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BCS rankings a bunch of BS?

Original post made on Nov 22, 2011

==B Stanford football notebook ==

For weeks, David Shaw has avoided discussions about the BCS rankings. But as the regular season draws to a close, he finally let out his frustration about a "flawed" system.


Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 8:35 PM

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Posted by Keith Weekley
a resident of another community
on Nov 22, 2011 at 9:06 pm

Hey Coach Shaw... you want a little cheese with that whine? You lost and you lost late. That is the kiss of death for your ranking, and you may lose again. Next time, prepare your team a little better and win out. Then you can be atop the BCS poll and won't have to whine.

Yes, the BCS is flawed. You are correct, but until your president votes with many other university presidents and we get a true playoff, we will have to put up with a flawed system. But, I have a better suggestion. Join the SEC and finish 8-4 or 7-5 and go to a "ho-hum" bowl. Until then, whine all you want. It's a free country.

Keith Weekley


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Posted by SEC
a resident of Stanford
on Nov 23, 2011 at 8:31 am

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Posted by Anon
a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood
on Nov 23, 2011 at 3:44 pm

Stanford has a great team this year, but, so do a few other schools. Stanford has possibly the best balanced offense in the country, but, the loss to Oregon did expose some weaknesses in the defense. Since bowl game fans love offense, I would think Stanford should get a good offer. Sorry, Coach Shaw, but, I don't think Stanford, Oregon, or any other Pac-12 team has the defense to match LSU or Alabama.


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Posted by John
a resident of College Terrace
on Nov 23, 2011 at 8:20 pm

Kieth - your argument about Stanford being penalized for losing late in the year doesn't make any sense, Oklahoma St. lost even later and to an absolutely terrible team. Stanford's one loss is to a top 10 team. If you actually read the article, Shaw's main complaint is that the computers are favoring Virginia Tech and Okie State over Stanford. I agree with Shaw, it's an absolute joke that the ACC is favored above the PAC 12 in the computers. In reality, the PAC 12 is just below the SEC, and above every other conference.
Speaking of Virginia Tech being ranked above Stanford, am I the only that remembers how much destruction Stanford laid on Virginia Tech last year? I think its pretty clear the ACC is inferior to the PAC 12


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Posted by Reality Check
a resident of Midtown
on Nov 26, 2011 at 12:05 am

Here's some advice for you, Coach:
When you're not even the best team in your own league - having had your butt handed to you by Oregon - you should drop the whining about computers and other teams.
Face it: You had your chance and you BLEW IT.


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Posted by Randal Kelly
a resident of Barron Park
on Nov 26, 2011 at 7:04 pm

I keep hearing how Stanford or some other one loss team should
be ranked higher. I don't know why a team like Stanford or Boise State
don't change a team on their schedule. Oregon played LSU and lost, but
If they had won they would have had a place in the rankings that couldn't
have been argued about. Oregon lost, and it hurt them in the rankings all
year, but they took a shot. Oregon beat Stanford because they are a better
team, and one loss to LSU dose not change that fact. If the only thing that
mattered was wins and losses why shouldn't everyone have a schedule like
Boise state and Stanford, and then we could all say how we should be number
one. I wish Stanford would get put in a bowl game whimsy LSU or Alabama,
because they would have to shut up after the game. I remember two years ago
TCU was talking about how they won all the games in the regular season, and
they played Florida in a bowl game. Florida destroyed them, and Alabama beat
Texas for the national championship. So play someone legit and prove it like Oregon
did.


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Posted by Susan
a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on Nov 28, 2011 at 2:50 am

I agree that either Stanford should be ranked above Okla.State. But both Stanford and Okla. State should be above Alabama. Here is why. People talk about Alabama's strength of schedule. That is just not an issue this year. Of the 12 teams Alabama played 7 did NOT even have winning records. They played some really inferior schools this season like North Texas State, Georgia Southern and Kent State. They only played 4 ranked teams unlike LSU who has played 7 already this season.With the schedule Alabama has, they should be ranked well below Stanford, Okla. St. and Okla. certainly not #2. They do not deserve to play for the National Championship. I would love to see LSU play a one loss school who has at least won their conference and a school they have not already played and beaten. Hopefully the BCS will see it this way too in two weeks and it will be Stanford vs LSU
in New Orleans.


