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on Nov 21, 2011
I hope that they have electric buses to run to CA Trains and a carpool policy, bike-friendly access, etc. I would hate to see Arastradero Road turned into a super highway to help this cloud-savvy company staff ingress and egress. The ecology of the community should not go up into the clouds.
And what demands will be made for housing, increased traffic, etc., or is Palo Alto's extortion limited solely to Stanford University?
The Stanford Research Park is already zoned for office buildings. Is the new company going to have substantially more employees than old company had at its peak?
Stanford Park is still Stanford property, right? How much is the landlord responsible for infrastructure costs vs. the tenant?
I wonder how much of this is being diverted from the shareholders?
I agree with Etaoin Shrdlu. It seems that only Stanford is subjected to the extortion attempts by the city of Palo Alto--demands for no new net car trips and housing for employees is only made of Stanford.
If traffic and housing is really a concern for the city then we should tell VMWare to move elsewhere.
Am also shocked that the ARB actually liked the project--usually they nitpick projects death with petty concerns and personal agendas.
It is great to see VMware is utilizing the former Roche campus. Traffic on Arastradero Rd should be factored into this project. The main route to this campus is off Hwy 280 and Page Mill Rd. The stretch of Arastrdero Rd between Hwy 280/Page Mill to the VMware campus is narrow, poorly maintained (County Rds, Los Altos Hills, and Palo Alto all have responsibility for this stretch), and is overly travelled by a mulitude of users (cars, trucks, bikes, equestrians, pedestrians, etc.). Something needs to change before there is a horrific collision.
Potential impacts of the VMWare project were considered in planning for the Charleston/Arastradero project. The VMWare campus is already largely occupied.
Aforementioned comments about Stanford are ill informed. Stanford OWNS and leases the land these buildings sit on. Stanford quietly traded for the development rights that allow VMWare to build at this level of density as part of Stanford's Mayfield agreement with the city.
Stanford is really good at PR and they love to create the impression that they are being victimized by the city. Do your homework. Stanford is making out like a bandit on the Mayfield agreement...and so is VMWare.
I used to work in that complex when it was Syntex, which was sold to Roche which sold it to VMware. It is on Stanford land bordering Los Altos Hills. Traffic leaves H280, goes down Page Mill then turns right onto Deer Creek Road, the County section of Arastradero Road will not need widening.
Typical PA people panicking about "too much traffic!!"
The people who complain about "too much traffic" in these forums are mostly employees of the Stanford PR machine.
"The people who complain about "too much traffic" in these forums are mostly employees of the Stanford PR machine."
Yoriko and the other neighborhood leaders who have been complaining about traffic problems are employees of the Stanford PR machine????? I guess the only place were traffic is really a problem is in your neighborhood, Too much traffic. Time for more traffic calming in College Terrace, it has been a week or two.
The point I want to make is 1 floor of commercial space creates demand for 10-12 floors of residential space, this is often underestimated and the housing never gets build. This results in a chronic shortage of housing.
Housing should be added on top of steel framed buildings, so they exceed 17 stories, because then, the incremental cost of adding 1 floor of apartments starts going down.
We need a state law that forces every city to be balanced and that forces every city to house its workers and students (number of housing units > (4 * number of jobs) + number of university students), the law should not allow any University or college to expand without supplying the additional housing required by the expansion. Cities with housing deficits should not be allowed to have height limits on residential apartment buildings.
The following shows that high-rise steel framed building represent an economic solution for housing people:
construction crew in the south-central Chinese city of Changsha has completed a 15-story hotel in just 6 days (Web Link)
The following shows the devastation of chronic housing deficits on low income workers:
26% of (US) renters are paying more than half their pre-tax income for housing (rent plus utilities). This is the highest in over 50 years. (Web Link)
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Actually traffic on Arastradero IS horrific in the afternoon. This is because the alternate route to 280 (Coyote Hill to Page Mill ... or Deer Creek? ... the one without a traffic light) requires a highly dangerous left-hand turn onto Page Mill. The one WITH a light is not connected directly to campus and requires traveling on Arastradero.
At the non-light Page Mill intersection, traffic roars by from both directions and the visibility of oncoming traffic from the left is obscured by hillside. You start to nose out, and find yourself blown back by a car traveling 60 MPH toward Palo Alto. They are going to have to do something about traffic.
Keep in mind, too, that VMware uses CUBICLES to pack thousands of workers into a very small space. I doubt that Roche had a concentration of employees anywhere near what VMware currently has, much less what it will have in the future.
Based on the report, I'm a little confused about how much floor area is being added and how many estimated jobs are being added compared to now. Does anyone know how many people work there now, how many worked there back in the Syntex/Roche days, and how many will work there after the project is completed?
Those of us who have to commute to Palo Alto from the east bay have NO mass transit options and little car pool options. Access to the far side of Palo Alto from 101 is misery. Suggest an 8 lane freeway through "professorville". Or improved train service from Fremont Bart.
Liz, another option besides an "8 lane freeway through "professorville" would be for you to work in the east bay where you live.
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