EPA blocks on coal, oil, builders, pipelines; take down the attack dogs of NLRB on private businesses and their decisions; overturn Obamacare; get rid of the now yearly 800 billion in "stimulus" funds that do nothing; and reverse the relentlessly constant attacks and threats on "the rich", scaring away investors..to list a few things.

THEN we can make real "forward progress"


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 12, 2012 at 10:28 am

Perspective is a registered user.

Somehow I deleted the first 3 points in my first posting. Here they are

Record number not in labor force (affects the "unemployment rate")
Web Link

Women hit hardest
Web Link

Longest unemployment above 8% since Depression
Web Link


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 12, 2012 at 10:36 am

Perspective is a registered user.

More

Deepest and longest housing recession in "decades"..
Web Link

Well known, no need for citations; minorities hit the hardest by all economic downturns..and this one has been the longest and hardest since Carter's Admin.

The pity is that with sound business leadership, we would have long been roaring back to life by now. So much needless suffering.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 12, 2012 at 10:45 am

Perspective is a registered user.

As an aside;

Jkelton, Ddoe and Campbell: Good try to claim that I was desecrating the memory of soldiers who died in Iraq when I laughed at the assertion that there were no WMD in Iraq. The desecration comes from those who think they died in vain, "looking for" WMD that "wasn't there". The sheer ignorance of such statements makes me laugh, to keep me from crying.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 12, 2012 at 10:53 am

Perspective is a registered user.

Found one of the links I had lost. Very nice graphics of the last 12 years to put it all in perspective (one of my favorite words...:))

Web Link

Surprising to me was that labor market participation rate had already begun its decline, though still true that it made a dramatic dive in the last few years to be the lowest since 1981.


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Posted by That User Name is already
a resident of another community
on May 12, 2012 at 11:01 am

That User Name is already is a registered user.

Well, look 'what the cat drug in....'

Perspective comes back two week after desecrating American soldiers, and he shows up in the very same thread!

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Right after a post about 5,000 Americans losing their lives searching for WMD: "Iraq cost the lives of 5,000 Americans.... Iraq never attacked the US. There was no WMD."

Perspective wrote: "And, of course, the usual canard ... "No WMD in Iraq".....hahahaha)!! "
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You be the judge, see: "Posted by Perspective, on Apr 30, 2012 at 10:50 am". Obviously, 5,000 American lives are just a laughing matter to Perspective.

Disgraceful.

Now Perspective shows back up to the thread about Romney promising to repeat Bush policies and says nothing about the topic, just repeating noise about how the effects of Bush's disastrous recession are Obama's fault.


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Posted by That User Name is already
a resident of another community
on May 12, 2012 at 11:07 am

That User Name is already is a registered user.

Perspectives VERY OWN LINK shows the whole story of the Bush policies that Romney seeks to continue!

Web Link

All the job losses under BUSH, Obama starts the climb out of the job losses, once the Stimulus takes effect, a steady climb to positive job growth.

Perspective also points to another chart that shows it all: Web Link

Thanks, Perspective, for highlighting the charts of the year.

Just quit laughing about Americans killed in action while searching for phantom WMD.


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Posted by Perspective
a resident of Midtown
on May 12, 2012 at 11:36 am

Perspective is a registered user.

TUNIA: You graduated with an A from Obama's class on Alinskys Rules for Radicals, I see. Congratulations!

You would have gotten a A+, but you forgot rule #7

NOW I am done with this thread, have fun with the last word.


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