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Posted by BamaSC
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 3:26 am

SEC-Don't tie the SEC into Child molestation, the Pac 10 is far from clean, just look at USC. Really??? The BCS is supposed to match the 2 best teams in the country to play for the National Championship and again this year it will happen. You can't sit there and say Stanford is better the Alabama, hell LSU won't be able to say it after Jan.9th. Roll Tide!!!


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Posted by Gary Sacco
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 4:17 am

I am a Michigan fan, first and foremost. I love seeing all Michigan men do well,too. I also like the fact that Les Miles(LSU coach/Michigan man), and Jim Harbaugh(former Stanford coach/Michigan man)have both done well in college and pro ball recently. Speaking of recently,in 2007 the BCS didn't allow a rematch between then 1 and 2 Michigan and Ohio State because Florida thought they deserved the shot to play for the title. You have the same scenario here,both teams (Michigan and Alabama)both lost their respective games by a whopping 3 points!! Michigan lost 42-39 and played on the road, while 'Bama got beat on their own field 9-6. That recent LSU/Bama game was as boring as watching paint dry,if I may say so.If the BCS allows the SEC to do this BS once again, they should be stripped of the authority they have over this by the NCAAA. The bottom line is simple, stop all this BS and politics with college football and design a playoff system. This system is to biased and lacks diversification!

The playoff is simple: Take the top 8 teams. From there you have them play by regions of the country. The Citrus Bowl for the east, the Sugar Bowl for the south,Cotton Bowl for the Heartland/Sun Belt areas, and lastly the Fiesta Bowl for the west. From there you will have 4 teams left. Use the Orange Bowl and Rose Bowl to decide the winners of the 4 teams left to decide the last 2 teams standing. After that, have your National Championship game.
The rest of these teams (after the top 8) can all play in the rest of the remaining Bowl games. At least you will have a system that lets it get done on the field. This system I believe gives at least other teams a fair chance.


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Posted by boring
a resident of Green Acres
on Nov 28, 2011 at 5:11 am

LSU BEAT BAMA DONT SCHEDULE ANOTHER MEETING ,LET LSU PLAY SOME ONE ELSE,ANY ONE!!!!!


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Posted by scotty
a resident of Green Acres
on Nov 28, 2011 at 6:38 am

bama didnt even win there conference let alone stanford, so oklahoma st still is playing to win thier conference so if they do they should be playing for the title and nobody else should be complaining


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Posted by SEC ANNA
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 6:50 am

What a whiner! And Stanford runs a "clean" program? Sure it is: ethnically clean: lowest minority ratio on the West Coast. And, you can whine all you want: your University President, like all of the other PAC and Big 10 Presidents, will continue to vote against a playoff system because
1. the selection system to pick who plays will still be BCS-flawed;
2. final results will end up with 4 SEC teams, 4 Big 12 teams in the top 10, will MAYBE one from the PAC.
Go back to Kindergarten: maybe they'll care!


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Posted by Roll Tide
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 6:57 am

Personally, I would like to see Stanford and Alabama match up, and so would a lot of other people, right?

I'd also like to see Boise State face someone ranked above them in their bowl game, maybe Virginia Tech? That, or a rematch with Georgia would be intriguing. Or if I'm honest, I'd like to see them play Alabama too.

I'd LOVE to see Oklahoma State vs LSU or Stanford vs LSU.

The only way we are going to see great games like these is with a playoff system. Instead, I have to watch my team get a rematch and beat LSU for the title. I guess things could be worse.


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Posted by SEC
a resident of Stanford
on Nov 28, 2011 at 7:03 am

Seems that SEC anna is a bit perturbed. Notice the typical venom that comes from anyone that feels the need to defend the SEC to the death--yo Anna, the confederacy fell 150 years ago.

"Sure it is: ethnically clean: lowest minority ratio on the West Coast."
Please provide some proof for that claim. What about Asians/Asian-americans, where do they come in, since Stanford has a very high percentage of Asians/Asian-americans.

Teams in the SEC are constantly being investigated and/or on probation. If the NCAA was serious the SEC would be shut down given the corruption, payoffs, uncontrolled alumni etc.
The SEC is a disgrace to college sports.


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Posted by Zorro
a resident of Community Center
on Nov 28, 2011 at 7:21 am

Stanford has been over rated all season. 17 straight wins since oregon spanked you last season. Big wins over San Diego State and San Bruno community college. Talk about strength of schedule...You got hammered by the first top 10 that came along. And yes the BCS is bogus. Luck will be a good NFL QB but Stanford high ranking is mostly because on him. I hope you get a top 10 bowl matchup. I love watching you get spanked.


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Posted by SEC ANNA
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 7:30 am

Strange that the commenter who's named herself SEC is so anti-SEC: I wonder why she's afraid to use her own name???
Compared to the historic problems of the PAC, the SEC is squeaky clean: just read history.
Proof of racial bias on the West Coast: look at the roster of Stanford compared to LSU, Alabama, Arkansas...any SEC team. Further- more, look at the graduation rate of the same teams.
If you want to argue the BCS is flawed, I won't argue, but it's the best thing available. And notice Oregon isn't whining for a rematch with LSU, or even asking to play Alabama: they know the PAC is second-rate.


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Posted by SEC
a resident of Stanford
on Nov 28, 2011 at 8:00 am

"Proof of racial bias on the West Coast: look at the roster of Stanford compared to LSU, Alabama, Arkansas...any SEC team. "
And SEC Anna what is the proof of racial bias?? Please provide numbers and facts.

Okay you want to look at graduation rates:

Web Link
Stanford football 89%

Web Link
LSU football 60%

Web Link
Arkansas football 52%

Web Link
alabama 67%

the numbers are equally disappointing for SEC teams in other sports as well, SEC Anna.
You can check out the numbers at this site:
Web Link

But I would like to see your data for your claims of racial bias at Stanford. Right now, you are just lashing out at a well run program because you know that the SEC is rotten to the core


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Posted by Brooks Vanderveen
a resident of Palo Alto Hills
on Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 am

I am an Oregon fan and I don't quite understand this "HUGE" discrepancy between the SEC and the Pac-10. I remember going to a National Championship game against the best the SEC had to offer and the game was won with a last second field goal. Someone has to win. All that game showed me was that the best in the Pac-10 was essentially equal to the best in the SEC. I certainly saw no SEC domination, even though the wet, muddy field favored Auburn. Why do you think Stanford tried to use it against Oregon?


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Posted by ELLESSUE TIGAHS
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 8:23 am

Dear Roll Tide;

You can keep telling yourself you will be the better team, but in the back of your mind, you will always know. The Tigers came to your house and beat you. So this BS BCS championship will mean nothing, hell, you couldn't even win your way to the SEC Championship.

BOO HOO, we lost but we still want to get a trophy!

GEAUX TIGERS!!!!


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Posted by ELLESSUE TIGAHS
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 8:27 am

OREGON FAN:

See if this helps you understand the HUGE Difference:

Sept 3rd
Texas Stadium
40 to 27


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Posted by kam
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 8:56 am

arkansas is the best team. and sec is best conference period!!! way tooo much talent in


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Posted by Owen West
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 9:12 am

I feel Shaw's pain but Oregon is probably wondering why they are ranking below Stanford! The rankings are necessarily flawed unless everyone plays the same teams. PLAYOFF!


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Posted by SEC
a resident of Stanford
on Nov 28, 2011 at 9:39 am

"arkansas is the best team. and sec is best conference period!!! way tooo much talent in"

Arkansas is not going to the BCS this year

"I feel Shaw's pain but Oregon is probably wondering why they are ranking below Stanford! "
Oregon has two losses, Stanford only one. That is why Stanford is ranked higher.


SEC- Anna--found those links for racial bias in Stanford athletics yet??


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Posted by Joey
a resident of Barron Park
on Nov 28, 2011 at 10:04 am

This BCS is a bunch of BS.... Houston is 12-0 for petes sake...what happened to records of WIN / LOSE ... All my life if you win you move on...period!!!!!! Stop with all the BS of picking teams to help win over student athletes...


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Posted by jrb169
a resident of Hoover School
on Nov 28, 2011 at 10:05 am

Hi there play some sec schools and see how good your Stanford team is.


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Posted by hello
a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Nov 28, 2011 at 10:22 am

Yeah, just released and relieved a bunch of bs


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Posted by Daniel
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 10:28 am

I'd love to see Alabama vs Stanford and Alabama vs Oklahoma St. Maybe then people will stop crying about the other 2 being number 2 instead.


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Posted by win
a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Nov 28, 2011 at 10:33 am

he had released more than other two.


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Posted by Overrated
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 11:36 am

Stanford is good this year. The BCS is terribly flawed. The SEC is overrated and has been for several years. USC goes undefeated and doesnt play for the national championship.. Thats CRAZY. I watched closely that year, USC would have beat Florida and Im not sure it would have been close. Look what happens when the Pac 12(10) teams play the SEC.. Oregon lost, but USC put down an epic beat down on Arkansas. The top three teams in the SEC are good, no argument. But the argument that going through the SEC is soooo much harder than other conferences.. B.S. The bottom half of the SEC is not good. The top three teams in the PAC 12, Big 12 and Big 10 are all good to. Nobody wants to speak up and challenge the SEC bias. Fact of the matter is, is most SEC teams schedule crap teams for a reason. Sorry southerners. But the rest of the country knows something you cant seem to figure out.


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Posted by win
a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Nov 28, 2011 at 11:46 am

Wonder if the bs is getting harder than before when it went through the sec.


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Posted by FranklinB12
a resident of College Terrace
on Nov 28, 2011 at 11:54 am

Okla St. Lost on the road, on a Friday night, the day after 2 coaches were killed in a plane crash. The game should not even have been played under sych circumstance, and they still got to double overtime. Also, several of the teams they beat were ranked, and the reason they are not ranked lower now is that they did beat them, most likely along with OU. saying this one game makes Stanford the better team is ridiculous.


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Posted by win
a resident of St. Claire Gardens
on Nov 28, 2011 at 11:58 am

Do not worry, dead is dead, but the bs can get softened by getting some loses in a rainy day.


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Posted by chris
a resident of Evergreen Park
on Nov 28, 2011 at 12:32 pm

OK...THE SEC IS THE BEST CONFERENCE IN FOOTBALL RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK...THEY HAVE THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE CHAMPIONSHIPS TO PROVE IT...YES THE BCS IS FLAWED...YES THEY DO NEED A PLAYOFF SYSTEM....I WOULD LOVE 2 SEE TEAMS THAT WOULDN'T PLAY EACH OTHER COMPETE AND SETTLE THE SCORE...AND SEE WHO REALLY HAS THE BEST CONFERENCE IN FOOTBALL...I'M FROM LOUISIANA AND I DON'T EVEN WANT 2 SEE A REMATCH BETWEEN LSU AND BAMA...BAMA HAD THEY CHANCE AT HOME AND BLEW IT...AND NOW YOU DONT EVEN PLAY IN YOUR OWN CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME AND U MIGHT STILL END UP IN THE BCS TITLE GAME...AS FAR AS THE PAC-12 GOES U GUYS ONLY HAVE 3 GOOD TEAMS USC, OREGON,AND STANFORD...AND THE PAC-12 IS STILL BEHIND THE BIG-12, AND BIG TEN..AND MAYBE IN A TIE WITH THE ACC THATS JUST HOW I SEE IT...AT LEAST OREGON TOOK A CHANCE ON PLAYING THE BEST CONFERENCE...AS FAR AS STANFORD THEY DIDN'T HAVE A TOUGH GAME....I THINK THEY KNEW WHAT KIND OF YEAR ANDREW LUCK WAS GOING 2 HAVE...SO THEY DIDN'T WANNA PLAY AN SEC SCHOOL...SO KNOW THERE ARGUMENT IS THAT HE IS STILL THE BEST 1 LOSS HEISMAN CANDIDATE...OVER TRENT RICHARDSON...OR TYRONNE MATHIEU...HE IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE PAC-12 MAYBE NOT (LEMICHAEL JAMES).....BUT UNTIL YOU GUYS IN THAT WEAK CONFERENCE PUT SOME SEC TEAMS ON YOUR SCHEDULE...QUIT YOUR CRYING....AND ON THAT NOTE....WHO DATTTT!!!! AND GEAUX TIGERS....


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Posted by Overrated
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 3:45 pm

Thank you Chris for making the argument about SEC fans easier. The SEC has national championships. But did they really. Who beat USC in 2004? Nobody. You state the Pac 12 is behind the Big 10 and Big 12.. Now thats just stupid. Im not putting down those conferences, they have some extremely good teams. But the PAC 12 is just a bit better than those conferences over the past decade. You state the PAC 12 only has three good teams. They have three excellent teams this year, a few good teams and then it falls off. Sounds familiar? Same as the SEC. Take the blinders off. Rumor out west is LSU turned down a home and home with USC using traveling costs as an excuse. And I actually think this current LSU squad wouldnt have much problem with this current USC squad. Now over the past 10 years, LSU would get spanked.


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Posted by DuckLuv13
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 5:48 pm

As for the SEC, I cannot help but laugh every time some idiot posts on here about their love for the conference. They don't root for a school, they are fans of a conference. The Pac-10/12 is different. USC, OSU, UCLA,etc. are the enemy. We don't ride bandwagons. We aree fans because we live here, go to school here. Every single article I read has some jergoff boasting about the SEC. These arm-chair QB's that never played a down of football in their lives.I bleed green and gold wether we are putting a hurting on Andrew Luck or getting our butts kicked at Autzen, and have been for 24 years back when I played in Eugene. Remember SEC fans, if you didn't grow up in Louisianna, go to school their, or never even been there on vacation, don't ever use the word "we" when speaking about the team.


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Posted by Mr. X
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 6:59 pm

I love how you guys from STANFORD are complaining about computer rankings. Is this a joke? You think Tuscaloosa is a big bastion of programming? Stanford should probably be above Virginia Tech.... and maybe Luck should get a Heisman....As far as rankings... if you guys were so smart, you'd find a way to sneak some bug into the computer rankings that gave bonus points for a star QB and diminished the effects of a halfway decent defense ;)

But put all this SEC debate and stuff aside. Alabama is hands down a better team than Stanford. No one in the country who actually watches football (as opposed to reading the papers and getting riled up) would tell you otherwise. Ideally there would be no rematch, but that's still preferable to seeing Stanford get beaten 52-6 by LSU, which they would.

The BCS is not perfect.... but this year no team has the right to complain, except Houston. Every other legitimate team controlled their own destiny and would be in the championship game if they had won all their games, Stanford included. No complaining in football. Just win.


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Posted by sanc
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 7:39 pm

HAS ANYONE EVER CONSIDERED THE BIG 12 SCHEDULE. WHO BEATS BIG 12 TEAMS? OTHER BIG 12 TEAMS. NOT OTHER CONFERENCES.


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Posted by Sterling
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2011 at 9:57 pm

I am a resident of Lousiana and a LSU fan. I hate Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Georgia, but I respect those teams. After the season't over and we have a championship game I generally pull for the SEC team. That's what we do. LSU is #1. We dominated everybody we played including Oregon and yet we get no respect. I'm sorry Mr. Luck would catch a bad one if given the opportunity to play LSU. I hoped for Stanford to go undefeated so I can see what would happen. But, Mr. Luck could not close the deal. Personally, I think we should just get the trophy now,because we have beaten all comers handily. Sorry about your damn luck!


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Posted by welcometotheswamp
a resident of another community
on Nov 29, 2011 at 12:57 am

it's funny how everyone bashes the SEC when the facts are with the exception of last year, every championship game played against pac-10, big 10, and big 12, the SEC has dominated, much to the dismay of the previously mentioned conference fans who swore how "their team" would lay waste to the SEC. And before Duckluv13 gets upset, I'm a Florida fan, but come the title game I like many fellow fans will root for the SEC, rather then against.


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Posted by Overrated
a resident of another community
on Dec 3, 2011 at 7:49 pm

Ok.. Im going to say what everybody out west knows... SEC finds are not the brightest bunch. In fact, most of the time, they are down right stupid. Sorry.. Just read some of the logic that is being posted. Im guessing none of them actually graduated from an SEC school.


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